Does Cam have an asking price?

[carpanfan96]

The market is not set it is fluid and can move and change.The question is are there any GM's willing to move it and change it?

 

 

The Market is set for Franchise QB's already and it's 17+ million a season. Cam's team option for 2015 is 17 million fully guaranteed. If they franchise tag him for two seasons after that he will have played for the Panther's for three seasons at 61.5 million dollars, that's over 20 million a season and all of it fully guaranteed. 

 

 

He's already going to get paid over 17 million a season and that's if Carolina just does the lazy thing and options and then tags him twice over the 2015-2017 seasons. 

 

The guy has over 90 touchdowns and  over 11k passing and 2k rushing yards the last three seasons. Over the last three seasons you'll find Cam is in the top 10 in Passing yards, Top 15 in passing Td's, top 30 in rushing yards and top 15 in Rushing Td's. 

 

 

I'd say that his stats show that he's worth a franchise QB level contract. I mean that's a ton of production for one player. 

[TheRed]

A qb making 20m hasn't won the Super Bowl is saying that, at the time of the win, there hasn't been someone making that much.

Is everything semantics with you? Do you just like to argue?

I'm not even going the personal route right now.

If that's what KP meant then it could have been worded better.

Back to the topic at hand, I'm interested to see what the new crop of young QB's will be be paid on their second contracts. Wilson particularly will be interesting, considering he now has a ring as well.

[pantherclaw]

doesn't change a thing about what I said.it also has nothing to do with age or twisting anything. Reading is fundamental for most.

you're finally right about something, Reading Is Fundamental for most which is why I have given up on you.

[pantherclaw]

The Market is set for Franchise QB's already and it's 17+ million a season. Cam's team option for 2015 is 17 million fully guaranteed. If they franchise tag him for two seasons after that he will have played for the Panther's for three seasons at 61.5 million dollars, that's over 20 million a season and all of it fully guaranteed.

He's already going to get paid over 17 million a season and that's if Carolina just does the lazy thing and options and then tags him twice over the 2015-2017 seasons.

The guy has over 90 touchdowns and over 11k passing and 2k rushing yards the last three seasons. Over the last three seasons you'll find Cam is in the top 10 in Passing yards, Top 15 in passing Td's, top 30 in rushing yards and top 15 in Rushing Td's.

I'd say that his stats show that he's worth a franchise QB level contract. I mean that's a ton of production for one player.

good luck with convincing him of anything he don't already know.

[Ruff]

I'm not even going the personal route right now.

If that's what KP meant then it could have been worded better.

Back to the topic at hand, I'm interested to see what the new crop of young QB's will be be paid on their second contracts. Wilson particularly will be interesting, considering he now has a ring as well.

The seahawks are going to be in a rough spot. Sherman's contract is coming up, as is Thomas' and guys like Golden Tate who could be re-signed.

That's what I was trying to say earlier. I think you could make a great team with a quality QB and great players everywhere else, but I don't think it would be able to last. Your team would almost implode from salary cap implications within three years or so.

I think the landscape of the nfl is going to change soon, as far as contracts are concerned. We could start seeing things like Revis' contract. A huge cap number, but, he can be cut at any time and it not create any dead money against tampa's cap.

[heel31ok]

I don't think you are following what I'm saying. Sure a GM can up and decide not to pay that much. But guess what happens then, there is always another team in desperate need who will pay that much, and then the GM has to watch that player walk, and answer to the owner for what happened.

The way things stand right now, you pay, or someone else will.

  I understand what you are saying but that can change.They are not locked in if they would just step up and do what needs to be done.I know why they do what they do but i don't know why they would think overpaying for a QB who is not as good as you are paying him would help secure his job.I would think winning would go a lot further in doing that.i say let a QB go if keeping him means breaking the bank, limiting getting other good players, and not really improving as a team. Paying a QB more does not make him better.I say pay when he gets better, incentives and a graduated salary.

[pantherclaw]

It's not overpaying if that's the.money that the.market dictates on the.postion, and the talent.

I wish fans would come to grips with that.

All high profile NFL players are overpaid.

Why should they earn more than soldiers do?

Cause it's a business.

And with any business, prices are set by the market. Supply and demand.

So you can think/feel they are overpaid all you want to. It's not going to change the value of the contracts.

If the Panthers don't make Cam one of the highest paid QB's in the league, then he will go to some other team that will. Then the Panthees will have to find another franchise qb. Let's hope it doesn't take another 20 years.

[TheRed]

The seahawks are going to be in a rough spot. Sherman's contract is coming up, as is Thomas' and guys like Golden Tate who could be re-signed.

That's what I was trying to say earlier. I think you could make a great team with a quality QB and great players everywhere else, but I don't think it would be able to last. Your team would almost implode from salary cap implications within three years or so.

I think the landscape of the nfl is going to change soon, as far as contracts are concerned. We could start seeing things like Revis' contract. A huge cap number, but, he can be cut at any time and it not create any dead money against tampa's cap.

I doubt they even try to keep Sherman, he's going to get paid huge.

This type of approach you are talking about is good in theory, but are the Seahawks the new trend, or an organization that had a good bit of luck in things falling into their laps? Hell even the Super Bowl, the way the Broncos played, Seattle essentially just had to show up, and not make mistakes.

I'm not buying into this idea that a team can plug any quarterback into their offense, and just coast to the Super Bowl. Sure there are a few examples, but looking back in history, it always at some point hinges on the quarterback.

[Ruff]

It's not overpaying if that's the.money that the.market dictates on the.postion, and the talent.

I wish fans would come to grips with that.

All high profile NFL players are overpaid.

Why should they earn more than soldiers do?

Cause it's a business.

And with any business, prices are set by the market. Supply and demand.

So you can think/feel they are overpaid all you want to. It's not going to change the value of the contracts.

If the Panthers don't make Cam one of the highest paid QB's in the league, then he will go to some other team that will. Then the Panthees will have to find another franchise qb. Let's hope it doesn't take another 20 years.

This has nothing to do with soldiers or whatever and how much they make. This is speaking specifically in the confines of the NFL.

What is being suggested is that teams stop over paying one player to make a team. And no, not every NFL player is overpaid within the space of the NFL. Wilson versus Peyton manning. Wilson isn't overpaid.

[heel31ok]

The Market is set for Franchise QB's already and it's 17+ million a season. Cam's team option for 2015 is 17 million fully guaranteed. If they franchise tag him for two seasons after that he will have played for the Panther's for three seasons at 61.5 million dollars, that's over 20 million a season and all of it fully guaranteed. 

 

 

He's already going to get paid over 17 million a season and that's if Carolina just does the lazy thing and options and then tags him twice over the 2015-2017 seasons. 

 

The guy has over 90 touchdowns and  over 11k passing and 2k rushing yards the last three seasons. Over the last three seasons you'll find Cam is in the top 10 in Passing yards, Top 15 in passing Td's, top 30 in rushing yards and top 15 in Rushing Td's. 

 

 

I'd say that his stats show that he's worth a franchise QB level contract. I mean that's a ton of production for one player. 

he is a middle of the pack QB and has been all 3 years.his passing yards have gone down each year and he was top 10 passing yards 1 time. His rookie year.it is impossible to have never made 20 mil in a season to avg 20 mil. over a career.

 with all the stas you speak we went to playoffs once and that was only after we built a great D.We could pay him an outrageous amount but unless we have the money to get him help we will be about where we are right now or worse.

 if that is all we can do then it is not woreth it and he is not worth it. If he is worth it then incentivise his contract  back up the Brinks truck to his house after he wins a SB.

[TheRed]

Middle of the pack, lol.

[pantherclaw]

Contracts will never get better until there is a cap on how much players can earn, which as much as I wish it can happen, it probably will never be a reality.

[Ruff]

Middle of the pack, lol.

 

So, just fyi, even though he and I kinda see things the same way, I definitely don't consider Cam a middle of the pack QB. I think Cam is definitely a Top 10 QB, on an offense that is anemic at its best times.

 

But yeah, going back to our previous discussion. It is definitely a theory on how to work things. But, I think that it could work. The problem would be a) finding a GM that goes that much against the grain and b) having an owner go explicitly along with it. 

[pantherclaw]

This has nothing to do with soldiers or whatever and how much they make. This is speaking specifically in the confines of the NFL.

What is being suggested is that teams stop over paying one player to make a team. And no, not every NFL player is overpaid within the space of the NFL. Wilson versus Peyton manning. Wilson isn't overpaid.

as long as there aren't enough elite qbs for every nfl team, that will never happen.