Yahoo contributor Jonathan Wagner on Nicks.

[Camsfanclub]

that's funny, considering Hixon got more than that

to be fair theyll probably play the same role LOL. Really though dont waste cap on this loser.

[EightyNine]

1yr/1 mil with incentives.

Those would have to be some pretty amazing incentives...

[Peppers90 NC]

to be fair theyll probably play the same role LOL. Really though dont waste cap on this loser.

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[rayzor]

Red:

 

Proven wrong? Do you really think that rookie wide receivers have a good track record of immediate success in the NFL? Because if not, the only thing you've proven is that you are a petulant friendless nuisance that is universally hated here at the Huddle. Everyone. Hates. You. Why don't you just leave? Find some other forum to "gift" your 10,000 "pearls of wisdom."

 

All you do have in your quiver is straw man arguments, personal attacks, and baseless accusations (you apparently can't decide if I am a "lurker" or I have been banned). And anyway, how can I be a "lurker" if I am posting? That doesn't make any sense.

 

i said knock it off.

 

you don't listen this time and you can no longer say that you haven't been banned.

 

i see this go into other threads and i can promise you that you'll get a vacation from the huddle.

[top dawg]

Players have been getting big contracts, and disappointing long before the 2013 season.

 

If you are going to make that kind of argument about the market for receivers, then I guess the market value for quarterbacks should be going down as well since some of them recently haven't lived up to their quite sizable contracts, right? I don't see either going down in price anytime soon.

 

I understand your point, but it's a lot more difficult to acquire a perceived franchise QB than it is to obtain an above average WR, so most GMs/owners are willing to pay more for their field general that is ultimately at the center of keeping the chains moving, even if they are only the prototypical game manager that minimizes mistakes. Moreover, there are just more good WRs than good QBs,

 

It remains to be seen if contracts will decrease for WRs this year, but don't be surprised when Eric Decker, Doug Baldwin, Golden Tate and Hakeem Nicks aren't paid crazy money like last year.  I see the top guy getting paid maybe 8-9 mil at most, and Nicks ain't that guy.  The days of breaking the bank for inconsistent and sometimes marginal playmakers may be done. One thing that I am fairly sure about, is that at least our GM won't be bending over with his ass to the table, unless he's mooning a mofo for asking for too much money.

[TheRed]

I understand your point, but it's a lot more difficult to acquire a perceived franchise QB than it is to obtain an above average WR, so most GMs/owners are willing to pay more for their field general that is ultimately at the center of keeping the chains moving, even if they are only the prototypical game manager that minimizes mistakes. Moreover, there are just more good WRs than good QBs,

 

It remains to be seen if contracts will decrease for WRs this year, but don't be surprised when Eric Decker, Doug Baldwin, Golden Tate and Hakeem Nicks aren't paid crazy money like last year.  I see the top guy getting paid maybe 8-9 mil at most, and Nicks ain't that guy.  The days of breaking the bank for inconsistent and sometimes marginal playmakers may be done. One thing that I am fairly sure about, is that at least our GM won't be bending over with his ass to the table, unless he's mooning a mofo for asking for too much money.

 

I guess it depends on what you define as an above average WR. It isn't as easy as you make it sound, just ask Marty Hurney about it. There are currently two WR's in the NFL with 100+ million dollar contracts, and numerous other guys in the 30-60 million range.

 

Out of those guys you mentioned, I see Decker getting a decent payday. Tate, and Baldwin will get looks too, but nothing huge.

 

Nicks is still an unknown, but I just don't see him getting paid as small as some here are predicting.

[PantherFanOne]

With Nicks' talent and past success, it seems likely that somebody other than the Giants will pay him this offseason. He's still young, proven and probably the most talented wide receiver on the market.

The other top free agent wide receivers are Denver’s Eric Decker, Philadelphia’s Jeremy Maclin and Seattle’s Golden Tate. It’s not exactly a star-studded class.

There will be someone out there who thinks Nicks is the best bet of the bunch because there are some who believe Nicks can be the dominant receiver he was in 2010 and '11 if he's in the right situation.

“I think he’s a hell of a football player,” said Redskins defensive coordinator Jim Haslett, who faces Nicks and the Giants twice each season. “He’s big, athletic, obviously fast and strong.

“When he’s healthy, he’s one of the better ones in the league. Obviously he hasn’t been healthy for two years. To me, when he’s healthy, he’s scary. I think his issue is just health.”

Different strokes for different folks. It just goes to show that the perception on Nicks right now is all over the map.

[carolinarolls]

Tar Heel or not, the guy has skill, size, speed, and hands.

 

if motivation is a problem, a benefit of the doubt can be given, given the circumstances in NY

 

he may want out of there.

 

Anybody remember a perennial probowler we had on our team once who seemed to mail it in up to a point where he clearly wanted to get out of town?

 

 

[Panthers111]

I think Nicks just gave up this year. A combination of Cruz getting the big contract instead of himself and the giants sucking balls this year. I would say he is still a tier #1/2 WR. Sign him for like 4-5mil would be fair for both sides. 

[top dawg]

With Nicks' talent and past success, it seems likely that somebody other than the Giants will pay him this offseason. He's still young, proven and probably the most talented wide receiver on the market.

The other top free agent wide receivers are Denver’s Eric Decker, Philadelphia’s Jeremy Maclin and Seattle’s Golden Tate. It’s not exactly a star-studded class.

There will be someone out there who thinks Nicks is the best bet of the bunch because there are some who believe Nicks can be the dominant receiver he was in 2010 and '11 if he's in the right situation.

“I think he’s a hell of a football player,” said Redskins defensive coordinator Jim Haslett, who faces Nicks and the Giants twice each season. “He’s big, athletic, obviously fast and strong.

“When he’s healthy, he’s one of the better ones in the league. Obviously he hasn’t been healthy for two years. To me, when he’s healthy, he’s scary. I think his issue is just health.”

Different strokes for different folks. It just goes to show that the perception on Nicks right now is all over the map.

 

When you use part of someone else's work, it's customary to attribute it to them. I came here to post quotes from this piece byJordan Raanan of nj.com, and discovered that your post was the last part of his article.  

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway...Raanan did bring up other points in his piece, "Hakeem Nicks: The NFL's perception of the Giants' free-agent wide receiver", that ultimately lends to Red's belief that someone is going to pay Nicks top dollar:

 

I asked a handful of personnel executives, scouts and coaches about Nicks at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., this week. Some appear undeterred by his lackluster season; others are concerned.

One NFL personnel executive told NJ.com that the perception around the league is that Nicks dogged it this past season. He didn't provide full effort in order to protect himself heading into free agency.

That same executive still didn't think it was a deal-breaker in free agency. He believed there remains a realistic chance that there is a team out there that would pay Nicks the sizable contract he's looking for on the free-agent market.

That seems to be one camp. Another appears to be those who believe that Nicks’ lack of production and performance was a result of lingering injuries and the Giants offense's overall ineptitude.

 

 

 

 

I personally wouldn't pay the guy top dollar if I were a GM, particularly not for any appreciable length of time, but some team may bite.  He may get that $10-12 mil he's looking for, and if he does that means the market is forever screwed. The $8-9 mil range seems more likely, but I don't think that G-man necessary rolls like that.  He's already "poor--mouthing" in reference to Hardy, and FA in general. Would all parties involved agree to a $5-6 mil shorter term deal that is akin to a test try? Perhaps. How bad does Nicks want to play in his hometown? Is a discount the order of the day? Maybe.

 

Like I alluded to before, never in this world is Nicks signing for Brandon LaFell money. If you believe that then, you also believe in the Tooth Fairy.  GMs are already making excuses for Nicks even before coming to the table.