Brown vs Brayton

[bleys]

having multiple players who have different strengths and even one who can play multiple positions is a positive as long as they are used correctly. There will be gambles made though and Meeks will use what some people feel is "obvious" to them about a particular players skill set to his advantage (hopefully). This mix adds another element to keep folks guessing.

We just have to win more gambles than we lose.

very true...

I really hope to see CJ blow up this year.. The guy has a motor and has fire... I fully expect Brown to take a year to get adapted and having someone in front of him gives him both time to mature and a push to stay competitive..

Not sure how Taylor will do, I guess that's why most people aren't talking about him.. We'll have to see how he does, he may be a player that takes another year to adapt... Would be great if not, but we'll see..

Brayton is a guy who I don't feel we've seen his full potential. He'll have another year at the same position which hasn't been a consistency in his career due to being moved around (plus, it's oaklank)... He's quick and athletic, so I would hope to see he has become more effective at getting by the O-Line.. He's someone I don't think we can form a solid opinion on until we see how he does this year...

[frash.exe]

Brayton could be used as a pass rush DT while we put Brown in his DE spot for a play.

..but I don't feature Brayton as a run stopping DT. for those plays, we can stick with our bigger guys.

[Snake]

Brown will have to earn his spot and if he cracks the starting line up then he has done very well. The Panthers will give him plenty of time to learn and Brayton did very well last year. If anyone knocks him off It will be Johnson.

[Metal_Sparty]

Brown will have to earn his spot and if he cracks the starting line up then he has done very well. The Panthers will give him plenty of time to learn and Brayton did very well last year. If anyone knocks him off I will be Johnson.

Can I be Peppers?

[panthers55]

People who think Brayton didn't play well last year obviously don't know what kind of scheme we ran or how valuable he actually was. Our line scheme was skewed heavily to the right side to generate pressure from Lewis and Peppers. They were all in a one gap alignment playing the 3 and 5 techniques which allows for less double teams and to more easily shoot the gap. Kemo played primarily over the center occupying a double team with the guard and clogging the middle. He wasn't supposed to get pressure but take up space. Brayton was positioned usually over the tackle and had both outside run containment and in the event they ran to his side would have to fend off double teams or try and pressure the quarterback. He was in a more read and react alignment since he had 2 gaps to control rather than Lewis and Peppers who had largely one. So to expect him to get a ton of sacks is unrealistic.

When Kemo went out then Brayton would move inside and Johnson would come into the DE spot. They moved to a one gap defense lining up in the 3 and 5 techniques like on the other side. The reason Johnson had 6 sacks was because he only had to control one gap and it freed him up to attack the quarterback. Brayton could do the same but he was still subject to double teams from the center and guard.

Should Brayton move inside to the DT spot? Hard to say if he is better than Lewis and he will likely continue to come in for Kemo on passing downs.

Should Johnson be the fulltime left DE? Depends on what scheme they are running. He would ineffective against the run if he were doubled like Brayton was but if they went to a 1 gap penetrating style across the board he could be effective.

But the question should be why is everyone high on Lewis when he had a good number of tackle but only 3.5 sacks in a scheme designed to help him get pressure. He had 3.5 sacks the year before in a part time role. In this scheme he was supposed to get at least 6 or 7. Seems if I were going to replace a DT it would be Lewis. Plus at this point he is still rehabbing an injury.

And releasing Brayton makes little sense unless you get cap relief in the bargain and I don't think we do. If Meeks wants to run a completely different scheme then it might make sense but the question people should be asking is why get rid of a guy who was one of our best run defenders at the expense of someone like Taylor who is a situational player at best and a real liability in the run.

Glad I don't have to make those decisions.

[MadHatter]

People who think Brayton didn't play well last year obviously don't know what kind of scheme we ran or how valuable he actually was. Our line scheme was skewed heavily to the right side to generate pressure from Lewis and Peppers. They were all in a one gap alignment playing the 3 and 5 techniques which allows for less double teams and to more easily shoot the gap. Kemo played primarily over the center occupying a double team with the guard and clogging the middle. He wasn't supposed to get pressure but take up space. Brayton was positioned usually over the tackle and had both outside run containment and in the event they ran to his side would have to fend off double teams or try and pressure the quarterback. He was in a more read and react alignment since he had 2 gaps to control rather than Lewis and Peppers who had largely one. So to expect him to get a ton of sacks is unrealistic.

When Kemo went out then Brayton would move inside and Johnson would come into the DE spot. They moved to a one gap defense lining up in the 3 and 5 techniques like on the other side. The reason Johnson had 6 sacks was because he only had to control one gap and it freed him up to attack the quarterback. Brayton could do the same but he was still subject to double teams from the center and guard.

Should Brayton move inside to the DT spot? Hard to say if he is better than Lewis and he will likely continue to come in for Kemo on passing downs.

Should Johnson be the fulltime left DE? Depends on what scheme they are running. He would ineffective against the run if he were doubled like Brayton was but if they went to a 1 gap penetrating style across the board he could be effective.

But the question should be why is everyone high on Lewis when he had a good number of tackle but only 3.5 sacks in a scheme designed to help him get pressure. He had 3.5 sacks the year before in a part time role. In this scheme he was supposed to get at least 6 or 7. Seems if I were going to replace a DT it would be Lewis. Plus at this point he is still rehabbing an injury.

Excellent post

[PantherPride8952]

I think Tyler Brayton will be starting opposite Julius Peppers in week 1 against the Eagles but by the end of the season I could see Everette Brown starting but he will have to earn it for sure.

[scpanther22]

People who think Brayton didn't play well last year obviously don't know what kind of scheme we ran or how valuable he actually was. Our line scheme was skewed heavily to the right side to generate pressure from Lewis and Peppers. They were all in a one gap alignment playing the 3 and 5 techniques which allows for less double teams and to more easily shoot the gap. Kemo played primarily over the center occupying a double team with the guard and clogging the middle. He wasn't supposed to get pressure but take up space. Brayton was positioned usually over the tackle and had both outside run containment and in the event they ran to his side would have to fend off double teams or try and pressure the quarterback. He was in a more read and react alignment since he had 2 gaps to control rather than Lewis and Peppers who had largely one. So to expect him to get a ton of sacks is unrealistic.

When Kemo went out then Brayton would move inside and Johnson would come into the DE spot. They moved to a one gap defense lining up in the 3 and 5 techniques like on the other side. The reason Johnson had 6 sacks was because he only had to control one gap and it freed him up to attack the quarterback. Brayton could do the same but he was still subject to double teams from the center and guard.

Should Brayton move inside to the DT spot? Hard to say if he is better than Lewis and he will likely continue to come in for Kemo on passing downs.

Should Johnson be the fulltime left DE? Depends on what scheme they are running. He would ineffective against the run if he were doubled like Brayton was but if they went to a 1 gap penetrating style across the board he could be effective.

But the question should be why is everyone high on Lewis when he had a good number of tackle but only 3.5 sacks in a scheme designed to help him get pressure. He had 3.5 sacks the year before in a part time role. In this scheme he was supposed to get at least 6 or 7. Seems if I were going to replace a DT it would be Lewis. Plus at this point he is still rehabbing an injury.

And releasing Brayton makes little sense unless you get cap relief in the bargain and I don't think we do. If Meeks wants to run a completely different scheme then it might make sense but the question people should be asking is why get rid of a guy who was one of our best run defenders at the expense of someone like Taylor who is a situational player at best and a real liability in the run.

Glad I don't have to make those decisions.

who here is high on lewis...i think he needs to go back to rotation..and i think johnsons run stoping is underated

but i want to see what favrorite can do..IDK if you have seen him but he has some of the longest arms i have seen. and thats a good thing for a DT

[CarolinaSock]

I'm not high on Lewis at all. One of the real failings of our pass rush last year was the complete lack of pressure from the middle. Unless a DE comes completely unblocked at the QB it's difficult to sack him if he can just take a few steps forward to get out of the DE's path.

[frash.exe]

who here is high on lewis...i think he needs to go back to rotation..and i think johnsons run stoping is underated

but i want to see what favrorite can do..IDK if you have seen him but he has some of the longest arms i have seen. and thats a good thing for a DT

Damione is definitely not an "every down" type DT. It showed in St. Louis and it showed here last year.

we need a system like we had when Jenkins was still here. Lewis is still very good as a situational pass rusher. That means one of these other DTs has to step up in camp.

[Montsta]

Personally, I would like to see Pep, Lewis, Kemo, and CJ as the starting 4, everydown guys. Then use the rest situationally. I think that keeps the guys fresh throughout the game, so as not to give up the booty so much later in the game (like what happened last year at NYG).

[BlindSite]

We won 12 games with Brayton at defensive end, I don't think we'll improve upon that by putting Brown in as a starter on the strongside.

We're better off keeping a rotation in there at DE and occasionally shifting peppers and brayton around to get the other guys on the field everyone's forgetting about Johnson too.

[mantal]

Wasn't the beef on Brayton that Oakland shifted him all over the place and didn't let him develop at one spot? And now our solution is to start moving him all over the place and have him develop at several spots?

[Montsta]

Wasn't the beef on Brayton that Oakland shifted him all over the place and didn't let him develop at one spot? And now our solution is to start moving him all over the place and have him develop at several spots?

They used to talk about that all the time here on the Bay Area sports shows, always after a lopsided Raiders loss.