Knox Bardeen of BR says we HAVE to re-sign Hardy

[Creepster]

Sick of hearing about Hardy.  We have bigger positions of need than one defensive end.

[jptaylor84]

You obviously don't understand how cap space works. And no he didn't turn down 10 million he supposedly turned down 8 million. I have already pointed out how we can have a cap hit of 5 or 6 million. Just consider that the signing bonus is prorated over the life of a contract and since you are giving him tens of millions, his salary is nothing in year 1. Most of his salary in years 3 and beyond is not guaranteed so you are just giving him his number with no need to have to actually pay it.

You post is so off base otherwise it is hard to know where to start. He won't get a Charles Johnson contract and everyone knows it. Comparing him to JJ Watt who is a OLB not a hand in the dirt DE is comparing apples to oranges. Still who has more sacks? that would be Hardy.

And the whole idea that we don't need a great pass rush if we make the secondary better is not born out by facts. No pass rush makes every secondary look bad. But a great pass rush makes every secondary look good just like it did for us this year. Particularly playing zone which absolutely requires a great pass rush. So no you are totally upside on that point.

No but the pass rush we have takes away how bad our secondary actually is, so If it's improved vastly then it makes hardys loss less hurtful to the defense! We will still have CJ and depth, plus the DTs will be better for a years experience, I'm just not buying into the whole end of the world scenario if he goes, as I said id love to keep him if it can be done, but how the hell do you resign cam to an extension and fill all the roster? that's why everyone is on about tag and trading him so I guess I'm not the only dumb fug on here, people are saying this cause the majority are saying we any afford to keep him, they could let hardy walk and go get a free agent like Michael Bennett with the little cap space we have. Until we get shot of Stewart and dwill a contracts we can't be offering out the kind of contracts that hardy wants, and my bad on the jj watt comparison totally went off theme there.

[csx]

 Comparing him to JJ Watt who is a OLB not a hand in the dirt DE is comparing apples to oranges.  

 JJ Watt is a 3-4 DE.

[panthers55]

No but the pass rush we have takes away how bad our secondary actually is, so If it's improved vastly then it makes hardys loss less hurtful to the defense! We will still have CJ and depth, plus the DTs will be better for a years experience, I'm just not buying into the whole end of the world scenario if he goes, as I said id love to keep him if it can be done, but how the hell do you resign cam to an extension and fill all the roster? that's why everyone is on about tag and trading him so I guess I'm not the only dumb fug on here, people are saying this cause the majority are saying we any afford to keep him, they could let hardy walk and go get a free agent like Michael Bennett with the little cap space we have. Until we get shot of Stewart and dwill a contracts we can't be offering out the kind of contracts that hardy wants, and my bad on the jj watt comparison totally went off theme there.

There is no reason for an "either or" point of view. If we have a great pass rush the idea is to keep it and improve the secondary at the same time. That way you improve the defense in the only area where we struggled this year.  The whole tag and trade him is a fall back position to get something for him if you are not going to keep him.  There is no way we can afford to tag him and pay him that amount. So the tag is to try and get a draft pick for him rather than let him walk.  But honestly it is very unlikely to happen because all Hardy has to do is not sign his tender which means we can't trade him since he isn't ours to trade.  Sure he would have to sit out but he could hold out for the first 10 games and then sign and play the last 6 and still get credit for the year.  Plus we are still on the hook for his cap hit whether he signs or not I think.

 

And apparently I was off base on Watt also.  He is listed as a 3-4 DE which is analogous to our DT.

On another note, we will have 25 million in cap space this year once we restructure a few of them.  Godfrey saves up to 5 million alone. 

[panthers55]

 JJ Watt is a 3-4 DE.

True that.  They also don't get the money a 4-3 DE makes.

[jptaylor84]

Are we going to cut Godfrey? I did like him and he and Mitchell would work well together.

[QCkilla]

Is anyone else worried about Hardy getting paid and taking it easy? He seems really motivated to get a big payday, but what happens once he gets it? Is the motivation still at the same level?

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[top dawg]

Is anyone else worried about Hardy getting paid and taking it easy? He seems really motivated to get a big payday, but what happens once he gets it? Is the motivation still at the same level?

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I wouldn't say "worried", but concerned. That's why I mentioned the "risks" that come with signing Hardy to a big contract.  Hopefully he will follow C.J.'s lead.

[micnificent28]

You know....I see to many people on here utter the words i trust gettleman to much. How can you trust someone u've only been on one date with? We have no idea how he operates. We've had one offseason one draft with the guy. Trust must be earned and i haven't enuff of the guy to trust him to wash his hands after he goes to the bathroom,non the less guide my franchise. He's done well so far but easy on trusting this guy.

[QCkilla]

I wouldn't say "worried", but concerned. That's why I mentioned the "risks" that come with signing Hardy to a big contract. Hopefully he will follow C.J.'s lead.

Hopefully, but his attitude issues in college scare me. It's easy to play your ass off when there's $60+ million dangling in front of you. It's a lot harder when that money is in your pocket.

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[panthers55]

Hardy has improved each year and he is only going to get better. He doesn't seem like the personality to just take it easy now that he got paid. He is not the normal kind of player.