DG: We are still cap challenged....RR: Coaches staying

[jdpanther5]

 

An alternative that makes sense to me would be to tender Hardy. Even if we use the non-exclusive franchise tag, if we want someone to match it they would have to pay up a pair of first rounders, and I don't see that happening. A tender, however, would basically allow us to dangle Hardy for a draft pick without committing an exorbitant amount of money. Here are the tender amounts and compensation for 2013 (unsure of 2014 just yet, but it'll likely be similar).

 

$2.9 million - 1st round compensation

$2 million - 2nd round

$1.3 million - Original draft round (Hardy would be a 6th)

 

Here's an example relevant to the Panthers:

 

• Team declining to match offer sheet. Carolina Panthers cornerback Ricky Manning, Jr. was a restricted free agent in the 2006 offseason. Based on the tender placed on Manning by the Panthers, the team would receive a third-round pick in the NFL Draft if Manning signed with another team. On April 21, the Chicago Bears signed Manning to an offer sheet - a five-year contract worth up to $23 million. Although the Panthers had a full week to decide if they wanted to match the offer sheet, they announced on April 24 that they would not match. At this time, Manning became a member of the Bears and the Panthers received a third-round draft choice in the 2006 draft from Chicago.

 

Manning was drafted in the third, so we received a third for not matching the Bears' offer. Similarly, if we really want to put Hardy out there I think the 1st round tender makes most sense. If someone bites, we get a first round pick OR we can match any offers he may get. If no one bites, we get Hardy for about $3 million. Obviously, he wouldn't like this, but it would give us leverage in the negotiation process since he'd have to choose between playing a year under the $3 million tender or getting a reasonable deal done.

 

[carolina-chuck]

Gettleman took this job. He better be up for the challenge.

[Zod]

This was his first time as an OC in the new NFL. What he did 11-13 years has no bearing on this year or going forward.

Lol

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[Zod]

My god! How can people justify having a 28th ranked offense with Cam Newton? It's just not conceivable, really.

Only in the Huddle.

Never thought I'd see the day that people support Shulaball. Shulaball is not something to be lauded. It should be scorned. It's like being forced to take castor oil. There is a better way!

Our offense's goal is not scoring points or gaining yards.

Want to know when your offense stinks? You have to dig deep for largely meaningless stats to justify it while scorning the stats we have all used to measure offenses for decades.

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[stirs]

The only way I see us keeping Hardy is with Dwill or Stewart retiring.  I think we get a break if a player retires.

[Zod]

Oh. I get it. The "new" NFL makes all the difference. Shula has been on the sidelines of the "new" NFL presumably learning, adapting and even creating "new" philosophies to be successful in this "new" era. I don't see evidence that he has done anything of the sort. His imagination and creativity in play calling just wreaks of the 1990s, at best.

One thing that you can say about Rivera is that the team did improve once he got here, and improved every year that he has been here. Shula, who should have had a near seamless transition, has the offense near the bottom of the league. Our offense which was first in big plays in 2012, was dead last in big plays in 2013. That's the fact, and it sucks, just like Shula did in the old NFL, and so far in the "new" NFL.

Next year will only be his second year in the new NFL.

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[jptaylor84]

This may sound crazy but didn't the texans say thy are open to trading or giving up there #1 pick? It's not out of the realms of possibility they would like to put jj watt and hardy on the same page

[rippadonn]

Yeah, Shula needs to add more of the vertical offense back into the playbook. Cam was good at making those kind of throws down field. If you don't set the protection properly though Cam takes sacks. Shula's conservatism has yielded a better TOP but boy do we miss those points!

[EightyNine]

[fieryprophet]

 

 

An alternative that makes sense to me would be to tender Hardy. Even if we use the non-exclusive franchise tag, if we want someone to match it they would have to pay up a pair of first rounders, and I don't see that happening. A tender, however, would basically allow us to dangle Hardy for a draft pick without committing an exorbitant amount of money. Here are the tender amounts and compensation for 2013 (unsure of 2014 just yet, but it'll likely be similar).

 

$2.9 million - 1st round compensation

$2 million - 2nd round

$1.3 million - Original draft round (Hardy would be a 6th)

 

Here's an example relevant to the Panthers:

 

• Team declining to match offer sheet. Carolina Panthers cornerback Ricky Manning, Jr. was a restricted free agent in the 2006 offseason. Based on the tender placed on Manning by the Panthers, the team would receive a third-round pick in the NFL Draft if Manning signed with another team. On April 21, the Chicago Bears signed Manning to an offer sheet - a five-year contract worth up to $23 million. Although the Panthers had a full week to decide if they wanted to match the offer sheet, they announced on April 24 that they would not match. At this time, Manning became a member of the Bears and the Panthers received a third-round draft choice in the 2006 draft from Chicago.

 

Manning was drafted in the third, so we received a third for not matching the Bears' offer. Similarly, if we really want to put Hardy out there I think the 1st round tender makes most sense. If someone bites, we get a first round pick OR we can match any offers he may get. If no one bites, we get Hardy for about $3 million. Obviously, he wouldn't like this, but it would give us leverage in the negotiation process since he'd have to choose between playing a year under the $3 million tender or getting a reasonable deal done.

 

 

Hardy is not a restricted free agent, we cannot put a tender on him. It's either the franchise tag, a new contract, or nothing.

[TheMaulClaw]

Shula had some good games and some bad games.  I think our passing offense ranking doesn't really tell the whole tale. Fifty yards a game of that comes in the form of Cam running the ball. Our running game doesn't rank high because we have good running backs. What we have is an inflated rushing offense stat. and a deflated passing offense stat.  They're both actually very middle of the road.

[jdpanther5]

Hardy is not a restricted free agent, we cannot put a tender on him. It's either the franchise tag, a new contract, or nothing.

 

All free agents are unrestricted unless they receive a tag or tender. Note a couple seasons ago: 

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6175912

 

"CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- The Carolina Panthers placed restricted free-agent tenders on 14 players on Wednesday, including running back DeAngelo Williams, defensive end Charles Johnson and quarterback Matt Moore.

 

General manager Marty Hurney declined to reveal the type of tenders each player received. Williams' agent, Jimmy Sexton, said his client received the highest tender, which would require teams to surrender first- and third-round draft picks to sign him.

 

Also given restricted tenders on Wednesday were receiver David Clowney, safety Marcus Hudson, long-snapper J.J. Jansen, defensive tackle Derek Landri, kickoff specialist Rhys Lloyd, linebacker Jordan Senn and cornerback C.J. Wilson.

The Panthers didn't extend tenders to safety Gerald Alexander, linebacker Abdul Hodge, center Chris Morris, tackle Rob Petitti and linebacker Jamar Williams. They'll be unrestricted free agents regardless of the results of the labor negotiations.

[CPF4LIFE]

Its amazing how much emotion and effort some people put in to being right about something they know nothing about.

[fieryprophet]

All free agents are unrestricted unless they receive a tag or tender. Note a couple seasons ago: 

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6175912

 

"CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- The Carolina Panthers placed restricted free-agent tenders on 14 players on Wednesday, including running back DeAngelo Williams, defensive end Charles Johnson and quarterback Matt Moore.

 

General manager Marty Hurney declined to reveal the type of tenders each player received. Williams' agent, Jimmy Sexton, said his client received the highest tender, which would require teams to surrender first- and third-round draft picks to sign him.

 

Also given restricted tenders on Wednesday were receiver David Clowney, safety Marcus Hudson, long-snapper J.J. Jansen, defensive tackle Derek Landri, kickoff specialist Rhys Lloyd, linebacker Jordan Senn and cornerback C.J. Wilson.

The Panthers didn't extend tenders to safety Gerald Alexander, linebacker Abdul Hodge, center Chris Morris, tackle Rob Petitti and linebacker Jamar Williams. They'll be unrestricted free agents regardless of the results of the labor negotiations.

 

You can only give tenders to restricted free agents. Hardy is not a RFA. If you don't give a tender to a RFA they become UFAs, that's all that sentence means.