Bay Area Writer: Kaepernick One-Read QB, Cam Actually Reads Defenses

[Heiisenberg]

team stats....for as QB like Cam who actually has some control over his offense matter.  CK is a one read QB who does whatever is called into him.  Cam audibles all kinds of plays on 3rd down (and again, the Panthers are so good b/c of Cam).

 

Check back in a bit.  I gotta run but I will go pull the numbers (got to find one more #)

 

Cam is the best running QB in the NFL.  That sets him apart and makes him better on 3rd down.  Cam isn't the best running QB b/c of a ypc or TDs.  The most impressive thing about the season he shattered the TD record wasn't the TDs......it was he lead ALL players (RBs too) in 3rd down conversions on the ground. 

 

His arm and leg, has made Carolina one of the most efficient 3rd down teams.  No QB runs on 3rd as deadly as Cam

 

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Passing&range=NFL&rank=098

 

This shows 3rd down conversions for the top 20 Qbs this year. This is just throwing though im sure. So there goes the arm part of your argument.

 

Kap is #12 at 42.3%

Cam is #14 at 41.1%

 

Also managed to find 3rd down rushing % too

Cam is #13 in the NFL 63.3%

Kap not top 20 but is #16 in the NFC at 38.7%

 

So yes Cam is clearly more effective at rushing for 3rd down conversions. Believe it or not Luck and Rodgers both have higher 3rd down conversion % with their feet.

[Evengelion]

I don't see Stephen hawking throwing screen passes or looking off safeties...bro

 

It's like saying your brain surgeon is very athletic and he got a football scholarship at Alabama but declined it. Just useless qualifications on the resume.

[CRA]

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Passing&range=NFL&rank=098

 

This shows 3rd down conversions for the top 20 Qbs this year. This is just throwing though im sure. So there goes the arm part of your argument.

 

Kap is #12 at 42.3%

Cam is #14 at 41.1%

 

Also managed to find 3rd down rushing % too

Cam is #13 in the NFL 63.3%

Kap not top 20 but is #16 in the NFC at 38.7%

 

So yes Cam is clearly more effective at rushing for 3rd down conversions. Believe it or not Luck and Rodgers both have higher 3rd down conversion % with their feet.

 

So yes, Cam is better on 3rd down

[frash.exe]

Lol

Kaepernick is 16th out of QBs in a 16 team conference in this stat!

[Evengelion]

When we drafted Colin we had just come off a losing season, so Colin didn't come into a winning team.

Also, did the Packers not not emphasize teaching Rodgers when Favre was still their? Did Walsh not emphasize teaching Young when we had Montana? 

I really don't think teams fail to properly teach backup QBs because they have a winning record. 

I agree with you. Cam has been beasting with his progression since day 1: 

Cam vs Arizona, watch his head movement. All of that without an off season. Some QBs have it and some may never get it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-XRCXAJrmQ

 

If you can get open and catch a ball, any receiver will be successful in our offense. Ask Ginn!

 

At 3:54, watch that throw to Smith. He looked at Smith then look him off and then come back to him. This game was a thing of beauty as a first game for a QB. I believe he threw for 422, completing over 60% of his passes.

[Heiisenberg]

So yes, Cam is better on 3rd down

 

Well hes better at rushing for first downs, on third down.  That's literally the only stat where he is better than Kap, on third down unless you account for overall 3rd down conversions.  Most poeple would rather have a QB who is more proficient at throwing for third downs conversions than running for them, considering throws for for more yardage.  Of course opportunities to rush for 3rd down conversions are pretty limited.  In all the plays Cam had in the entire year of 2013 41 of them were rushes for a first down.  He averages 2.5 per game. Cool.  He's thrown for 112 to Kaps 123.  Thats 7 per game to Kaps 7.6.    It's a pretty skeweed stat though because a team who gets more 3rd and short situations will naturally have many more opportunities to convert them by running.  Anyway i doubt Cam's 2.5 3rd down rushing conversions per game will matter quite as much as the 7 he gets through the air. And its through the air that Kap excels, in this stat.

 

 

Lol

Kaepernick is 16th out of QBs in a 16 team conference in this stat!

 

Actually he's 16th in the entire NFC, which includes players of all offensive positions.  Glad you are good at paying attention though.

[CRA]

Well hes better at rushing for first downs, on third down.  That's literally the only stat where he is better than Kap, on third down unless you account for overall 3rd down conversions.  Most poeple would rather have a QB who is more proficient at throwing for third downs conversions than running for them, considering throws for for more yardage.  Of course opportunities to rush for 3rd down conversions are pretty limited.  In all the plays Cam had in the entire year of 2013 41 of them were rushes for a first down.  He averages 2.5 per game. Cool.  He's thrown for 112 to Kaps 123.  Thats 7 per game to Kaps 7.6.    It's a pretty skeweed stat though because a team who gets more 3rd and short situations will naturally have many more opportunities to convert them by running.  Anyway i doubt Cam's 2.5 3rd down rushing conversions per game will matter quite as much as the 7 he gets through the air. And its through the air that Kap excels, in this stat.

 

 

 

Actually he's 16th in the entire NFC, which includes players of all offensive positions.  Glad you are good at paying attention though.

I said Newton was better on 3rd down.  He is.  Both these QBs use there arms and feet.

 

I want a team that is good at converting 3rd downs.....like Carolina, top 5.  I don't want to be in the bottom half of the league like SF.   That is all that matters.

 

Kap execels through the air?  His conversion is virtually identical to Cam's as a passer.

 

and your team not being as good on 3rd down or production per drive.....matters greatly in the type game that will be played Sunday

[frash.exe]

Actually he's 16th in the entire NFC, which includes players of all offensive positions. Glad you are good at paying attention though.

I always love chucklefugs who come on here and blame people for allegedly lacking reading comprehension when they don't know how to elaborate a point sufficiently

[Evengelion]

I tend to believe Kaepernick will improve next year as a passer but there's a reason why Cam went first overall -- his upside could be off the charts. Now, it's all coming together. As Steve Smith said earlier this year: "Cam has gone from playing checkers to chess". So while I do think Colin harbors potential and great athleticism, Newton will likely be the superior passer between the two.

Kaepernick having Crabtree, Davis, Boldin, Gore and that offensive line is very beneficial. It helps mask those deficiencies but a great defense can negate those aspects with either an absurdly good pass rush or secondary.

 

That's why they keep getting wallop by the Seahawks every turn. When the Seahawks played us, they held on by a Deangelo Williams' fumble in the redzone.

[Evengelion]

Cam has the better numbers with lesser talent. 

 

Cam is 16th in completion %. Kaep is 31st.

Cam had 3 more passing touchdowns.

Cam has more passing yards.

Cam threw 5 more interceptions.

Cam fumbled once to Kaeps 3.

Cam was sacked 14 more times than Kaep.

Cam has more rushing yards.

Cam has more rushing touchdowns.

While 28 of Kaeps runs resulted in a first down, 45 of Cams runs got a first down.

 

Cam is less boom or bust. In wins, Cam has a rating of 94.2. In losses, 74.9. Kaep has a rating of 107.6 in wins. 45.9 in losses. So typically, Cam isn't god awful during a loss. Kaep completely poos the bed and is likely the reason for the loss. 

 

In the 4th quarter, within 7 points of the other team, Cam is a 81.0 compared to a 69.4 for Kaep. 

 

Cam is a 107.1 in the third quarter and 90.3 in the fourth. Kaep is a 105 in the third and then a 65 in the fourth. 

 

Kaep has 0 TD passes to the middle of the field. Maybe this is a problem reading a defense or trusting your playmakers over the crowded middle?

 

Kaep has 2 interceptions thrown within 10 yards of the opponents end zone. Not long tosses, but starting the play on the 10 or closer or scoring and turning the ball over. 

 

In terms of passing weapons, Smith is better than Crabtree but not by much. Davis and Boldin are way better than Greg and Brandon, though. 

 

While they are indeed both in their third year, Kaep is a full two years older than Newton already and should be further in is development. Cam also took over a franchise with many holes and took many lumps. 

 

By the way, Kaep plays his worse according to the stats when facing four down linemen this year. 5 TD passes and 5 INT with his lowest completion % and lowest rating of any formation. The Panthers will be in four down linemen most of the game.

 

Just food for thought on why I believe Cam is better, but a lot of it has to deal with him having less talent around him. Alex Smith did very well in your offense before Kaep did a year ago. Alex Smith would have gotten killed here. And I am an Alex Smith fan.

Preach! That's knowledge right there!

 

[tiger7_88]

Colin did lead the niners to the SB last year and won another playoff game on the road this year. That should count for something.

 

 

 

And Kaep deserves credit for that.

 

But, again, Kaep is doing that with Crabtree, Davis, Boldin (this year), throw in a couple of quality rookies with GREAT potential (Patton and McDonald) and an OL that is easily Top 5 in the NFL.

 

Cam is achieving his with a 35 year old #1 receiver who is still good but whose better days are behind him, a #2 receiver with hands of stone and lazy route running skills (but one helluva blocker), a #3 receiver who caught TWO passes for SF in 2012, a TE that can trip on a blade of grass, and an OL made of an aging quality veteran at LT, a mid-season free-agent at LG, a Pro Bowl Center, a DT tackle playing RG, and an undrafted free agent at RT, with four other previous starters on the OL on the disabled list.

 

And Cam *still* produces more than Kaep.

[94niners]

His offensive options and talents are better than our own, yet and still his stats this season are only marginally better than Cam's.

In certain aspects of course. Kaep is a solid player. But in relation to Cam, he doesn't hold a fuging Candle.

He has better weapons NOW, but he did NOT for most of the season. Your 2nd WR has more career receptions that our previous 2nd, 3rd, and 4th COMBINED. Now that Crabtree and Patton is back, all three of those guys have been cut or traded.

Think about that: our number 2, 3 and 4 for most of the.season are no longer on the.team...

[footballisasport]

 I honestly cannot believe how many Panthers fans need validation about the real talent of a QB who works for a team that is as broken down as the Panthers and is their team. Some of you are either....I won't even bother to say it....or you're as shallow as heck. 

 

This morning I was watching those on NFLN, another network I will eventually abandon because they are simply getting ridiculous, Erik was supposedly analyzing this weekend game and saying who he's looking forward to "watching."And as usual, Cam was the only QB he's interested in WATCHING. While he's more interesting in watching how the "team" was going to handle their opponents. In other words, he was placing endless pressure on Cam, while putting the pressure on the offense of defense of the other teams and letting QBs like Colin, Russel, and Drew just play their game. 

 

[footballisasport]

He has better weapons NOW, but he did NOT for most of the season. Your 2nd WR has more career receptions that our previous 2nd, 3rd, and 4th COMBINED. Now that Crabtree and Patton is back, all three of those guys have been cut or traded.

Think about that: our number 2, 3 and 4 for most of the.season are no longer on the.team...

 

Colin is on a MUCH better team than Cam, PERIOD. The fact that the sports media is endlessly harping about all these QBs needing better weapons but Cam playing with a bunch of hodge-podge players and a Receiver who is almost 40 is quite fine with them, is very tell. They are not even trying to pretend anymore because they know there are many  Panthers fans who HATE Cam so much that they are more than willing to not only support them but feed them with their own ammo against Cam.

 

I swear some of you folks need your damn head examined because you will believe any dumb isn along as it feeds your egos.