One glaring Kapernick flaw

[TheRumGone]

So what numbers am I skipping over that doesn't fit the narrative?

 

Again, what in Colin's history as a passer in the NFL indicates that he is a worse passer than Tannehill? Give me a number, a stat, or something anything that indicates Tannehill is a more capable passer than Colin is?

 

watch the games. kaep's throwing numbers are there because of his legs. This is been said over and over again throughout this thread. he doesn't sit in the pocket and read defenses. it is blatantly obvious even chris collingsworth was mentioning it in one of the games. that kaep needs his legs to throw. that will catch up with him eventually. and exposes him when he plays teams like us who have quick linebackers who can track him down and tackle him.

[ajax4132]

wasn't yall saying this about cam last year? lol

 

Some idiots were, but if you watched the games and knew what you were looking at, you saw development from Cam

 

Development that I don't see in Kaep in his 3rd year being coached by the QB guru Harbaugh

 

[mcdougal]

yes, the QBR absolutely accounts for something. However, any type of number that half-rely on others, need to be taken into context as well. I believe it was the first TB game we played this year, we spent the entire 1st quarter setting up the run and short quick passes, then once their D adjusted, we had the perfect play and Cam threw the most perfect deep ball to Ginn you've ever seen. Peyton Manning himself couldn't have placed that ball in there any better. Yet what happens? Ginn completely drops it and (through NO fault of his own), Cam loses out on about 75 yards and a TD. That would have had a gigantic impact on his QBR that game. But instead, all that he got credited for is an incompletion. Same with the Arizona game: perfect throw to Smitty (dropped TD), another perfect throw to smitty (dropped 1st down), then the infamous throw to LaFell on 4th down (which could have easily led to another TD.....dropped by LaFell). My point being every "stat" doesn't tell the whole story. I just gave examples of multiple TDs cam should be cerdited for, but doesnt, and contrary to that, the DWill screen pass that never should have gone 75 yards, did. And Cam had a TD added that he wasn't responsible for. Same goes for every QB in this league.

 

tl/dr: stats are misleading. be careful where/when you use them

 

I understand within context of a game stats can be unreliable and misleading. Blake Brotles throws for 300 yards and 2 TDs against Baylor...180 of those yards and 2 TDs were on 3 screen passes. I get that.

 

However, I am not talking about a game and I am not talking about a few QBR points. I am talking about over the course of the entire regular season. His QBR is higher than most young QB. His QBRs (and his stats) are almost mirror images of Cam's. Now you could say...well look at Colin's weapons vs Newton's. Fine. But look at Colin's weapons in context and the fact that he plays 6 games a year against Seahawks, Cardinals, and Rams (Seahawks and Cardinals gave Newton trouble as well).

 

In fact, I am talking about ALL games in which Colin has started. This year and last. His stats are comparable to every young NFL today.

 

So to say, "Colin is clearly a worse passer than those guys is quite puzzling." Unless you can point to something in the stats that should be pointed out, you cannot make such a claim. 

[TheRumGone]

Kyle Williams had 12 catches (and probably that number of drops), and got cut.  

 

Last year we had:

 

Crabtree

Davis

Manningham

Randy Moss

Delanie Walker

 

 

Most of this year we had:

 

Boldin

Davis

Kyle Williams (12 catches, then cut)

Jon Baldwin (Chiefs castoff who could barely get on the field)

Marlon Moore (career special teamer)

Kasim Osgood (career special teamer)

Vance McDonald (rookie TE with bad hands)

 

Manningham missed half the season, then got put on IR because he was never healthy.  And our promising rookie WR Quinton Patton missed most of the season and training camp due to injuries.

 

 

Our WR corps was a mess for most of the season.  Things have finally started to stabilize with Crabs and Patton healthy.  

 

 

The bottom line is Kap still has a lot of learning to do, but he's a better passer than he's given credit for.  

 

you guys don't run five wide do you? i thought it was mostly 2 or 3 receiver sets. so adding those names at the bottom to give more impact to your side of the debate is useless.

 

i could add the names of mcnutt, tavaras king, brandon williams to it on the panthers side.

 

 

[FrankTheTank21]

watch the games. kaep's throwing numbers are there because of his legs. This is been said over and over again throughout this thread. he doesn't sit in the pocket and read defenses. it is blatantly obvious even chris collingsworth was mentioning it in one of the games. that kaep needs his legs to throw. that will catch up with him eventually. and exposes him when he plays teams like us who have quick linebackers who can track him down and tackle him.

 

 

 

Kap had 92 rushes in 16 games, and not all of those are scrambles.  

 

That's pretty much in keeping with the other young mobile QBs.  

[TheRumGone]

Kap had 92 rushes in 16 games, and not all of those are scrambles.  

 

That's pretty much in keeping with the other young mobile QBs.  

 

that wasn't the point of my post but ok.

[FrankTheTank21]

you guys don't run five wide do you? i thought it was mostly 2 or 3 receiver sets. so adding those names at the bottom to give more impact to your side of the debate is useless.

 

i could add the names of mcnutt, tavaras king, brandon williams to it on the panthers side.

 

 

We run a lot of double TE sets, so losing Delanie Walker was a big hit.  

 

We also lost our FB, who factors quite a bit into the passing game.  

 

And I was just listing guys who have actually been forced into the lineup to due injuries.  

[FrankTheTank21]

that wasn't the point of my post but ok.

 

 

I guess I misread it.  

 

I thought you were saying that if his first read is covered, he just takes off.  

[48ochoshogun]

We run a lot of double TE sets, so losing Delanie Walker was a big hit.  

 

We also lost our FB, who factors quite a bit into the passing game.  

 

And I was just listing guys who have actually been forced into the lineup to due injuries.  

They don't know man, they don't knowwwwwwww, they don't know our struggles.

[TheRumGone]

I guess I misread it.  

 

I thought you were saying that if his first read is covered, he just takes off.  

 

somewhat not all the time. I really meant he doesn't stay in the pocket and go through his reads more often than not. He gets out of the pocket, they call rollouts, read options. that kind of stuff. he uses his legs to set up his arm.

[rko396]

 

 

So to say, "Colin is clearly a worse passer than those guys is quite puzzling." Unless you can point to something in the stats that should be pointed out, you cannot make such a claim. 

I've never made those claims. What I have done, is watched Kap play in every single game this year. Of course he looks "better" then he did in week one. All QBs progress ..... except Dalton ;) . But he still is extremely poor at going through all his options in order and being able to adjust certain throws to a WR who is semi-open. He gets too scared to pull the trigger, gets happy feet, and doesn't possess the THROWING ability to make huge plays on a reg basis. These weaknesses are magnified to me due to the fact that he's actually playing behind a great OLine and still has these issues

[48ochoshogun]

I've never made those claims. What I have done, is watched Kap play in every single game this year. Of course he looks "better" then he did in week one. All QBs progress ..... except Dalton ;) . But he still is extremely poor at going through all his options in order and being able to adjust certain throws to a WR who is semi-open. He gets too scared to pull the trigger, gets happy feet, and doesn't possess the THROWING ability to make huge plays on a reg basis. These weaknesses are magnified to me due to the fact that he's actually playing behind a great OLine and still has these issues

Did you say, he doesn't possess the throwing ability to make huge plays ?

 

What.

[mcdougal]

Ah, let em think that.

 

Ya don't see it till he defeats their team.

 

 

Sorry. Just because I think Kap is a more than capable QB-- as capable as any young QB in the league--doesn't mean that 49ers is rolling up into BOA and winning.

 

Give me Newton and the Panthers.

[rko396]

Did you say, he doesn't possess the throwing ability to make huge plays ?

 

What.

 

He's an NFL qb. Of course he CAN make big plays with his arm. When the game is on the line, he fails to do so. Of course he can make a rocket throw at a random time during the game. But no, he can't when the games on the line. Hence why he was 0-2 in those situations yesterday. Failing to read the safeties coverage and misleading both receivers when the 49ers needed a big play.

 

microcosm of his entire season