Draft: Ideal position value by round

[chknwing]

trading down in the 2nd round makes sense for a cap challenged team. the talent drop off from 28th to say 34th isnt significant yet the cap figure drops by $2-3 Million total for 4 years. I think gettlemen will be considering moving back for this reason alone.

[Man Strength]

trading down in the 2nd round makes sense for a cap challenged team. the talent drop off from 28th to say 34th isnt significant yet the cap figure drops by $2-3 Million total for 4 years. I think gettlemen will be considering moving back for this reason alone.

 

Im all for a move back.  pick up an extra 3rd round pick.  

 

how many WR would you take in the first 5 rounds?  Ive seen mocks where IMHO the best value at each of our first 3 picks is a WR.  I think thats too much youth at the same position, but value is value...

 

I just really hope that Gettleman doesnt draft:

 

DE

OG

S

CB

C

OLB

 

that would absolutely kill me.  

 

While the value was very obviously there with Star last year, and in hindsight Short, I hope that was Gettleman also saying that he is no dummy and knew we had a major hole and he wanted to fix that.  If that is true, then expect heavy WR/OT this year

[chknwing]

Im all for a move back.  pick up an extra 3rd round pick.  

 

how many WR would you take in the first 5 rounds?  Ive seen mocks where IMHO the best value at each of our first 3 picks is a WR.  I think thats too much youth at the same position, but value is value...

 

I just really hope that Gettleman doesnt draft:

 

DE

OG

S

CB

C

OLB

 

that would absolutely kill me.  

 

While the value was very obviously there with Star last year, and in hindsight Short, I hope that was Gettleman also saying that he is no dummy and knew we had a major hole and he wanted to fix that.  If that is true, then expect heavy WR/OT this year

 

I wouldnt take a WR in the first 2 rounds, trade back pick up an extra 3rd

 

I would get,

 

2nd TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins

2nd OT Jack Mewhort

3rd  OT Morgan Moses

3rd  WR Brandon Coleman

[AceBoogie]

Sign Nicks

1. OT

2. WR

3. TE

4. CB

5. QB

6. BPA

7. BPA

[mbarbour21]

Yes I would consider it if it is the BPA in the 2nd round. I wouldn't force it though. If the OT is better than the WR in the 2nd go OT, if not, absolutely double dip again. If we did it right, then we would be set for the foreseeable future at WR.

Agreed, we don't need to force draft picks. That's how people lose out. You have to take BPA within your need.

[raleigh-panther]

Hope by WR, TE is included

This team would benefit a lot from a quality TE. Fast and can catch. Able to block would help too

Ask yourselves too, what happens if Olsen goes down. We can't live with Brockel and Hartsock and Olsen isn't getting any younger. Live and die with depth in this league.

Need and rank have to match in the draft....my thought, if the number one TE is there and a sure thing that gets taken over lesser ranked in other positions

Newton with two TEs, lethal

[Carolina Cajun]

(based on other threads, figured I could post this here instead of draft forum)

 

I have done more mocks than is healthy on the two mock draft sites: http://first-pick.com/NFL/DraftGame.aspx and http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock

 

As such, in a very unscientific way, I have found certain talent depths and tiers per position along with my own amateur scouting using reports and watching video- http://draftbreakdown.com/video/

 

I also obviously have opinions on what we need (certainly WR/OT/CB, probably in that order), but I think the draft value is the best way to determine what we pick where.  So, from a macro level, i believe the best round by round drafting is:

 

1 - WR/OT - The top OT are likely to go before us, and the high impact WR will be gone by our 2nd round pick.  If an OT is there, say Lewan, ok take him, but otherwise we would be wise to take a WR.  After Watkins/Evans there is a group of about 6 WR which are all different style players but should have similar value.  After the first 5/6 OT (6 depending how you feel about Antonio Richardson, who very well may be gone by #28 anyways), there is significant depth at the position and you can get someone in the 3/4th at similar on a similar enough level as someone in the 1st.

 *Benjamin, Cooks, Landry, Mathews, Robinson / Lewan, Richardson

 

2- WR - unless you are a big Moncrief fan and truly think he will drop to the 3rd, its highly likely that most other likely rookie contributors will be gone by our 3 round pick.  Thus its risky to wait and I personally would would to lock in the WR value.  

 *really depends who falls

 

3- OT/WR - which ever position you didnt take in the first, you take here.  You should find solid OT value, and the WR value takes a serious nosedive after the 3rd. 

 *Hurst, Moses, Bitonio, Henderson / Moncrief, Davis, Richardson

 ** may be some intersting TE still available, so can go TE instead of WR

 

4- OT - We will need another OT in a year or two if not this year anyways, so best to go ahead and get one now. By the 5th, the liklehood of finding a non-project OT is very slim. 

 *Bitonio, Henderson, James......

 

5- CB - I dont think our zone system needs top end corner talent and Im not blown away by whats available this year.  That said we need secondary help and the backend of this draft is very deep with interesting talent.  There are a number of nice looking small school prospects as well

 * too many to list.  someone big who can tackle

 

6- CB/FS

 * see above, also add in FS (prefer CB, as FS or SS is easier to fill in FA)

 

7- FS/CB/DE - really depends who is available.  DE talent sucks this year, but some interesting late round options as you can never have too many sack artists. 

 *crapshoot

 

I've been a huge proponent of drafting OL, but you bring up a great point as to why to wait on drafting O-line.  If the draft played out as you projected, I would not be upset in the least.  I also like the fact that you're the only other person I've noticed that understand the lack of need for top end CB talent.  We do need to get CB's, but in the zone scheme, guys that can understand the defense and hold their zone for 2-3 seconds is more important than guys that can shut down a top receiver.  It's exactly why Darrelle Revis had a down year, man guy in zone scheme.  Remember, we got a starting CB at times this year (Melvin White) as an UDFA in his first season, and the reason he transitioned so well was he played a lot zone in college and was a hard hitter.

[micnificent28]

 

1st: CB or OT

2nd: OT or CB

3rd OG

4th WR

5th TE

6th S

7th OLB or DE

7th Oline or CB

 

The fug is this...

[Goondal]

Just go BPA at the three positions of needs until they are adequately filled.

[PhillyB]

running back with our first-rounder plz

[Car123]

The fug is this...

What's wrong with it?

[lola]

Benjamin please!

[micnificent28]

What's wrong with it?

Better question is whats right with it. Your ignoring our biggest need until the 4th round? So your good with lafell being the number 2 next year and not upgrading the skilled positions on offense until the 4th? The fact that our offense was terrible is the reason we lost 2 the 49ers. With amini and kug coming back i dout the need on the ol is as great as you make it out to be. Besides its a deep draft in terms of OT. I don't see us picking a CB before round 3 at the earliest. If it aint broke dont fix it. And the defense is fine. All of our picks this past draft were almost all on defense i exspect the exact opposite this year.

[MHS831]

(based on other threads, figured I could post this here instead of draft forum)

 

I have done more mocks than is healthy on the two mock draft sites: http://first-pick.com/NFL/DraftGame.aspx and http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock

 

As such, in a very unscientific way, I have found certain talent depths and tiers per position along with my own amateur scouting using reports and watching video- http://draftbreakdown.com/video/

 

I also obviously have opinions on what we need (certainly WR/OT/CB, probably in that order), but I think the draft value is the best way to determine what we pick where.  So, from a macro level, i believe the best round by round drafting is:

 

1 - WR/OT - The top OT are likely to go before us, and the high impact WR will be gone by our 2nd round pick.  If an OT is there, say Lewan, ok take him, but otherwise we would be wise to take a WR.  After Watkins/Evans there is a group of about 6 WR which are all different style players but should have similar value.  After the first 5/6 OT (6 depending how you feel about Antonio Richardson, who very well may be gone by #28 anyways), there is significant depth at the position and you can get someone in the 3/4th at similar on a similar enough level as someone in the 1st.

 *Benjamin, Cooks, Landry, Mathews, Robinson / Lewan, Richardson

 

2- WR - unless you are a big Moncrief fan and truly think he will drop to the 3rd, its highly likely that most other likely rookie contributors will be gone by our 3 round pick.  Thus its risky to wait and I personally would would to lock in the WR value.  

 *really depends who falls

 

3- OT/WR - which ever position you didnt take in the first, you take here.  You should find solid OT value, and the WR value takes a serious nosedive after the 3rd. 

 *Hurst, Moses, Bitonio, Henderson / Moncrief, Davis, Richardson

 ** may be some intersting TE still available, so can go TE instead of WR

 

4- OT - We will need another OT in a year or two if not this year anyways, so best to go ahead and get one now. By the 5th, the liklehood of finding a non-project OT is very slim. 

 *Bitonio, Henderson, James......

 

5- CB - I dont think our zone system needs top end corner talent and Im not blown away by whats available this year.  That said we need secondary help and the backend of this draft is very deep with interesting talent.  There are a number of nice looking small school prospects as well

 * too many to list.  someone big who can tackle

 

6- CB/FS

 * see above, also add in FS (prefer CB, as FS or SS is easier to fill in FA)

 

7- FS/CB/DE - really depends who is available.  DE talent sucks this year, but some interesting late round options as you can never have too many sack artists. 

 *crapshoot

 

To me, it is starting to look like OT Richardson or WR Matthews/Robinson.