Jerry Angelo (former Bears GM) ranks the league's QBs, Cam comes in at #4

[CelticCat]

 I am anxious to see what we do this off season to bring more consistency to that side of the ball.

 

Me too, Id love to see the right side of the Oline fixed so Cam isn't bailing out of the pocket sooner than he should be.

We had fewer drives last year yet conceded more sacks.

 

Id like to see 28 back out there healthy. Id also like to see us draft some receiving options with some size and young legs. Smitty can't have much left in the tank, we really need to make a move finding Cam his #1 target for the future.

[heel31ok]

I have been listening (reading) to your argument about how great our defense was.  And it was an incredible defense.  Held teams to a small number of points, yards blah blah blah.   Great defense. 

 

Let's move the argument to the offense helping the defense.  We were in the top 5 in time of possession meaning.  Our defense is on the field less.  Less time for offenses to put points up.  Less time to accumulate your precious stats.  That ball control offense that chewed up clock was done by CAM NEWTON.  

 

Take away his 4th Quarter comebacks and we are 8-8.   Take away a couple of calls that went our way defensively you know the Pass Interference non calls against the Patriots and Saints. and the dropped pass to the Tight End in the SF first game.  We are 9-7.  

 

Your argument is our defense carried us.  Awesome defense but Cam and the offense was just as critical in our 12-4 record as our amazing defense.  

 

I think why so many feel you are trolling is because your steadfast belief that our defense and not Cam was the sole reason for our team going 12-4.   Give the defense their credit as it should be but give Cam his due to.   Without Cam and our ball control offense we don't go 12-4 and our defense isn't top 5.

biggest reason does not = sole reason. Defense is top five period. Without Cam is another speculation that could result in a better QB at the helm. i mean if we want to play the if game. So that is why i don't see the point as valid. 

[heel31ok]

Me too, Id love to see the right side of the Oline fixed so Cam isn't bailing out of the pocket sooner than he should be.

We had fewer drives last year yet conceded more sacks.

 

Id like to see 28 back out there healthy. Id also like to see us draft some receiving options with some size and young legs. Smitty can't have much left in the tank, we really need to make a move finding Cam his #1 target for the future.

Don't sleep on Smith , not wise to count him out. I would love to see two young guys on the outside and Steve move to the slot.He is still quick and his slants and short routes still effective.stewart is a big question mark I hope he can get healthy but not too confident right now, Hope I am dead wrong about that.

[DaveThePanther2008]

biggest reason does not = sole reason. Defense is top five period. Without Cam is another speculation that could result in a better QB at the helm. i mean if we want to play the if game. So that is why i don't see the point as valid. 

 

Why, because your point is that Cam isn't the reason we did well it was our defense but I say that the ball control offense lead by Newton had a lot to do with the statically low defense.

 

They go hand in hand.  Show me a top rated defense where the offense was near the bottom in Time of Possession.

 

NO I HAVE NOT DOUBT YOUR A FUGGIN TROLL.

 

Go AWAY wanna be fan.

[Beast_3000]

not at all, I am using a great defense this season as praise for a great defense this season.Again if someone thinks that is trolling then they have a problem with another person having a different or opposing opinion. rW and CK have nothing to do with what I posted and were not factors in the posts.The fact the D was the major reason for our success is not derisive towards Cam. I think denying it is derisive against the D.We can all play that game.

I am sure Can will improve as he is surrounded with more weapons but that doesn't change what the D did and I am sure Cam would be one of the first to give the D their props for what they did. Pointing out the D was just doing the same as Cam would do. Just becaus some here are sensitive about Cam doesn't change the facts about the D. i said nothing derisive about what Cam could do in the future I merely aknowledged what the D did in the present. Credit where credit is due.

Yes, but you exclude major changes in philosophy when you give the defense most of the credit for the teams turnaround. Rivera changed his coaching philosophy. He was 2 -14 in games of 7 points or less before the turnaround this season. You argue that Cam was 7 -9 his second season. Well yeah, if your coach plays "not to lose" instead of "playing to win" the team ends up on the short end of the stick. You take the 2- 14 record for close games and make it about 8 -8 based on ballsy coaching by Ron and you have 3 winning seasons with Cam at quarterback. You take away the Riverboat Ron philosophy this year and I am sure we would have missed the playoffs again.

Put Cam on the Saints team you still have a playoff team. Put Brees here on this panther team and you do not have a playoff team. Cam has a diverse skill-set that hides many of our teams flaws.

Cam is part of the solution and he is arguably the most important part of the team. He and Luke are 1A & 1B.

[Guest Dark Knight]

-four 4th quarter comebacks

-3,964 yards

-30 touchdowns

"Defense carried him."

[Evengelion]

4000 and 700 doesn't matter, he was 6-10 and 7-9 with those stats.His stats went down and we got better. we got better because of the D. The D was ranked 4th in league.The O was 24th overall ,11th rushing and 27th passing. 

do you know how many first downs you can get and still not score in the RZ? Alot!

Right now you're approaching 'what the hell are you talking' zone. Let me understand this, we're going to dismiss important facts for the sake of making your point now?

 

My statement was targeted towards your notion that Cam is replaceable. By whom? Cam is probably the hardest QB to game plan against for in the league. If you watched the playoffs all those so-called top QBs struggled except Peyton and it's mostly because of his weapons. Cam does work no matter. He put up his 250 and 65 no matter.

 

[Evengelion]

Cam is a part of why the team got better not just the d but the team as a whole starting from the new GM to Rivera growing some balls, Cam's yardage drop could have happen for alot of reasons......a new OC, Guys like Ginn and lafell dropping balls, steve smith and olsen not being the only guys getting open,ect. The D was as good as it was because the Offense had big time consuming drives in which cam converted alot of 3rd downs to keep the drive going.

 

in all the d did not carry the team,nor the offense they mesh with each other throughout the season.

 

but to say the d carried the team is very very absent mind

I don't think he watch the NE game nor understand that we could have easily been a 10-6 team that miss the playoffs because Arizona had us on the tie breaker. Without those 4 last minute drives we would have been 8-8, good defense or not. Let's observe this guy a little to see where his angle is. lol

[FootballMaestro]

I don't think he watch the NE game nor understand that we could have easily been a 10-6 team that miss the playoffs because Arizona had us on the tie breaker. Without those 4 last minute drives we would have been 8-8, good defense or not. Let's observe this guy a little to see where his angle is. lol

 

I think what many "good defense" proponents don't realize is: Even if you had this "Good D", you put another QB in there, and the Panthers could still be a 500 or losing team as they were the previous two seasons. 

 

It's Cam that gives the offense legitimacy. With out him (especially with out real weapons and half a offensive line), the team would have no chance to win games. Cam's a play making/game breaker at all times. 

 

If only he had on O-Line that could give him time, and receivers who could get separation or catch the high balls. 

 

Scary thought!

[Evengelion]

The D was as good as it was because of the Players on D.I mean you can cite some indirect factors from the Offense but the overwhelming factor was the D itself not the offense.The O was as good as it was because the D shut people down and gave the O more opportunities.

 since 2011 the O and D have basically changed places in their ranking and in looking at those trends it is obvious the D is the major factor and the side of the ball carrying this team. the points allowed gives us the best view as we went from a -23 pt differential in 2011 to a 125 diff in 2013.  I know it gets tedious with the facts but  trhey are there and they tell the story of a dominant D that carried this team.

How did the Texans do this year with their great defense with...J.J.WAAAtt.

[heel31ok]

Why, because your point is that Cam isn't the reason we did well it was our defense but I say that the ball control offense lead by Newton had a lot to do with the statically low defense.

 

They go hand in hand.  Show me a top rated defense where the offense was near the bottom in Time of Possession.

 

NO I HAVE NOT DOUBT YOUR A FUGGIN TROLL.

 

Go AWAY wanna be fan.

The D no matter how you slice it is the major force in the success we had this year.

[heel31ok]

Right now you're approaching 'what the hell are you talking' zone. Let me understand this, we're going to dismiss important facts for the sake of making your point now?

 

My statement was targeted towards your notion that Cam is replaceable. By whom? Cam is probably the hardest QB to game plan against for in the league. If you watched the playoffs all those so-called top QBs struggled except Peyton and it's mostly because of his weapons. Cam does work no matter. He put up his 250 and 65 no matter.

 

If Cam's performance is the same then what has changed? THe D, that is because they made the difference. You just confirmed that. Cam is the same 250 65 guy.You can't call something that is the same the difference. You have to call what is different the difference and that would be the Defense.

[Evengelion]

I think what many "good defense" proponents don't realize is: Even if you had this "Good D", you put another QB in there, and the Panthers could still be a 500 or losing team as they were the past three seasons. 

 

It's Cam that gives the offense legitimacy. With out him (especially with out real weapons and a offensive line), the team would have no chance to win games. Cam's a play making/game breaker at all times. 

 

If only he had on O-Line that could give him time, and receivers who could get separation or catch the high balls. 

 

Scary thought!

The Texans supposed have one of the best defense in the league, a good OL and 2 number one type WR and a good running back but can't explain to us why they went 2-14 in the worst division in football. But they come trolling Cam here talking about our so-called great defense. If we go by his argument then the top 12 defensive teams in the league were the ones that made the playoffs.

[Oudaman90]

If that's the case they're the main reason we lost in the playoffs too. They couldn't stop the 49er's in the second half. If the defense is the driving force for our wins then they deserve more blame when we lose....