PJ or Rodney ?

[RoaringRiot]

Dude I just named 5 because I didn't think I had to name anymore to make your statement false.

But to make you look worse here we go.

JMM being a freshman on the same team was a contributor.

Marcus Pagie as a Freshman.

Kendall Marshall earned playing time as a freshman

Ed Davis earned playing time as a Freshman

Do I need to keep going with this??

I honestly have never seen someone think they're making a point when they're actually as wrong as you are in all of these points. Plus, you dodge the question of how this matters and means anything to the OP every time. It's like talking to a high school kid.

JMM played the same amount of minutes PJ did. Bad example.

Kendall played the same minutes PJ did. Bad example.

Marcus started because Kendall left after his second year so he had to start. Bad example.

Ed Davis came off the bench and played a few more minutes than PJ. Bad example.

The funny part is you actually think you're making a point but you're not. None of those people played THAT many more minutes as freshmen than PJ did. The minutes were all comparable and their roles were too.

Until you can tell me what relevance this has in determining who would be better for the Hornets then you should probably pack it up because you're just looking like a ABCer in full effect.

[WOW!!]

Exactly but you can't sit here and ignore the fact his coaches didn't trust him or he wasn't ready to contribute his freshman year or both. And the fact Hood was.

 

 

Not too many freshmen go to Chapel Hill and are expected to be key contributors. I'm sure it's a completely different story for a star recruit at Mississippi State.  It has nothing to do with trust from the coaches.  It has everything to do with talent on the teams.  The Heels were one Kendall Marshall injury away from being in the Final Four when PJ was a freshman.  

 

The point you're trying to make is way off.....

 

 

I honestly have never seen someone think they're making a point when they're actually as wrong as you are in all of these points. Plus, you dodge the question of how this matters and means anything to the OP every time. It's like talking to a high school kid.

JMM played the same amount of minutes PJ did. Bad example.

Kendall played the same minutes PJ did. Bad example.

Marcus started because Kendall left after his second year so he had to start. Bad example.

Ed Davis came off the bench and played a few more minutes than PJ. Bad example.

The funny part is you actually think you're making a point but you're not. None of those people played THAT many more minutes as freshmen than PJ did. The minutes were all comparable and their roles were too.

Until you can tell me what relevance this has in determining who would be better for the Hornets then you should probably pack it up because you're just looking like a ABCer in full effect.

 

 

Do you not see the flow of this conversation now???

 

1. You said not to many Freshmen come to UNC and are expected to contribute. 

 

I've already name 10.

 

2. You said PJ didn't play much or contribute because the talent on the team that year.

 

I said Dexter Strickland, and Lesile Mcdonald were in front of him on the depth chart. Neither are any where near as talented as him. So you would be wrong AGAIN!!

[RoaringRiot]

Do you not see the flow of this conversation now???

1. You said not to many Freshmen come to UNC and are expected to contribute.

I've already name 10.

2. You said PJ didn't play much or contribute because the talent on the team that year.

I said Dexter Strickland, and Lesile Mcdonald were in front of him on the depth chart. Neither are any where near as talented as him. So you would be wrong AGAIN!!

No you haven't. You have named one or two who contributed more than PJ. The others played the same role. Seriously ....you're not making your point. You're just make yourself more wrong every time you post.

Way to avoid the relevance question for the 10th time. Continue on with your trolling on PJ and the Heels.

[teeray]

I have been critical of PJ because of his at times terrible defense.

But one thing about him is he has improved every year. He was 10x better his sophomore year than his freshman year, and if you take Roy at his word about PJ in practice or seen his stats so far in the NBADL it seems he has lifted his game again.

That is a good sign and shows how much he is willing to work on his game.

[bigcatdaddy]

You have to take D league stats with a grain of salt. There isn't a lot of defense being played, 12 of the 14 teams playing last night scored over 100 points. Five teams scored over 115 points and Terrence Williams dropped 50 points on some team.

[teeray]

You have to take D league stats with a grain of salt. There isn't a lot of defense being played, 12 of the 14 teams playing last night scored over 100 points. Five teams scored over 115 points and Terrence Williams dropped 50 points on some team.

I agree. But Roy said he was dominating in practice too. He may have been protecting PJ in case he couldn't come back, but that is why I included Roy's comments.

Point being he seems to improve every year. At least to this point

[stinger14]

Hood...and it is not close in my eyes. I think Hood has the better offensive game and the better defensive game. Hood also doesn't have the question of character that will follow Hairston.

[WOW!!]

No you haven't. You have named one or two who contributed more than PJ. The others played the same role. Seriously ....you're not making your point. You're just make yourself more wrong every time you post.

Way to avoid the relevance question for the 10th time. Continue on with your trolling on PJ and the Heels.

 

 

Dude you're full of it. But let's go down the list again.

 

1. Hansbro = Not even a question

 

2. Marvin Williams = not even a question

 

3. JMM = scored more points and was more of a contributor 

 

4. Harris Barnes = started as a freshman

 

5. John Henson = started as a freshman.

 

6. Brandon Wright = started as a freshmen

 

7. Wayne Ellington = started as a freshman 

 

8. Ty Lawson = started as a Freshman

 

9. Kendall Marshall = was a contributor and became a starter his freshman year

 

10. Marcus Paige = Had to come in and be a starter his freshman year.

 

 

10 players making this statement wrong

 

Not too many freshmen go to Chapel Hill and are expected to be key contributors.

 

[thatlookseasy]

There's a decent chance we get that Detroit pick at number nine unless they start tanking hard,

 

I mean they are shopping Monroe, I have to think they're looking to tank.  And with Cleveland right behind them actually trying to win games, they're in that 8-9 range now.

 

Looking at their roster though, you may be right.  Moving Monroe will give Josh Smith more minutes at the 4, which opens up minutes for a shooter like Singler or Caldwell-Pope at the 3.  I could see their front office trying to tank and accidentally improving the team (like what Toronto did when they traded Rudy Gay)

[thatlookseasy]

As to the playing time Roy gives freshman- he definitely plays them, but it is a lot tougher to earn playing time when you have to unseat a upperclassmen who started the year before.

 

I remember it took Roy several games to start a freshman Ty Lawson over the sophomore Bobby Frasor even though it was painfully obvious to everyone who the better player was.  Same thing happened with Kendall Marshall, he didnt start over Larry Drew until halfway through ACC play

[thatlookseasy]

Dude you're full of it. But let's go down the list again.

 

1. Hansbro = Not even a question

 

2. Marvin Williams = not even a question

 

3. JMM = scored more points and was more of a contributor 

 

4. Harris Barnes = started as a freshman

 

5. John Henson = started as a freshman.

 

6. Brandon Wright = started as a freshmen

 

7. Wayne Ellington = started as a freshman 

 

8. Ty Lawson = started as a Freshman

 

9. Kendall Marshall = was a contributor and became a starter his freshman year

 

10. Marcus Paige = Had to come in and be a starter his freshman year.

 

 

10 players making this statement wrong

 

Not too many freshmen go to Chapel Hill and are expected to be key contributors.

 

Mcadoo didnt do poo his freshman year outside of 2 or 3 good games filling in for an injured John Henson. I mean come on he averaged 6 points.

 

Also, John Henson did not start as a freshman.  He may have gotten a couple starts late in the year but he played behind Deon Thompson and Ed Davis

[RoaringRiot]

Dude you're full of it. But let's go down the list again.

 

1. Hansbro = Not even a question

 

2. Marvin Williams = not even a question

 

3. JMM = scored more points and was more of a contributor 

 

4. Harris Barnes = started as a freshman

 

5. John Henson = started as a freshman.

 

6. Brandon Wright = started as a freshmen

 

7. Wayne Ellington = started as a freshman 

 

8. Ty Lawson = started as a Freshman

 

9. Kendall Marshall = was a contributor and became a starter his freshman year

 

10. Marcus Paige = Had to come in and be a starter his freshman year.

 

 

10 players making this statement wrong

 

Not too many freshmen go to Chapel Hill and are expected to be key contributors.

 

 

Man...you just really aren't that smart are you? 

 

1) Hansbrough - had to start as a freshman because the players on the 2005 team either went to the NBA or graduated.  If they had remained in school he would have had a similar expected role as PJ.  BAD EXAMPLE.  

 

2)  Marvin Williams - came off the bench and was a complete stud who ended up getting drafted #2 overall.  When you're a complete stud you get to play, it doesn't matter what year you are.

 

3) JMM - his role was the same as PJ's as freshmen.  BAD EXAMPLE

 

4) Harrison Barnes - was the #1 recruit in the country.  Of course he's going to play.  BAD EXAMPLE

 

5) Henson - did NOT start as a freshman until Ed Davis went down.  His expected role was the same as PJ's.  BAD EXAMPLE

 

6) Wright - here's the second one you've gotten right so far

 

7) Ellington - did NOT start as a freshman.  His role was the same as PJ's.  BAD EXAMPLE

 

8) Lawson - had to start because the only other PGs on the team were terrible.  I'll give you that one. 

 

9) Marshall - wasn't expected to be the starter and only became the starter because Drew 2 was terrible.  BAD EXAMPLE

 

10) Paige - wasn't supposed to be the starter but had to once Marshall left.  BAD EXAMPLE. 

 

I don't know why this is so difficult for you.  The way UNC recruits, freshmen are not EXPECTED to be key contributors.  That doesn't mean they don't get to play.  PJ got to play.  But his minutes were reduced because of the upper classmen on the team.  Not because Roy didn't trust him like you're claiming.  

 

Seriously.....you're trying as hard as you can to make a point about PJ and you're so wrong it's comical.  AND you can't even answer the one question that I've asked you 7 times now....what does any of this have to do with the OP?  It's all about your agenda against PJ and UNC and it makes you look really, really dumb.  

[WOW!!]

"Not to many Freshman go to Chapel Hill and are expected to Contribute"

 

 

 

 

 

 

I name 10 players that did contribute as freshman and at

least 6 were expected to.

 

JMM was the 6th man his freshman year.

 

Henson was getting 16.0 min. before Davis went down.

 

I can keep going but in the end You said this

 

 

"Not to many Freshman go to Chapel Hill and are expected to contribute "

 

Which again is wrong because some are asked to start or at least be the 1st man off the bench.

 

 

 

[teeray]

Dude you're full of it. But let's go down the list again.

1. Hansbro = Not even a question

2. Marvin Williams = not even a question

3. JMM = scored more points and was more of a contributor

4. Harris Barnes = started as a freshman

5. John Henson = started as a freshman.

6. Brandon Wright = started as a freshmen

7. Wayne Ellington = started as a freshman

8. Ty Lawson = started as a Freshman

9. Kendall Marshall = was a contributor and became a starter his freshman year

10. Marcus Paige = Had to come in and be a starter his freshman year.

10 players making this statement wrong

Not too many freshmen go to Chapel Hill and are expected to be key contributors.

Marvin Williams came off the bench I thought.

And a lot of those guys were forced into starting roles because of mass defections to the NBA or injury.

It is no secret that Roy likes to start guys with more experience and force freshmen to earn their way into the rotation

But I also think it is an overstatement to say they aren't expected to be key contributors. I guess that comes down to how you define a "key contributor"