RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

[MadHatter]

Can't feel too sorry for a person who in effect did this to themselves.

 

Drug additions starts from one thing.....a person making a conscious choice to start using drugs.

 

[Jangler]

Can't feel too sorry for a person who in effect did this to themselves.

 

Drug additions starts from one thing.....a person making a conscious choice to start using drugs.

 

I've done some things I wish I hadn't over the years. But heroin and any kind of pills I will never use.

[Doc Holiday]

fug drugs. 

 

 

 

http://nypost.com/2014/02/02/philip-seymour-hoffman-found-dead-in-his-apartment/

I know a lot of people liked him for his acting ability but if you are doing Heroin this is what happens.  Doing Heroin or Meth is literally not caring if you die in the next 5 minutes. I really can't feel sorry for anyone dumb enough to do the these type of drugs.  I know this sounds cold, but with my work I deal with a lot of people with drug habits and this is very true, they don't care if the drug kills them, they don't care how it affects the people around them they only care about that high and everything else be damned. 

[Happy Panther]

I know firsthand from friends. I don't know psh personally hence what I said. Anyone who has dealt with someone that has been addicted knows what sympathy truly means

 

Yep if you haven't dealt with it it is hard to fathom. Some people are just hardwired differently. It really isn't some trivial choice that is made for many

[TheRumGone]

I know a lot of people liked him for his acting ability but if you are doing Heroin this is what happens. Doing Heroin or Meth is literally not caring if you die in the next 5 minutes. I really can't feel sorry for anyone dumb enough to do the these type of drugs. I know this sounds cold, but with my work I deal with a lot of people with drug habits and this is very true, they don't care if the drug kills them, they don't care how it affects the people around them they only care about that high and everything else be damned.

And that's the power of drugs. Some people are screaming for help just not out loud.

[Doc Holiday]

And that's the power of drugs. Some people are screaming for help just not out loud.

thats where you are wrong they aren't. They are exactly where they want to be.

[Happy Panther]

thats where you are wrong they aren't. They are exactly where they want to be.

 

They aren't I promise.

[Doyle]

I have a friend that I cut out of my life in September due to drugs.  No communication what so ever now.  I do get updates on him through other friends and he is going to pull a Phillip Seymour Hoffman soon in my opinion.  Never did a drug until he was in his 30's and in high school he hardly even drank other than a few beers at a time.  He is not the brightest guy in the world and actually had the mindset of "I am stronger than any drug".  His whole family pretends like there is no problem and support his habit by playing stupid.  I'm so over having any pity for him.  Maybe that is just the stage I'm at now but if I get a call tomorrow that he is dead I won't be attending the funeral.

 

Sorry if you don't like my stance on it but I just thought I would share.

[TheRumGone]

thats where you are wrong they aren't. They are exactly where they want to be.

Lol no

[Floppin]

thats where you are wrong they aren't. They are exactly where they want to be.

 

For someone who supposedly works around a lot of addicts, you sure don't have even the most basic understanding of addiction. That's a shame. 

[Doc Holiday]

For someone who supposedly works around a lot of addicts, you sure don't have even the most basic understanding of addiction. That's a shame. 

I can say with a certainty that I understand it better then most, like I said I deal with a lot of people with serious drug addictions and while you may think I don't know what Im talking about I know better then you.

 

The only time there will be a change in someone away from a addiction of this Kind is when the will of the individual to change out weighs their want for the drug.

 

[Floppin]

I can say with a certainty that I understand it better then most, like I said I deal with a lot of people with serious drug addictions and while you may think I don't know what Im talking about I know better then you.

 

The only time there will be a change in someone away from a addiction of this Kind is when the will of the individual to change out weighs their want for the drug.

 

What makes you so sure?

 

Also, it's not a "want" for the drug. Tons of addicts hate the drugs they use. Tons of addicts want to change and die without ever making any real change. Thinking that addiction is as simple as mind over matter is fallacious and, depending on your work with people in addiction, borders on irresponsible.  While strength of will is certainly important in overcoming and surviving addiction, to state that those who use drugs while in addiction do so because of a lack of desire to quit is flat out wrong. 

[Doc Holiday]

What makes you so sure?

 

Also, it's not a "want" for the drug. Tons of addicts hate the drugs they use. Tons of addicts want to change and die without ever making any real change. Thinking that addiction is as simple as mind over matter is fallacious and, depending on your work with people in addiction, borders on irresponsible.  While strength of will is certainly important in overcoming and surviving addiction, to state that those who use drugs while in addiction do so because of a lack of desire to quit is flat out wrong. 

The only time I ever see anyone change is when they want the change more then the drugs, most don't, it's unfortunate but true.  at least for the people I deal with that is the case.   I will say if it makes you feel any better I said I deal with them I did not say I had anything to do with the rehabilitation of them, but with that said I also know and have experienced that they do only change when the want for whatever it may be is greater then the want for the drug. 

 

I've seen many people that I deal with get straight up disowned by family, straight up written out, these aren't people with mild addictions or casual users these are hard core addicts. and most of them want the drug more then anything else and really do not care about anything else.

[Happy Panther]

What makes you so sure?

 

Also, it's not a "want" for the drug. Tons of addicts hate the drugs they use. Tons of addicts want to change and die without ever making any real change. Thinking that addiction is as simple as mind over matter is fallacious and, depending on your work with people in addiction, borders on irresponsible.  While strength of will is certainly important in overcoming and surviving addiction, to state that those who use drugs while in addiction do so because of a lack of desire to quit is flat out wrong. 

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