Greg Hardy DPOW X 2.......domination defense 5 x this year

[Jmac]

The defense keeps getting the props across the country.....DPOW Hardy twice,keek twice, and TD once. Plus the SI writers favor RR COTY and Keek DPOY. Smack yourselves cause I am sure none of us thought this is what we would be part of at the end of the 2013 season. Enjoy it guys....they earned it and the huddle deserves it for sticking by these guys through thick and thin (most of us anyways)....finally made the big time.

[iBBB]

How is Keek in the DPOY discussion but not in the Pro Bowl at the same time is beyond me

 

i thought i read he got snubbed, mistaken him for TD.

[Black]

How is Keek in the DPOY discussion but not in the Pro Bowl at the same time is beyond me.

 

He is in the Pro Bowl. 

[Servant of Cthululelei]

How is Keek in the DPOY discussion but not in the Pro Bowl at the same time is beyond me.

 

 

Uhhh....Keuchly is in the Pro Bowl....

[calipanther]

And hopefully all pro for kuechly as well.

[Udogg]

I think Greg Hardy's play the last few weeks is going to kill Kuechly DPOY chances.  I mean how can you be DPOY when you might not even be the best player on your own team.   I mean who is our best Defensive player.  Keuchly has been balling all year.  But I remember more impact plays from TD. 

 

It's great to be us.  But it's probably going to hurt DPOY chances for the Kuechly imo.

[Monday Night Shyamalan]

I think Greg Hardy's play the last few weeks is going to kill Kuechly DPOY chances.  I mean how can you be DPOY when you might not even be the best player on your own team.   I mean who is our best Defensive player.  Keuchly has been balling all year.  But I remember more impact plays from TD. 

 

It's great to be us.  But it's probably going to hurt DPOY chances for the Kuechly imo.

 

Love the Kraken, but Kuechly is (and will be) our best defensive player for the next decade.

[CPF4LIFE]

Love the Kraken, but Kuechly is (and will be) our best defensive player for the next decade.

 

See much as i love Kuechly the logic in this just doesnt add up. Yes he is a once in a while player, but in a passing league How good is this defense without pass rushers?

 

 

This defense could be pretty bad without Johnson and Hardy. I just havent convinced myself yet that Kuechlys impact is bigger than them i love Kuechly.

[Carolina Cajun]

Breakfast Player of the Week this week as well.

[Monday Night Shyamalan]

See much as i love Kuechly the logic in this just doesnt add up. Yes he is a once in a while player, but in a passing league How good is this defense without pass rushers?

 

 

This defense could be pretty bad without Johnson and Hardy. I just havent convinced myself yet that Kuechlys impact is bigger than them i love Kuechly.

 

Understandable, and your point isn't wrong. But here is my reasoning ...

 

Kuechly is the QB of our defense, his intangibles alone surpass most players physical attributes. He's the next Ray Lewis, Urlacher, a 10x pro bowl and DPOY candidate every-year kinda player. I don't think we have a top 5 (maybe top 10) defense without him. Its proven (and plain to see) our defense relies on him, he is our cornerstone on that side of the ball.

 

On top of that, if the Kraken leaves (and god I hope not), we have enough push with CJ, Star, Short, and a rotation of Addison/Alexander/Horton to keep our DLine in great shape. Sure, we may not be quite as destructive, but I don't imagine a major dip if he walks. Who knows, maybe a top-end DE falls in our lap in the draft, I didn't expect it to happen with Star and even Kuechly when he was drafted.

 

Either way, it's an amazing luxury to have both these guys on D at the same time. Lets hope that continues.

[CPF4LIFE]

Understandable, and your point isn't wrong. But here is my reasoning ...

 

Kuechly is the QB of our defense, his intangibles alone surpass most players physical attributes. He's the next Ray Lewis, Urlacher, a 10x pro bowl and DPOY candidate every-year kinda player. I don't think we have a top 5 (maybe top 10) defense without him. Its proven (and plain to see) our defense relies on him, he is our cornerstone on that side of the ball.

 

On top of that, if the Kraken leaves (and god I hope not), we have enough push with CJ, Star, Short, and a rotation of Addison/Alexander/Horton to keep our DLine in great shape. Sure, we may not be quite as destructive, but I don't imagine a major dip if he walks. Who knows, maybe a top-end DE falls in our lap in the draft, I didn't expect it to happen with Star and even Kuechly when he was drafted.

 

Either way, it's an amazing luxury to have both these guys on D at the same time. Lets hope that continues.

You are missing my biggest point.

Kuechly being the Qb of our defense has nothing to do with us pressuring QBs, if we werent able to pressure some of the Qbs we have faced consistently  this year we are probably sitting at home right now out of the playoffs. Brees made Keek Luke human when we  couldnt get to him the first time we played. Keek has actually given up a big plays when we have played good Qbs he cant do it without help. His brain is just never gonna be enough alone to stop a great Qb from lighting us up. Hardy and Johnson have been an engine just as much as he has.They work well together.

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

Understandable, and your point isn't wrong. But here is my reasoning ...

Kuechly is the QB of our defense, his intangibles alone surpass most players physical attributes. He's the next Ray Lewis, Urlacher, a 10x pro bowl and DPOY candidate every-year kinda player. I don't think we have a top 5 (maybe top 10) defense without him. Its proven (and plain to see) our defense relies on him, he is our cornerstone on that side of the ball.

On top of that, if the Kraken leaves (and god I hope not), we have enough push with CJ, Star, Short, and a rotation of Addison/Alexander/Horton to keep our DLine in great shape. Sure, we may not be quite as destructive, but I don't imagine a major dip if he walks. Who knows, maybe a top-end DE falls in our lap in the draft, I didn't expect it to happen with Star and even Kuechly when he was drafted.

Either way, it's an amazing luxury to have both these guys on D at the same time. Lets hope that continues.

I do not understand why this even has to be explained here. You get pie for your self control.

The QB has to account for the MLB every play.

Be happy our defense has at least four to five guys that are all-pro caliber level performers.

[Monday Night Shyamalan]

You are missing my biggest point.

Kuechly being the Qb of our defense has nothing to do with us pressuring QBs, if we werent able to pressure some of the Qbs we have faced consistently  this year we are probably sitting at home right now out of the playoffs. Brees made Keek Luke human when we  couldnt get to him the first time we played. Keek has actually given up a big plays when we have played good Qbs he cant do it without help. His brain is just never gonna be enough alone to stop a great Qb from lighting us up. Hardy and Johnson have been an engine just as much as he has.They work well together.

 

Obviously our source of contention is the value we place in both players. You would rather have the Kraken, I would rather have Keek. Your point can go both ways, you basically said if we didn't have Hardy we would be out of the playoffs. In the same way, if we didn't have Keek, I doubt we would be in the playoffs.

 

As Gruden said, 31 GM's would trade their MLB for Keek. He is what makes our D tick and the players comments have backed that up. Without Hardy, I believe we can still generate a solid pass rush.

 

As for this quote, "Brees made Keek Luke human when we  couldnt get to him the first time we played. Keek has actually given up a big plays when we have played good Qbs he cant do it without help" since you place such an overall emphasis on the pass rush, I do believe Hardy has had numerous games without a sack, I call that 'Luke human'. 

[CPF4LIFE]

Obviously our source of contention is the value we place in both players. You would rather have the Kraken, I would rather have Keek. Your point can go both ways, you basically said if we didn't have Hardy we would be out of the playoffs. In the same way, if we didn't have Keek, I doubt we would be in the playoffs.

 

As Gruden said, 31 GM's would trade their MLB for Keek. He is what makes our D tick and the players comments have backed that up. Without Hardy, I believe we can still generate a solid pass rush.

 

As for this quote, "Brees made Keek Luke human when we  couldnt get to him the first time we played. Keek has actually given up a big plays when we have played good Qbs he cant do it without help" since you place such an overall emphasis on the pass rush, I do believe Hardy has had numerous games without a sack, I call that 'Luke human'. 

 

And you place too much emphasis on "Sacks" there is a difference between pressure and sacks. Hardy goes 100% every play if he doenst get the sack than he pressures the QB. Thats the kinda guy you want and not a guy that takes plays off or even stays hurt and he can play some DT and still be a force. Hardy is a luxury point blank for a DE. PFF backs this up every week as well. You say 31 teams would take Keek but those same 31 would take Hardy as well. Most importantly where did i say this was just about Hardy?  i could have sworn i said Kraken AND CJ. You are twisting my statement to help yours but anyway....Most of the time Any team building a defense is always gonna take a dominant DE over a MLB dont see how this is even arguable. We already had good DEs so we didnt fall in that situation. Glad we have Keek tho.