I know a lot of us dislike A.luck...

[ajax4132]

Who in the good fuging world say that Manziel is even CLOSE to being as athletic as Mike Vick????????????????

 

1. Vick ran a 4.33, reports even say as low as a 4.25 clocked, Johnny is running over a 4.5

2. Vick had a RPG attached to his shoulder

 

Manziel will be lucky to be as quarter as good as Vick was among grown men

[ajax4132]

Heck I won't be surprised if Bridgewater is on par with Manziel once the combine rolls around

[Evengelion]

People also forgot how effortless Vick made it look. Just a little reminder:

 

Watch the arm strength and throwing motion. Beautiful to watch. All you can say is what could have been.

[ajax4132]

People also forgot how effortless Vick made it look. Just a little reminder:

 

Watch the arm strength and throwing motion. Beautiful to watch. All you can say is what could have been.

Wow is all I got to say

[Mr. Scot]

Who in the good fuging world say that Manziel is even CLOSE to being as athletic as Mike Vick????????????????

 

1. Vick ran a 4.33, reports even say as low as a 4.25 clocked, Johnny is running over a 4.5

2. Vick had a RPG attached to his shoulder

 

Manziel will be lucky to be as quarter as good as Vick was among grown men

 

Vick was the poster child for 'phenomenal athlete / crappy quarterback'.  He could throw the ball a mile but football is about throwing the ball to a spot, and in that area, he was found wanting. 

 

That, plus awful field vision.  The only receiver he could ever consistently in Atlanta see was Alge Crumpler.  Throw in that after Monte Kiffin found if you rushed him from the left he was basically useless, a lot of people followed suit.  Likewise, once the Panthers started spying him with Thomas Davis, he couldn't beat us running anymore and his passing skills just didn't cut it.  That was always the deal with Vick.  Keep him from running and he had no shot at beating you passing.

 

On the flipside, Bridgewater is a great passer.  The worry about him is his size.  How many sub-200 pound quarterbacks do you see in the NFL?  Hoping he bulks up and can take the hits because he should be a great QB if he can take the pounding.

 

Manziel?  The next Ryan Leaf.  Greg Cosell broke down just how inconsistent he was in a recent story.  Someone will likely take a shot at him, and that someone will be wasting a high pick. 

[ajax4132]

Vick was the poster child for 'phenomenal athlete / crappy quarterback'.  He could throw the ball a mile but football is about throwing the ball to a spot, and in that area, he was found wanting. 

 

That, plus awful field vision.  The only receiver he could ever consistently in Atlanta see was Alge Crumpler.  Throw in that after Monte Kiffin found if you rushed him from the left he was basically useless, a lot of people followed suit.  Likewise, once the Panthers started spying him with Thomas Davis, he couldn't beat us running anymore and his passing skills just didn't cut it.  That was always the deal with Vick.  Keep him from running and he had no shot at beating you passing.

 

On the flipside, Bridgewater is a great passer.  The worry about him is his size.  How many sub-200 pound quarterbacks do you see in the NFL?  Hoping he bulks up and can take the hits because he should be a great QB if he can take the pounding.

 

Manziel?  The next Ryan Leaf.  Greg Cosell broke down just how inconsistent he was in a recent story.  Someone will likely take a shot at him, and that someone will be wasting a high pick. 

 

I agree with everything thing here.

 

Vick never advanced as a qb, just depended on his raw ability. 

 

As you can see that goes nowhere 

 

Bridgewater has everything but the size, he needs the bulk.

 

Manziel needs to sit for a year or two...Starting him now would be a unmitigated disaster 

[Mr. Scot]

I agree with everything thing here.

Vick never advanced as a qb, just depended on his raw ability.

As you can see that goes nowhere

Bridgewater has everything but the size, he needs the bulk.

Manziel needs to sit for a year or two...Starting him now would be a unmitigated disaster

He said today he wants to be the first rookie to win the Super Bowl.

[ajax4132]

He said today he wants to be the first rookie to win the Super Bowl.

Boy loves flapping his gums, I guess we will have to see about that 

[ckad79]

What does irk me is that Cam could have a perfect post season winning the Super Bowl with immaculate play and the media would still crown Luck as a demi-God.

The hideous neck beard is part of it too.

 

The media loves prodigies. Luck was suppose to be this superstar since he was a child. The son of a NFL QB, Luck was suppose to be this polished gem right out of the gate. Cam was always seen as raw and not ready for primetime. 

 

I personally believe in the end, if Cam can continue to remain focused, he will be much more successful than Luck. Then again, time will tell. 

[footballisasport]

I'm not sure why they feel the need to embarrass themselves though. I just don't get the agenda. It's like the new fad now with this egalitarian thing. Sell Luck as being as athletic as probably one of the most athletic human being in sport even if it fails the eye test and Manziel as more athletic than Mike Vick the freak. Meanwhile poo on Bridgewater as being physically inept(He'll run in the 4.5s in the combine). I'm noticing a pattern and reverse role playing by the media here. I don't want anyone to convince me that someone is athletic because I'm sure I can do that myself.

 

I'm also noticing nowadays that they've been selling the "there's no franchise caliber QB in the draft" or "there's no Andrew Luck in this draft" every time the top projected QB is a dual threat. They said that constantly with Geno last year, now with Bridgewater and I'm sure we'll hear that with Winston next year. I knew they wouldn't allow nature to take it's course without a fight. It is hard to curtail mother nature. It will keep creating freaks like Cam whether some mere mortal likes it or not. lol

 

U mean there is no ex QB playing father with inside the sports media connect, who is pushing his son as being the "next best" in this season's draft? That's two seasons in a row now. 

 

And let's be real, in order for those in the media to continue pushing the narrative of these QBs the way they do means there is an audience for it. That is where the concern should be. 

[footballisasport]

Boy loves flapping his gums, I guess we will have to see about that 

 

LOL...Hey, I like that swag he's selling. :)

 

Wasn't he the QB who was making "money rain" gesture with his hands after winning the game following the incident with him getting paid for signing autographs?

 

I can bet u dollars to donuts, no matter how much his arrogance get under the skin of his fathers in the media, they will NOT say half the isn about him, nor treat him as they are Cam. 

[footballisasport]

They need to get on their youtube machine and find some highlights of Vick. Not only the speed but that arm was to die for. Nobody threw a more beautiful ball nor had a stronger arm than Vick. Just in case they forget:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d35rPD_bBgc

 

Manziel and his fans will be in for a rude awakening once he get to the league. I'm gonna enjoy this.

 

 

 

The sad reality is, if the Panthers don't start treating Cam as a traditional QB who just happens to run by putting more weapons around him, the way the media wants the Colts to treat Luck, Cam will be unemployed  like Vick before you know it. Much to the delight of way to many, IMO.

[Evengelion]

U mean there is no ex QB playing father with inside the sports media connect, who is pushing his son as being the "next best" in this season's draft? That's two seasons in a row now. 

 

And let's be real, in order for those in the media to continue pushing the narrative of these QBs the way they do means there is an audience for it. That is where the concern should be. 

I think they're just trolling at this point. I agree with you. There is a large audience for this types of trolling in football. The NBA could have ran away with its own Kevin Love hype because he merits it and have all the skills to back it up. But the lack of audience for this type of stuff in the NBA prove how respectable of a league they are. Most basketball fans are savvy and well educated about the sport but football is more an event with a large hooligan group of followers with an egalitarian mentality. They aren't satisfied until they have their version of Mike Vick even if it means completely embarrassing themselves. They know they can always fall back to the lack of weapon and coaching excuse.

 

[Evengelion]

Boy loves flapping his gums, I guess we will have to see about that 

He'll be in for a rude awakening. And of course, with all the hype there is also a packaged excuses prepared just for him.

Here is a few:

1. "Bridgewater was drafted in a better team with better coaching and weapon"

2. "No running game, no OL, receivers not getting open, too many drops, he can't do it all by himself"

3. "The play calling is horrible, they need to create a system that fits his skill set. Bridgewater is in the same system he was in college that's why he taking his team to the playoffs". Yep! That's actually gonna be an excuse, believe it or not.