What's different from the first meeting?

[SF-Wald]

You don't get the whole home/away game thing, do you?

Niners were home and CAR was away. Both teams barely won, although ATL needed to recover an onside to have a chance in our game. Obviously CAR was at a disadvantage by being away vs niners being home. However, I don't think this is evidence (in and of itself) that CAR is better than SF, as MtnProwler was insinuating. 

Saying "we both won but since Car was an away team we are better than you" is not solid logic/reasoning. 

Carolina is a great team, but this line of reasoning is poor. 

 

[Pox 08]

Damn.    49er fans have more excuses than any other fanbase in the NFL. 

 

"BUT BUT BUT  CRABTREE"

 

 

Deal with it.  You guys lost.  At your own house.   Your rookie got KTFO...         VD got KTFO.    Manningham was locked down.    Aldon was shut down.           

[SF-Wald]

Damn.    49er fans have more excuses than any other fanbase in the NFL. 

 

"BUT BUT BUT  CRABTREE"

 

 

Deal with it.  You guys lost.  At your own house.   Your rookie got KTFO...         VD got KTFO.    Manningham was locked down.    Aldon was shut down.           

Carolina fairly beat SF in the first matchup, no doubt about it. I'm not making excuses for that loss, but having Crab back is definitely a boost. Would CAR have still won if Crab played --- I don't know, no one does. But adding a receiver coming off a 1k season w/ 9 tds would seem to me to, at a minimum, cancel out the home field advantage. I think this game is truly a 50-50 game. I wouldn't feel confident betting on either team. 

[SF-Wald]

They can't agree with you because it would make them deal with the fact that they could very well lose. We not only beat them last time but did so in their house.  When you add that Kaepernick sucks on the road against good defenses it make their bravado even harder to understand.

I think most real 49er fans know that it is very difficult to win on the road twice in the playoffs, especially when playing a team like Carolina. I personally believe it is a 50-50 matchup and if you asked most real niners fans (not in message board trash talking) they wouldn't be guaranteeing anything. 

[MtnProwler]

Niners were home and CAR was away. Both teams barely won, although ATL needed to recover an onside to have a chance in our game. Obviously CAR was at a disadvantage by being away vs niners being home. However, I don't think this is evidence (in and of itself) that CAR is better than SF, as MtnProwler was insinuating.

Saying "we both won but since Car was an away team we are better than you" is not solid logic/reasoning.

Carolina is a great team, but this line of reasoning is poor.

Yes, to say that both games were a wash based on production/yardage is one thing if they both were playing at home but they weren't. Car was away and SF was home there is great reasoning to weigh that, to ignore home field advantage is ignorant.

[BayAreaFBFan]

I'm hearing alot of comments on how the Niners offense will be shut down/beaten up like last time.  In case you forgot, the Niners have a defense that lay beatdowns on QBs too.. As much as your defense will slow the Niners and get their sacks, you can bet Cam will be on his back and this time stud pass rusher Aldon Smith will be in for a lot more than 12 snaps.

 

 

[rodeo]

The difference from the first game is that the 49ers are giving up 20+ points per game now.

[Pox 08]

Carolina fairly beat SF in the first matchup, no doubt about it. I'm not making excuses for that loss, but having Crab back is definitely a boost. Would CAR have still won if Crab played --- I don't know, no one does. But adding a receiver coming off a 1k season w/ 9 tds would seem to me to, at a minimum, cancel out the home field advantage. I think this game is truly a 50-50 game. I wouldn't feel confident betting on either team. 

 

Does Crab play on the Oline?                      Kaep was running for his life that entire game it seemed.  He had no time to even really look for Boldin,  or VD (before he was knocked out).

 

 

The 9ers can have Rice in his prime AND Megatron,  but none of that would matter  if their qb is on his back or running for his life a second after the snap.

[Semaj]

Carolina fairly beat SF in the first matchup, no doubt about it. I'm not making excuses for that loss, but having Crab back is definitely a boost. Would CAR have still won if Crab played --- I don't know, no one does. But adding a receiver coming off a 1k season w/ 9 tds would seem to me to, at a minimum, cancel out the home field advantage. I think this game is truly a 50-50 game. I wouldn't feel confident betting on either team. 

The only problem with that argument is that you have to give Kap time to hit his receivers.  Our D line rattled him all game and if you were to be honest, you would have to admit it wouldn't have made a difference because our D line owned your All pro O line. 

[carolina-chuck]

I continue to hear about the first meeting, and it is referenced a lot for this game. There are some significant changes for the 49ers from the first matchup, but I'm not sure Panthers fans are aware of all of them. Here are a few:

 

1.) Crabtree is back. This one is obvious.

 

Kaepernick 11 games before Crabtree's return:

Record: 7-4

Attempts/Completions: 156/275

Yards: 2037

Yards Per Game: 185.18

TDs: 14

INTs: 7

Pass Rating: 86

Rush Yards: 355

Avg Yards Per Rush: 5.5

Yards Per Game: 32

TDs: 3

 

6 games since:

Record: 6-0

Attempts/Completions: 103/171

YDS: 1387 yds

Yards Per Game: 231

TDs: 8

INTs: 2

Pass Rating: 95

Rush Yds: 267

Rush Avg:  12.7yds

Yards Per Game: 45

TDs: 1

 

2.) Vernon Davis.

 

Played just 22 snaps in first game. He will be full strength for this one.

 

3.) Aldon Smith. 

 

Played 12 snaps in the first one with his head in a million different places (see: facing gun charges). Is healthy and mentally back for this one.

 

What makes this one interesting is that Dan Skuta - Smith's backup and a special teamer from the Bengals that we signed in the offseason - had his best game of the year against the Panthers. Will be interesting to see what Smith can do this time around.

 

4.) Bruce Miller.

 

He's on the IR for the season, but was rated the leagues 2nd best blocking FB before getting hurt. Not only does this hurt the running game, but he also caught a lot of balls out of the backfield. He was an outlet for Kaepernick, registering around 300 yards receiveing before getting hurt. He has been replaced by Will Tukuafu on runniung downs, who has been a surprisingly  good run blocker (even a PFF secret superstar this week https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/01/08/secret-superstars-wild-card-round/), but struggles in pass protection. And Anthiny Dixon, who has surprisingly nice hands, but isn't the blocker Tukuafu is.

 

5.) Carlos Rogers.

 

49ers Slot corner. Looks to be out this game with a hamstring injury, which is usually a bad thing, but Rogers had one of his worst games of the year vs the Panthers, and 49ers didn't play a lot of Nickel vs Panthers in game one. In Nickel/Dime just 34% of plays.

 

6.)  Eric Reid.

 

One of 3 concussions he's suffered this year was vs Panthers. The kid is talented and still learning to play at the NFL level. He missed most of the 2nd half with this game and was replaced by (gasp) Craig Dahl. Reid's improved since this game and will hopefully not lead with his head again when trying to tackle Mike Tolbert.

 

 

So, those are the changes in the 49ers I've noticed since the first meeting, what have Panthers fans noticed in the team that's changed since the first meeting.

 

 

And here, I'll just post a few things here to get them out of the way so that we can focus on the subject:

 

*No one is giving Pathers a chance, we winzzz by a landslidezzz!!!*

*Cam >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kap, we winzz!*

*Kap can't go through his progressions!*

*Crabtree won't make that much of a difference, we haz the best D in da univerzzzeee!!*

*YOUR ENTIRE TEAM IS GAY AND FROM SF LULZ, GTFO!!!!!!*

 

 

That outta at least get us started.

 

 

Cheers, fellas.

 

You know what won't differ from the first meeting?

 

 

 

 

 

[SF-Wald]

Yes, to say that both games were a wash based on production/yardage is one thing if they both were playing at home but they weren't. Car was away and SF was home there is great reasoning to weigh that, to ignore home field advantage is ignorant.

OK, CAR beat a team on the road while SF won at home. Both games were close. Obviously CAR was at little disadvantage because they were away. What are you proving/concluding based on this..? 

[carolina-chuck]

I continue to hear about the first meeting, and it is referenced a lot for this game. There are some significant changes for the 49ers from the first matchup, but I'm not sure Panthers fans are aware of all of them. Here are a few:

 

1.) Crabtree is back. This one is obvious.

 

Kaepernick 11 games before Crabtree's return:

Record: 7-4

Attempts/Completions: 156/275

Yards: 2037

Yards Per Game: 185.18

TDs: 14

INTs: 7

Pass Rating: 86

Rush Yards: 355

Avg Yards Per Rush: 5.5

Yards Per Game: 32

TDs: 3

 

6 games since:

Record: 6-0

Attempts/Completions: 103/171

YDS: 1387 yds

Yards Per Game: 231

TDs: 8

INTs: 2

Pass Rating: 95

Rush Yds: 267

Rush Avg:  12.7yds

Yards Per Game: 45

TDs: 1

 

2.) Vernon Davis.

 

Played just 22 snaps in first game. He will be full strength for this one.

 

3.) Aldon Smith. 

 

Played 12 snaps in the first one with his head in a million different places (see: facing gun charges). Is healthy and mentally back for this one.

 

What makes this one interesting is that Dan Skuta - Smith's backup and a special teamer from the Bengals that we signed in the offseason - had his best game of the year against the Panthers. Will be interesting to see what Smith can do this time around.

 

4.) Bruce Miller.

 

He's on the IR for the season, but was rated the leagues 2nd best blocking FB before getting hurt. Not only does this hurt the running game, but he also caught a lot of balls out of the backfield. He was an outlet for Kaepernick, registering around 300 yards receiveing before getting hurt. He has been replaced by Will Tukuafu on runniung downs, who has been a surprisingly  good run blocker (even a PFF secret superstar this week https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/01/08/secret-superstars-wild-card-round/), but struggles in pass protection. And Anthiny Dixon, who has surprisingly nice hands, but isn't the blocker Tukuafu is.

 

5.) Carlos Rogers.

 

49ers Slot corner. Looks to be out this game with a hamstring injury, which is usually a bad thing, but Rogers had one of his worst games of the year vs the Panthers, and 49ers didn't play a lot of Nickel vs Panthers in game one. In Nickel/Dime just 34% of plays.

 

6.)  Eric Reid.

 

One of 3 concussions he's suffered this year was vs Panthers. The kid is talented and still learning to play at the NFL level. He missed most of the 2nd half with this game and was replaced by (gasp) Craig Dahl. Reid's improved since this game and will hopefully not lead with his head again when trying to tackle Mike Tolbert.

 

 

So, those are the changes in the 49ers I've noticed since the first meeting, what have Panthers fans noticed in the team that's changed since the first meeting.

 

 

And here, I'll just post a few things here to get them out of the way so that we can focus on the subject:

 

*No one is giving Pathers a chance, we winzzz by a landslidezzz!!!*

*Cam >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kap, we winzz!*

*Kap can't go through his progressions!*

*Crabtree won't make that much of a difference, we haz the best D in da univerzzzeee!!*

*YOUR ENTIRE TEAM IS GAY AND FROM SF LULZ, GTFO!!!!!!*

 

 

That outta at least get us started.

 

 

Cheers, fellas.

 

 

 

 

 

and PANTHERS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Cpt slay a ho]

the fact that most of you think 3 guys is going to save your ass is amusing, you don't think our dc or head coach will be game-planning for Crabtree and Vernon.

 

And what's even more funny is the Aldon talk, dude is a beast but he will be on Gross side if i'm correct, i'm more worried about brooks who owned bell but you guys still have yet to mention that, it's all fuggin what if's and this guy didn't play excuse......if those 3 guys are who your banking on just give it up now

[SF-Wald]

The only problem with that argument is that you have to give Kap time to hit his receivers.  Our D line rattled him all game and if you were to be honest, you would have to admit it wouldn't have made a difference because our D line owned your All pro O line. 

Was CAR able to get that pressure because they didn't feel a need to double or have safety help for the niners receiving core? This is what I mean by Crabtree's influence. We lost by one so a very small boost could have made a huge difference. Now if CAR gets 6 or more sacks again I put SF's chances at <20%.