Greg Hardy says Panther negotiations yet to begin.

[rayzor]

Are you kidding me?

 

Munny and Edwards were mid to low tier FA's who could not garner a big contract on the open market.  Hardy is exactly the opposite.

 

If you think Hardy will come back and take a lower contract...you are kidding yourself.

yep. it's going to be a flooded market this year much like last year. more cap space might be available, but there will also be more FAs hitting the market. many players will fit the bill that capt. and edwards fit as far as being the victim of a buyers market and not being players at the top of their position. solid players in a sea of solid players. they took what they could.

 

hardy isn't in that group, tho. he's one of a handful of players hitting the market who will still be able to get top dollar and with whom there is a ton of demand with few true peers to compete with in the market. he is, arguably, the best FA hitting the market this year. 

 

there will be a lot of demand for his services and a lot of competition which will drive the price tag high. honestly, i would be nuts to not take advantage of this opportunity. moments like this comes along as rarely as hitting the lottery. first, how rare is it to even be in the league? how rare is it to last more than.  couple years? how rare is it to even get a starting gig? how rare is it to be the top free agent in the market? will there ever be another moment like this? 

 

it would be hard to pass up for anyone. loyalty to an organization only goes so far when you are talking about making sure you and your family is taken care of.

 

i wouldn't be surprised to see him walk. in fact i'd be more surprised if we managed to keep him. and if he didn't take more money elsewhere  i wouldn't blame him. i also wouldn't hold it against the panthers for letting him get away when there's just not much we could have done thanks to the cap situation we find ourselves in.

[MadHatter]

yep. it's going to be a flooded market this year much like last year. more cap space might be available, but there will also be more FAs hitting the market. many players will fit the bill that capt. and edwards fit as far as being the victim of a buyers market and not being players at the top of their position. solid players in a sea of solid players. they took what they could.

 

hardy isn't in that group, tho. he's one of a handful of players hitting the market who will still be able to get top dollar and with whom there is a ton of demand with few true peers to compete with in the market. he is, arguably, the best FA hitting the market this year. 

 

there will be a lot of demand for his services and a lot of competition which will drive the price tag high. honestly, i would be nuts to not take advantage of this opportunity. moments like this comes along as rarely as hitting the lottery. first, how rare is it to even be in the league? how rare is it to last more than.  couple years? how rare is it to even get a starting gig? how rare is it to be the top free agent in the market? will there ever be another moment like this? 

 

it would be hard to pass up for anyone. loyalty to an organization only goes so far when you are talking about making sure you and your family is taken care of.

 

i wouldn't be surprised to see him walk. in fact i'd be more surprised if we managed to keep him. and if he didn't take more money elsewhere  i wouldn't blame him. i also wouldn't hold it against the panthers for letting him get away when there's just not much we could have done thanks to the cap situation we find ourselves in.

Agree.

 

I see that tagging him is the only real way we keep him this year....and the financial cost of that is very high.

 

I trust Gett

[Snake]

Honestly the question is that has Hardy been a product of the system or can he beat double teams regularly. It really does help when Johnson and Star were taking all those double teams.

[MadHatter]

Honestly the question is that has Hardy been a product of the system or can he beat double teams regularly. It really does help when Johnson and Star were taking all those double teams.

 

I think Hardy is a beast and is defintely worth that big contract.  And I would be all for giving it to him if we did not already have $15M a season tied up in CJ.

 

You just have to make hard and smart decisions for the team in a salary cap environment.....even if it means letting a very good player walk.

[Ship]

Let him walk and pick up Tuck for 2 years

[carpanfan96]

Let him walk and pick up Tuck for 2 years

 

I think Tuck would cost around 8 a year for a couple seasons. He's 30 but he's also coming off an 11 sack, 2 ff season. 

[jptaylor84]

I think Tuck would cost around 8 a year for a couple seasons. He's 30 but he's also coming off an 11 sack, 2 ff season.

Michael Bennett Seahawks and Michael Johnson bengals are both free agents who would be cheaper than hardy and for just as good production aswel as allow us to improve other positions

[carpanfan96]

Michael Bennett Seahawks and Michael Johnson bengals are both free agents who would be cheaper than hardy and for just as good production aswel as allow us to improve other positions

 

I think Bennett would be a good-great signing, but Johnson I wouldn't sign. While I like the Bennett signing saying he would get 15 sacks and be in the top 5 in pressures and QB hits like Hardy was is going a bit far. 

[jptaylor84]

I think Bennett would be a good-great signing, but Johnson I wouldn't sign. While I like the Bennett signing saying he would get 15 sacks and be in the top 5 in pressures and QB hits like Hardy was is going a bit far.

I didn't say he would get that I said he would give same sort of production! Lets not forget hardy had an 8 sack season going into last two games, Bennett would be a steal but i see Seattle bringing him back

[Kakarot]

With the way Hardy is talking, I feel any offer Getts throws at him is going to seem like an insult to him.  He wants top DE money, which means making more than CJ.

[CelticCat]

Are you kidding me?

 

Munny and Edwards were mid to low tier FA's who could not garner a big contract on the open market.  Hardy is exactly the opposite.

 

If you think Hardy will come back and take a lower contract...you are kidding yourself.

 

I'm not saying Hardy won't get paid, what I'm saying is Gman has proven to be a shrewder more finesse GM than Hurney ever was. No way Hurney would have played the game Gman did with Munny and Edwards in FA last year. Hurney would have overpaid both again and put is in deeper doo doo.

 

Gman isn't gonna come out and say we NEED to get him resigned to the press and lose contract leverage. He will play the game and tag him if we need to.

 

I don't see this as a situation where Greg walks for nothing like Pep did.

[CelticCat]

Problem is that Hardy will demand 12-13M per season (at least).  We already have CJ at over $15M .

 

You CANNOT have over 20% of our cap space tied up in the DE position.

 

And do NOT say a back-end loaded contract....that only makes the cap hell in the future even worse.

 

But almost every contract signed by top tier players is back end loaded. Look around the league.

 

The idea would be to have Hardy with a manageable cap number for 2 years. By the time his large numbers kick in you have all this dead cap off the books we're being charged for guys like Gross, Beason, Godfrey or whomever.

[CelticCat]

Honestly the question is that has Hardy been a product of the system or can he beat double teams regularly. It really does help when Johnson and Star were taking all those double teams.

 

Well, he had 11 sacks with trash in the middle last year. Not every DE beats double teams regularly either, its why when LT's are struggling teams use RB's and TE's to chip the ends and help out.

 

Its hard to find DE's that aren't so one dimensional, Hardy plays the run well too.

[Snake]

Well, he had 11 sacks with trash in the middle last year. Not every DE beats double teams regularly either, its why when LT's are struggling teams use RB's and TE's to chip the ends and help out.

 

Its hard to find DE's that aren't so one dimensional, Hardy plays the run well too.

 

Very good point about the run.