Can we ditch Dwill and Jstew?

[FourthWard]

Jonathan Stewart is only 26 years old and it's too early to write him off entirely.  I hope he looks to TD as an example of someone who has played his best football after missing multiple seasons due to injuries.

[Herbert The Love Bug]

Bring back poople and a. Smith on the real cheap and get rid of williams, stew, barner and tolbert

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[Herbert The Love Bug]

And cam

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[Jangler]

Bring back poople and a. Smith on the real cheap and get rid of williams, stew, barner and tolbert

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And cam

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[CRA]

Tolbert would be a fine replacement if we were dumping Stewart but we aren't. The problem is that the only guy we can get rid of based on dead cap would be Williams. Tolbert and Williams are very different players and not interchangeable.

Williams didn't take a pay cut last year and won't again. Why is that people think restructuring means a pay cut when it means converting a portion of his salary to a signing bonus not reducing what we pay him. All that goes down is his cap hit.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/panthers-save-3-2-million-cap-space-restructuring-121345904.html

Yes, restructuring is just moving money often.

DG needs to make a non emotional move with 34. Tell him they won't Hurney magic 34 and tell him the 31 RB needs to take a paycut if he wants to stay or be a June 1.

Straight up pay cuts do exist in the NFL

Cam, Tolbert, 28, Barner, and another cheap late round RB make you more diverse running than practically any NFL team if you build an OL

And a Williams June 1 cuts means you can use the cap room created despite generating dead money to use on a legit starter....say a vet lineman

[MichaelNewtonII]

Stew, dont let the door hit u on the way out

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[hdevonxz]

Is the OL really that bad? Gross is a stud still and so is Kalil, getting the guards back will really help. Bell is serviceable but nothing worth writing home about. Dwill just doesnt have the burst he used to, hes hit the wall.

is the o line that bad? lol we re signed guys we cut last off season .

[Snake]

Thanks Hurney for being the worst GM ever.

[panthers55]

Yes, restructuring is just moving money often.

DG needs to make a non emotional move with 34. Tell him they won't Hurney magic 34 and tell him the 31 RB needs to take a paycut if he wants to stay or be a June 1.

Straight up pay cuts do exist in the NFL

Cam, Tolbert, 28, Barner, and another cheap late round RB make you more diverse running than practically any NFL team if you build an OL

And a Williams June 1 cuts means you can use the cap room created despite generating dead money to use on a legit starter....say a vet lineman

It isn't that easy. When we restructured last year and converted salary to signing bonus they added 2 years to his contract through 2017. Those 2 years are dummy years as his contract will void after 2015. Still the effect is to add 2.2 million in dead cap space per year for those 2 years. So if you keep him through 2015 you spread out the cap hit over the next 4 years or you cut him as a June 1st and it accelerates to roughly 5 million a year in 2014 and 2015. Given his cap hit for 2014 is 6 million you save very little. In 2015 it is similar I believe.

[Leeroy Jenkins PhD]

I do not know what is up with Stewart.  I have heard some talk that he has a degenerative ankle condition.  If this is true, and he is destined to be injured, the best thing for the team would be if he retired.  I say we stop letting him skip practices and make him run the damn ball and if he is too injured to do it, make the man retire.

 

Sorry, off on a little hate filled rant.  But, the fact that cutting Stewart cost the team $12,688,750.  in dead money if we cut him is crazy and frustrating.  Especially considering that he played like 3 quarters of football this year and is the 8th highest paid RB in the NFL!

[CRA]

It isn't that easy. When we restructured last year and converted salary to signing bonus they added 2 years to his contract through 2017. Those 2 years are dummy years as his contract will void after 2015. Still the effect is to add 2.2 million in dead cap space per year for those 2 years. So if you keep him through 2015 you spread out the cap hit over the next 4 years or you cut him as a June 1st and it accelerates to roughly 5 million a year in 2014 and 2015. Given his cap hit for 2014 is 6 million you save very little. In 2015 it is similar I believe.

I keep forgetting DG Hurneymagic'd him last year. Should of remembered, Gantt commented on that earlier this week.

[Creepster]

Do we know with certainty that there are no buyout clauses in either of these guys contracts about " failure to perform or unable to perform"?  If there arent that just makes no sense to me - how can you have a guy peddling away on the sidelines for 4 years earning tens of millions of dollars?

[Ricky Spanish]

Honestly, I'm sick of all of our running backs not named Tolbert at this point. They are vastly overpaid, not producing, and not staying on the field. DWill is aging, stewart is always hurt, and like i said in the offseason, I don't see anything special about Barner in the slightest. This is the reason I will now and forever hate marty hurney, because he bent us over a barrel and raped us with RB contracts. RB's are a dime a dozen in the league these days, you can have 3 backs that specialize in one aspect of a RB and pay them all for peanuts. look at what NO has been able to do with no true #1 back. Pats too. 

 

honestly, I say grab a guy we're high on in the mid to late rounds and just let our current stable go, keep Tolbert (and barner just because he's a cheap body) and move on with the franchise past the dark era that was Marty Hurney's retarded contracts. we're already paying stew not to play, might as well acquire someone useful in his place. Williams can be a June 1st cut and spread his cap hit over two years, then we just Move on. 

[SteveSmithGaveMeAShiner]

Honestly, I'm sick of all of our running backs not named Tolbert at this point. They are vastly overpaid, not producing, and not staying on the field. DWill is aging, stewart is always hurt, and like i said in the offseason, I don't see anything special about Barner in the slightest. This is the reason I will now and forever hate marty hurney, because he bent us over a barrel and raped us with RB contracts. RB's are a dime a dozen in the league these days, you can have 3 backs that specialize in one aspect of a RB and pay them all for peanuts. look at what NO has been able to do with no true #1 back. Pats too. 

 

honestly, I say grab a guy we're high on in the mid to late rounds and just let our current stable go, keep Tolbert (and barner just because he's a cheap body) and move on with the franchise past the dark era that was Marty Hurney's retarded contracts. we're already paying stew not to play, might as well acquire someone useful in his place. Williams can be a June 1st cut and spread his cap hit over two years, then we just Move on. 

 

How do you plan to "let our current stable go" and have any cap room left to do anything? It's far cheaper to keep Stewart on the roster and on the sidelines than it would be to cut him and pay a replacement (even a replacement making minimum salary.)