Fox presser

[CatMan72]

itis always "if" and that don't fly. Making up stuff is not the same as knowing stuff. And that is what you have done.you have turned the question from what he did to what he is able to do.he also could have called a timeout before they snapped the ball in the EZ for a safety. He has that option as HC.That's how ridiculous your argument is right now. Then turning it into the epitome of ridiculousness by saying "you must not know anything about football." Which is pretty much an inherently false statement to make to anyone.

 

My "if" was part of a rhetorical question to you... I know for a fact that the HC has ultimate control over play calling and I know for a fact that Fox was exerting that control throughout the game simply by watching the sound FX episode I recommend you watch. He made the decision to go for it on one 4th down and he was constantly on his headset giving his coordinators direction on the kinds of play calling he wanted to see. 

 

Based on these facts, it is more than entirely fair to blame the HC for any and all play calling decisions because he has the ultimate authority to make these decisions. Fox himself would tell you that he's ultimately to blame for any and all bad play calling decisions during the game.

 

For me to have to defend the idea that the HC is ultimately in charge of all in-game decisions including play calling is ridiculous... it's like having to defend the notion that the sky is blue. If you don't understand that the HC has this authority and regularly exercises it, then I'm not sure where to go from here?

 

So now that we've established that, in my opinion the decision to punt the ball and run draw plays on 3rd down when you have a 30 point (or more) deficit to make up in the SB is totally absurd and serve as fine examples of Fox's biggest limitation as a HC... to be more blunt, I don't think he has the balls it takes to win championships or if he does he certainly didn't show them on Sunday. 

[Jangler]

 The blue sky is really just an optical illusion...

[heel31ok]

My "if" was part of a rhetorical question to you... I know for a fact that the HC has ultimate control over play calling and I know for a fact that Fox was exerting that control throughout the game simply by watching the sound FX episode I recommend you watch. He made the decision to go for it on one 4th down and he was constantly on his headset giving his coordinators direction on the kinds of play calling he wanted to see. 

 

Based on these facts, it is more than entirely fair to blame the HC for any and all play calling decisions because he has the ultimate authority to make these decisions. Fox himself would tell you that he's ultimately to blame for any and all bad play calling decisions during the game.

 

For me to have to defend the idea that the HC is ultimately in charge of all in-game decisions including play calling is ridiculous... it's like having to defend the notion that the sky is blue. If you don't understand that the HC has this authority and regularly exercises it, then I'm not sure where to go from here?

 

So now that we've established that, in my opinion the decision to punt the ball and run draw plays on 3rd down when you have a 30 point (or more) deficit to make up in the SB is totally absurd and serve as fine examples of Fox's biggest limitation as a HC... to be more blunt, I don't think he has the balls it takes to win championships or if he does he certainly didn't show them on Sunday. 

again you make it what it is not about.your premise and conclusion are far from the original point. which was that Fox only called punts and draw plays. now you have turned it inot the HC has the right do change calls and make calls which is not in dispute. The funny thing is you try to prove your point by showing Fox in fact went for it on 4th down instead of punting. so now you say it is his fault they only punted and ran draws because he didn't punt on a 4th down play.Yeah, keep the logic coming.

 You know if you find yourself in a hole you should stop digging. You are making your argument stronger by disproving it.

[heel31ok]

My "if" was part of a rhetorical question to you... I know for a fact that the HC has ultimate control over play calling and I know for a fact that Fox was exerting that control throughout the game simply by watching the sound FX episode I recommend you watch. He made the decision to go for it on one 4th down and he was constantly on his headset giving his coordinators direction on the kinds of play calling he wanted to see. 

 

Based on these facts, it is more than entirely fair to blame the HC for any and all play calling decisions because he has the ultimate authority to make these decisions. Fox himself would tell you that he's ultimately to blame for any and all bad play calling decisions during the game.

 

For me to have to defend the idea that the HC is ultimately in charge of all in-game decisions including play calling is ridiculous... it's like having to defend the notion that the sky is blue. If you don't understand that the HC has this authority and regularly exercises it, then I'm not sure where to go from here?

 

So now that we've established that, in my opinion the decision to punt the ball and run draw plays on 3rd down when you have a 30 point (or more) deficit to make up in the SB is totally absurd and serve as fine examples of Fox's biggest limitation as a HC... to be more blunt, I don't think he has the balls it takes to win championships or if he does he certainly didn't show them on Sunday. 

so if a draw is called the QB can't audible? how many draw plays were called? How many yards did the get each time. How many INTS did PM throw. How many of those were called by the HC? How many missed block on pass plays did the HC draw up on the board. You know he as  hC has the right to do that. I mean we could go on forever what the HC has the authority to do. That is a far cry from saying he did it the whole game and that it  was the reason they lost the game.You must not know much about football.

[Jangler]

well, this has turned into a sad little thread.

 

 

[heel31ok]

fact Denver punted 2 times and went for it on 4th down 3 times. not any ifs or ridiculous rhetorical theatrics.

[heel31ok]

well, this has turned into a sad little thread.

 

 

yeah at about 4:11 pm.

[Jangler]

why do you keep bumping this crap. 

[CatMan72]

again you make it what it is not about.your premise and conclusion are far from the original point. which was that Fox only called punts and draw plays. now you have turned it inot the HC has the right do change calls and make calls which is not in dispute. The funny thing is you try to prove your point by showing Fox in fact went for it on 4th down instead of punting. so now you say it is his fault they only punted and ran draws because he didn't punt on a 4th down play.Yeah, keep the logic coming.

 You know if you find yourself in a hole you should stop digging. You are making your argument stronger by disproving it.

 

Please show me where I said Fox only called punts and draw plays? 

 

Let's talk about Fox going for it on that 4th down... it made sense to go for it when you're down 22-0 at the end of the 2nd quarter but not when your down 29-0 or 36-0 or 36-8? When it finally got to 43-8 with 11 mins left in the game Fox decided to start going for it because what other choice did he have at that point? 

 

Was Fox waiting for the Seahawks to get bored with beating the crap out of his team or did he decide to put the game in the hands of his defense who the Seahawks were having their way with even more so than his offense? LOL

 

I tell you what he was doing, he was going into damage control mode... at 29-0 he knew the game was over and he was just trying to put a lid on the blowout at that point to save face. When it turned into an epic blowout at 43-8 with 11 mins left he decided to start going for it because damage control mode had failed (like it always does) and now the only way to save face was to look like you're putting up a fight. I personally would have had much more respect for the guy if he went into attack mode under those conditions instead of curling up in a ball and sucking his thumb while he watched the clock and the scoreboard and hoped things didn't get much worse. A team takes on the personality of it's HC and you could see the lack of fight in the Broncos, they quit just like he did. 

 

If you call that coaching and you think you can win championships with that, then you can have it... good luck. 

[CatMan72]

fact Denver punted 2 times and went for it on 4th down 3 times. not any ifs or ridiculous rhetorical theatrics.

 

Yes, when the game was totally out of hand at 43-8 with 11 mins left Fox decided to start going for it on 4th down again... what a bold decision! 

[CatMan72]

so if a draw is called the QB can't audible? how many draw plays were called? How many yards did the get each time. How many INTS did PM throw. How many of those were called by the HC? How many missed block on pass plays did the HC draw up on the board. You know he as  hC has the right to do that. I mean we could go on forever what the HC has the authority to do. That is a far cry from saying he did it the whole game and that it  was the reason they lost the game.You must not know much about football.

 

Was I blaming Fox for Peyton's interceptions? What are the percentages of converting a 1st down on a 3rd and long draw play? BTW, running the ball on a draw play uses more clock then attempting a pass and the percentages of converting a 3rd and long with a draw play are much lower than a pass play, so please explain the logic of these decisions to me when it's the 2nd half of the SB, you're down 29-0 and your defense is getting totally abused? 

 

All Fox has to do is get on his headset and say: "Listen guys, this is your boss speaking... no more f*cking draw plays, we're down 29-0 and we're running out of time... ATTACK!" 

 

The answer is a draw play is a "safer" play in those situations and if nothing else it improves your field position for a punt or FG depending on where you are, so coach Fox is playing it safe and working for field position down 29-0 in the SB? Interesting strategy to say the least... sounds like damage control to me. 

 

I'm bored with this discussion so I'm moving on... peace be with you. 

 

The bottom line for me is that Sunday reminded me why I'm glad we moved on from coach Fox... we were never going to win it all with that "play it safe" mentality. 

[heel31ok]

Please show me where I said Fox only called punts and draw plays? 

 

Let's talk about Fox going for it on that 4th down... it made sense to go for it when you're down 22-0 at the end of the 2nd quarter but not when your down 29-0 or 36-0 or 36-8? When it finally got to 43-8 with 11 mins left in the game Fox decided to start going for it because what other choice did he have at that point? 

 

Was Fox waiting for the Seahawks to get bored with beating the crap out of his team or did he decide to put the game in the hands of his defense who the Seahawks were having their way with even more so than his offense? LOL

 

I tell you what he was doing, he was going into damage control mode... at 29-0 he knew the game was over and he was just trying to put a lid on the blowout at that point to save face. When it turned into an epic blowout at 43-8 with 11 mins left he decided to start going for it because damage control mode had failed (like it always does) and now the only way to save face was to look like you're putting up a fight. I personally would have had much more respect for the guy if he went into attack mode under those conditions instead of curling up in a ball and sucking his thumb while he watched the clock and the scoreboard and hoped things didn't get much worse. A team takes on the personality of it's HC and you could see the lack of fight in the Broncos, they quit just like he did. 

 

If you call that coaching and you think you can win championships with that, then you can have it... good luck. 

so you are making a thing out of 1 draw play and 2 punts? That is what you are saying. you referenced punts and draw plays .He didn't start going for it late in the game so that is another strawman you are introducing.you are all over the place and your reasons clash with each other and the facts. You don't like his style fine but don't make up crap and don't misrepresent .what you said about "deciding to start going for it with 11 minutes left" is not true. and then you go onto to rant about how bad he is based on that untruth.

 it is not for me to decide if that is the syle of coaching that can win championships it is for Elway to decide. So far that is exactly what he has decided. you may think you have a vast knowledge of the game but in the false hoods of some of your descriptions I don't think you know as much as you think you do.on the other hand I know you are not nearly as knowledgable as an NFL HOF QB who now runs the Broncos.

[heel31ok]

sometimes one team is just better and this is one of those times. It was not about the coaching style of the HC.

[heel31ok]

Was I blaming Fox for Peyton's interceptions? What are the percentages of converting a 1st down on a 3rd and long draw play? BTW, running the ball on a draw play uses more clock then attempting a pass and the percentages of converting a 3rd and long with a draw play are much lower than a pass play, so please explain the logic of these decisions to me when it's the 2nd half of the SB, you're down 29-0 and your defense is getting totally abused? 

 

All Fox has to do is get on his headset and say: "Listen guys, this is your boss speaking... no more f*cking draw plays, we're down 29-0 and we're running out of time... ATTACK!" 

 

The answer is a draw play is a "safer" play in those situations and if nothing else it improves your field position for a punt or FG depending on where you are, so coach Fox is playing it safe and working for field position down 29-0 in the SB? Interesting strategy to say the least... sounds like damage control to me. 

 

I'm bored with this discussion so I'm moving on... peace be with you. 

 

The bottom line for me is that Sunday reminded me why I'm glad we moved on from coach Fox... we were never going to win it all with that "play it safe" mentality. 

one draw play.