Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Q & A with G-man, courtesy of Observer's Jones (edited with more commentary re: draft strategy)

top dawg

By top dawg,
in Carolina Panthers

Recommended Posts

MHS831 Grand Master

MHS831

Posted
Posted

GTFO

Key words:  MAY INCLUDE

 

He is simply telling his roster to work hard this offseason--you are getting your chance in 2014.  Why would the GM be making definitive statements about the roster in January?  He wouldn't.  What he said was motivating for these guys--good psychology.  If he said, "We are going to bring in a top free agent and draft a WR pretty high" what message does that send King and McNutt?

 

And they have potential and they need a chance to show what they are about.  And don't forget that Gettlemen has an eye for talent. When was the last time this team had 3 undrafted rookies contribute? (Horton, Lester, and White).

Link to comment
Share on other sites
DaCityKats Newbie

DaCityKats

Posted
Posted

But most don't and it could have everything to do with playing time--so we both could be right here.  The first rounders play because they have to, but you do not hear of fifth rounders (I think these guys were) taking the league by storm very often.  However, playing time is the only way to show the world you are developing and it is tough to develop without it.  Aaron Dobson is a good example--he was terrible at the beginning of the season in NE, but they had no choice but to play him.  By the end of the season, a different player. 

 

McNutt made a catch (out of bounds in the end zone) during the season and I remember thinking, "Why is he not in there more?"  We are really in the dark.

 

i agree, the way you develop is by getting playing time. Kenny Stills is a 5th rounder from this past draft and he had 32 catches with 5 TDs. developing but contributing at the same time. and a lot of other rookie WRs had contributions to their teams as well, so that is not really an excuse to expect a rookie WR to contribute.

 

that McNutt catch is a great example of why i question the coaching still. he shown something that no other WR can do on this roster, but only played like 5 snaps this season.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
MHS831 Grand Master

MHS831

Posted
Posted

i agree, the way you develop is by getting playing time. Kenny Stills is a 5th rounder from this past draft and he had 32 catches with 5 TDs. developing but contributing at the same time. and a lot of other rookie WRs had contributions to their teams as well, so that is not really an excuse to expect a rookie WR to contribute.

 

that McNutt catch is a great example of why i question the coaching still. he shown something that no other WR can do on this roster, but only played like 5 snaps this season.

 

I think we may have something in McNutt, and I think Gettlemen's statement (in agreement with your position) may have been aimed at the coaching staff as much as anything.  I have less confidence in King, but maybe he steps up.  Gotta play him to find out.

 

Gettlemen made a similar comment recently about Klein and Barner.  He described how Klein was not the 11th man when he played, but he contributed--getting tackles and sacks.  He stated that Barner is behind a stacked position, but that is really not what he meant, in my opinion.  Rivera did not want to use Barner because he fumbled in the preseason twice--my opinion here. Gettlemen probably thinks that he needs to develop his young talent.  Rivera was winning with the veterans, but you need to have more confidence in your youth.  I think Gettlemen would like for the coach to give these players some experience during the season, instead of relying on veterans.  He needs to assess his own roster, and can't if they do not play.  In addition, we were not performing at WR, so there is no reason NOT to plug McNutt or King into the game here or there.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
DaCityKats Newbie

DaCityKats

Posted
Posted

I think we may have something in McNutt, and I think Gettlemen's statement (in agreement with your position) may have been aimed at the coaching staff as much as anything.  I have less confidence in King, but maybe he steps up.  Gotta play him to find out.

 

Gettlemen made a similar comment recently about Klein and Barner.  He described how Klein was not the 11th man when he played, but he contributed--getting tackles and sacks.  He stated that Barner is behind a stacked position, but that is really not what he meant, in my opinion.  Rivera did not want to use Barner because he fumbled in the preseason twice--my opinion here. Gettlemen probably thinks that he needs to develop his young talent.  Rivera was winning with the veterans, but you need to have more confidence in your youth.  I think Gettlemen would like for the coach to give these players some experience during the season, instead of relying on veterans.  He needs to assess his own roster, and can't if they do not play.  In addition, we were not performing at WR, so there is no reason NOT to plug McNutt or King into the game here or there.

 

sounds like we got Fox v.2. just thinking of plays on the top of my head where one of the younger guys could have made some big plays. those little swing/bubble screens to the RB in ATL Barner doesnt not get caught from behind like Dwill. struggle in the red-zone, you a 6'3 guy that excels in jump ball situations in McNutt. zone read with Kapernick to keep you in the game, Klein makes a tackle instead of him walking in for 6. that was beef with McNutt and King not getting any time or reps as well, wasnt like Ginn and LaFell was setting the world on fire while playing.

 

i think WR should be brought in early tho, someone that can run the entire tree.

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
MHS831 Grand Master

MHS831

Posted
Posted

 

 

i think WR should be brought in early tho, someone that can run the entire tree.

 

I bet my left McNutt that we do exactly that.

 

(Sorry)

 

And I do not think "Riverboat" is the best adjective for RR--"paranoid schizophrenic" might be more appropriate. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Woodie Newbie

Woodie

Posted
Posted

I doubt w'ed be a huge player in FA anyway given our cap situation.

We won't bring in high dollar FA's, but we could bring in some mid-level ones on 2-3 year deals. 

 

From mediocrity to one good year in 3 with Rivera.

And improving the record each year he's been here, culminating with a division title and playoff berth.  Rivera has earned an extension, and the players have been vocal about being completely behind him.  So if the team lets him go into the season as a lame duck, it will become an issue.   

 

I say keep the options open in case it falls apart.

Teams with aspirations to contend try to reduce distractions, not create them. 

 

If the Panthers are a juggernaut next year, lock Rivera up mid season.

He's already earned it.  We've improved every year he's been here and the team is clearly on the right path.  No reason to wait.

.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
top dawg Grand Master

top dawg

Posted
  • Author
Posted

G-man and Rivera are "old school" kinda guys, so perhaps that's why we didn't see too much of McNutt, and any of King this past season. Can they be "old school" to a fault? I can see that. It may be frustrating, but it is what it is. The past is gone. We'll have to wait and see in the future. Yeah there are a few instances of rookie receivers getting substantial snaps, but it's not necessarily the norm. Most of the time it's simply out of necessity.  Rivera (and by extension, G-man) could have been "holding them back" because he didn't see the need to put them in, but from G-man's interview it looks like McNutt's and King's time to prove that they are starting material is coming. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
teeray Rookie

teeray

Posted
Posted

I doubt w'ed be a huge player in FA anyway given our cap situation.

From mediocrity to one good year in 3 with Rivera.

I say keep the options open in case it falls apart.

If the Panthers are a juggernaut next year, lock Rivera up mid season.

It is also an issue with assistant coaches not having security. Most of your coaches will go running for more security on other coaching staffs. If someone does run, no one of any real quality will come to a job with little security.

It also makes it harder to bring in new head coaches. If you go 12-4 and reward him.with no extension, if you do make a move the next season most decent coaches wouldn't touch the job because management does not take care of their coaches.

It also undermines a head coaches authority and sends signals to players that they have no faith in the head coach.

Also coaches will spend more time trying to secure future employment, rather than be completely focused on the team.

It is never good business to let a coach go lame duck, and is a different dynamic with players contracts, so that is apples and oranges.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing
×
×
  • Create New...