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If only we could find us a shot down corner. With this DL we could be close to being in the same league as seattle. The quest for that shut down corner is so elusive in the NFL. Harder to find than a franchise QB.

I think our d defense is in the same league but the offense is wack

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[CPcavedweller]

C'mon now we all know that this is a passing league and offense is the only way to win by scoring tons of points.

What?? You say that the best defense embarrassed the best offense in the superbowl this year and that this has been a trend in the Superbowl most years.

Oh nevermind then..........

One game does not a trend make. However I think Goodell will take the hint and realize he needs to make the game more defensive. Games like this will become regular if the playing field is not leveled. An average offense against an average to below average defense beats a team with a good offense playing a power defense.

Seattle, San fransisco, Arizona, Carolina, and what Tampa Bay was close to are good examples. Tampa just couldn't pull it together.

[jarhead]

The key is stopping the run and getting pressure with your front 4. Hardy was a big part of accomplishing that. Seattle has taken it to the next level with their secondary. The impressive thing is these guys are not top draft picks. From what I have read many GMs feel this is a deep draft with quality players in the 4th round. We desperately need a cb this year.

[ThunderKatt]

our coaches need to do their job and develop the corners out of college.  Norman, was a good raw cb coming out of college and the coaches basically gave up on him.  That's disappointing, because he has the tools you want in a corner.  He is just one example, but Thomas, and White are pretty decent too.  If the coaches can't develop cb's, I think we should just stick to picking up free agent cb's and draft other needs.  Jmo.  what do you think.?

The key is stopping the run and getting pressure with your front 4. Hardy was a big part of accomplishing that. Seattle has taken it to the next level with their secondary. The impressive thing is these guys are not top draft picks. From what I have read many GMs feel this is a deep draft with quality players in the 4th round. We desperately need a cb this year.

 

[jarhead]

our coaches need to do their job and develop the corners out of college.  Norman, was a good raw cb coming out of college and the coaches basically gave up on him.  That's disappointing, because he has the tools you want in a corner.  He is just one example, but Thomas, and White are pretty decent too.  If the coaches can't develop cb's, I think we should just stick to picking up free agent cb's and draft other needs.  Jmo.  what do you think.?

I agree for the most part but I am not sure if Norman was the best pick for our scheme.

[ThunderKatt]

That's fair to say, but if he isn't, trade him or let him go.  You don't let a guy like that talents rot away.  Me personally, I would much rather him be our nickel back because I think he can lock the slot down and disrupt those seem routes.

I agree for the most part but I am not sure if Norman was the best pick for our scheme.

 

[heel31ok]

Once you've achieved top 5 status, spending a lot of resources in FA or the draft to make a marginal improvement doesn't make sense. This is especially true when you have an offense ranked in the 20's.

 

If the clear, undisputed BPA at our pick happens to play DB, then yeah, maybe you go for it. Otherwise, we need to be focused largely on offensive BPA's, especially a playmaker/TD scorer.

there is enough improvement needed in the secondary to make it more than marginal improvement.

[iamhubby1]

our coaches need to do their job and develop the corners out of college.  Norman, was a good raw cb coming out of college and the coaches basically gave up on him.  That's disappointing, because he has the tools you want in a corner.  He is just one example, but Thomas, and White are pretty decent too.  If the coaches can't develop cb's, I think we should just stick to picking up free agent cb's and draft other needs.  Jmo.  what do you think.?

That is the question where it comes to Norman. Because the consensus is; Wilkes is one of the best DB coaches around. In fact. The fact that Rivera has put together one whale of a staff is pretty much a given.

Personally, I think it is the fact that Norman lost his edge. He found out he couldn't play like he did in college. That the WRs he was covering were just too good to fall for the ol' bait and switch he used in college. His skill set, and lack of make up speed, were just not suited for the NFL. And for some strange reason, he has fallen out of favor with this staff.

He is still on the team for a reason. We can still hope for some epiphany out of him. If...he wants it badly enough. I would not be surprised if he did/didn't make the team. Either way is a guess. I like him, and am hoping for the best. But for some reason, he has been pretty much non existent.

[ThunderKatt]

Steve Wilks was hot the first year in Chicago and got progressively worst, with the Bears being in the bottom 2 in 2008.  I don't know the history but any time your defense goes from top 10 to bottom 3 within a few years in passing, something isn't clicking.  Wilks has done good things when he has veteran players, but I would have to look into the teams he coached and what players he developed and see where their careers went.  

 

 

That is the question where it comes to Norman. Because the consensus is; Wilkes is one of the best DB coaches around. In fact. The fact that Rivera has put together one whale of a staff is pretty much a given.

Personally, I think it is the fact that Norman lost his edge. He found out he couldn't play like he did in college. That the WRs he was covering were just too good to fall for the ol' bait and switch he used in college. His skill set, and lack of make up speed, were just not suited for the NFL. And for some strange reason, he has fallen out of favor with this staff.

He is still on the team for a reason. We can still hope for some epiphany out of him. If...he wants it badly enough. I would not be surprised if he did/didn't make the team. Either way is a guess. I like him, and am hoping for the best. But for some reason, he has been pretty much non existent.

 

[pantherclaw]

If only we could find us a shot down corner. With this DL we could be close to being in the same league as seattle. The quest for that shut down corner is so elusive in the NFL. Harder to find than a franchise QB.

who says that tivera and gettleman will even seek out a SHUTDOWN corner?

If one falls into their laps, I'm sure they'd get one.

I don't see them going out of their way to get one.

You can have hreat defenses without the best corners in the game.

[pantherclaw]

our coaches need to do their job and develop the corners out of college. Norman, was a good raw cb coming out of college and the coaches basically gave up on him. That's disappointing, because he has the tools you want in a corner. He is just one example, but Thomas, and White are pretty decent too. If the coaches can't develop cb's, I think we should just stick to picking up free agent cb's and draft other needs. Jmo. what do you think.?

our coaches gave up Norman?

I'm sorry, I don't see it. He.played himself out of a starting role not once, but twice in two years.

We have a secondary coach that is one of the bestIin the league.

I hate when a player fails to reach a fans expectations, it's automatically the coaches fault.

The coaches can only do so much, then it's on the player to not only take the coaching, but to execute at the level that is coached and expected of them.

Norman has twice been the king of preseason, and gets straight up owned once the regular season begins.

I haven't given up hope for him, but if he can't pull it together this next season, it'll be another talent that is wasting a golden opportunity cause they think they can ger by on talent alone.

[ThunderKatt]

Just a question, since this is something I want to know. What players has Wilks developed? Either in Chicago or San Diego. It's one thing to coach but when a player is developed and drafted, that is coaching.

our coaches gave up Norman?

I'm sorry, I don't see it. He.played himself out of a starting role not once, but twice in two years.

We have a secondary coach that is one of the bestIin the league.

I hate when a player fails to reach a fans expectations, it's automatically the coaches fault.

The coaches can only do so much, then it's on the player to not only take the coaching, but to execute at the level that is coached and expected of them.

Norman has twice been the king of preseason, and gets straight up owned once the regular season begins.

I haven't given up hope for him, but if he can't pull it together this next season, it'll be another talent that is wasting a golden opportunity cause they think they can ger by on talent alone.

[ThunderKatt]

Cromartie and Tillman were already in the league, so was Jammer and Weddle.  I don't see one player that you mentioned where Wilks pulled them out of the proverbial oven and put them back in to because they weren't ready and came out stout defenders.

 

Developing a raw talent out of college is were accolades come from and right now, I don't see Wilks providing those.

Gregory
Weddle
Tillman
Jammer
Cromartie

 

[ThunderKatt]

You can raise your pressure and get pissed but those players had someone in their ears first.  I want a db coach that can develop dbs from start to finish.  One that can take a 5th round pick and turn him into something special, not some kids that were already having outstanding seasons and were there before he got there.

 

Any coach should be able to take what he saw on NFL film and tweak a few things, but I am talking about a coach there helped the dbs create game film from day one and improve from there.

Are you kidding me? Funny that you should mention that. Take it from someone who actually watched Charger games. Cromartie, Jammer, and Weddle improved when Wilks was there. You have to be an idiot to believe development doesn't count if a player is already in the league.

Weddle was a good prospect prior to 2008. He took a leap during 2009 and 2010.

Cromartie (despite having a career year in 2007) said his 2009 season has been his best in coverage.

Tillman till this day praises Wilks and Rivera for his improved play which led him to various accolades.

Again, I don't know what the fug you're talking about but it's quite clear that Steve Wilks made an impact in both Chicago and San Diego. What more could you ask for? Wilks was given chicken poo and he gave us chicken salad (when analyzing the damn lack of talent in our secondary). Good god...