Officially Concerned about the Offense

[*FreeFua*]

rewatch yesterday's game ...without the cammy cam glasses on.

When did the receivers bail out Cam yesterday?

Carolina's receivers had a combined 4 catches for 22 yards. All 4 of those catches hit the receivers right in the hands.

[pstall]

Just heard a stat on WFNZ. No team has ever won the Super Bowl with an offense ranked below 24th in the league. We are 26th.

 

This is what I was worried about. To what Zod is asking I have been concerned for about a month.

 

Fiery is right about 9 in the box and teams have adjusted to make Cam beat them in the air. Now that we know that it's again time to make an adjustment.

 

The trend lately has been offensive teams with low ranked defenses have won the SB.

 

Right now this team is not explosive but if they would use more screens and roll Cam out and get him in space some that will wear down the D and then you can run the ball and use multiple rb's to deliver the knock out punch.

[rayzor]

This is absolutely obvious to us, so I am positive it is obvious to professional coaches.

 

So the question is, why is it not being addressed? Are they worried for Cam throwing quick picks? Are they less worried about Cam throwing the deep ball because, well, its almost like a punt anyways if intercepted.

or are they obsessed with eating up the clock?

 

the quick plays are what the fast paced offenses use and rivera seemed to be really against that idea early on in the season and from shula's history it's not really part of his philosophy. rivera wanted to make it a point that a slow scoring offense that ate up the clock was betterthan a quick scoring offense that gave the other team more time. 

 

i don't disagree with that, but i can see being so attached to that (or any) philosophy that it handicaps your team.

 

i don't think this is THE reason, but i think it could play a part. i think they just like those slow developing plays more than the quick ones. i also think that cam is also kind of fixated on making the "best" decision rather than the quickest but still effective play. he wants to be smart, and he is, but i think he tries really hard to not make the wrong decision and passes up some good ones while waiting, but that's part of the maturation process of any young QB. that said, it's on the coaches to guide them back into better ways and alter the playcalling and game management to help him get the ball out quicker.

[mav1234]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000305598/Week-17-Panthers-vs-Falcons-highlights

 

:32 second mark....this is a perfect example of what I was talking about. 

 

 

I don't see a receiver bailing Cam out, I see a receiver failing to catch a ball.  Now I think Cam could have thrown that better, but still.  This isn't an example of a receiving bailing Cam out at all.

[panthers55]

So you agree short passes/screens/etc would help Cam get settled in and help the offense, right?  Not saying that's ALL that's wrong with the offense.

 

however, you contend that cam is the one refusing to call those plays - yes?  

 

do you think he is ignoring his OC and just calling alternative plays rather than those, but just so happens to go to those plays during 2m drills (for what reason?)?

If we all know that short passing would help the offense then why aren't we doing it?  Because we don't want to or because teams are playing us in man press coverage off the line to take away the short passing? As for 2 minute drills consider that when you are playing in a 2 minute drill you are wanting the short pass and to keep things in front of us. You are letting the offense move the ball hoping that time will run out.  What happens in a 2 minute drill is not really the same as what happens the rest of the game. We don't run the hurry up because we are trying to control time of possession and keep the other offense off the field.  Maybe we should honestly.

[g5jamz]

I don't see a receiver bailing Cam out, I see a receiver failing to catch a ball.  Now I think Cam could have thrown that better, but still.  This isn't an example of a receiving bailing Cam out at all.

 

That was an instance of a ball where the receiver couldn't bail him out.  Give me access to every throw he's made the last 3 games and I'll show you what I'm talking about.  That was one example on the highlights because it resulted in an INT.  Olsen's got some long arms. 

[TheMaulClaw]

Beason, 1st, 2nd, 3rd for Josh Gordon

 

I hope this is cleverly designed sarcasm.

[panthers55]

Was watching NFLN this morning and they discussiong team match up between the Panthers and 49ers and which team has the chance. They went to the defense and they said, both teams match up well on that end. They then got to the Offense, and although they said that the Panthers can give 49ers a run for their money, it was clear that Coin have way more reliable weapons then Cam. They seemed more focused on Cam being the strenght and was taking that for granted with the attitude of, he can make up for the weaknesses of this team's Offense.

 

I believe the best way to take a serious look at your team is to ask an honest question, if Cam threw 4 Ints, would the team be strong enough to win? Dalton and the Bengals won big despite him throwing 4 Ints yesterday. Palmer did the same and his team came back and beat the Seahawks. I also believe that Matthew did the same thing this season and the Lions came back and won.

 

I believe this team has the heart to win but do they have the weapons and consistency of those weapons to overcome Cam  having a very bad day.

Have we won when Cam played poorly?  Yes we have.  Against New Orleans his passer rating was 81, against Atlanta is was 81. In fact in the last 9 games he has had 2 games with a passer rating over 100.

Against Atlanta the first game and Tampa Bay Cam threw 2 interceptions and we won handily.  4 picks?  How many teams can overcome that unless the other offense is inept and we get turnovers as well.

[mav1234]

That was an instance of a ball where the receiver couldn't bail him out.  Give me access to every throw he's made the last 3 games and I'll show you what I'm talking about.  That was one example on the highlights because it resulted in an INT.  Olsen's got some long arms. 

 

That wasn't even Olsen... But Cam has had some misses.  But every QB does.

 

Lafell dropped a ball he should have caught before that play, too.  Lots of execution issues in that game.

 

We've had plenty of memorable drops this year.  How many memorable catches have we had this year?  I don't know if we've even had one that made me go "WOW what a catch!"

[FootballMaestro]

Cam's accuracy has been an issue all year and a lot of our WRs have bailed him out on numerous occasions.  Funny how some of our receivers are jumping to catch the ball when they don't even have to.  You heard the commentators talk about it for numerous weeks now.  Cam's a great quarterback when he gets his head out of his ass and doesn't think too much about it.  Just play. 

 

That TD ball he threw to Olsen yesterday was insane and would probably crack a rib of most of us. 

 

Cam in his postgame interview said it best..."we have to get better".  These NFC teams all look scary right now.  Only team we cannot face is the Saints.  So that's the Packers, 49ers, and Eagles...ugh. 

 

What are you smoking?

 

I would have thought it was the complete opposite. I've rarely (if ever) seen a catch a Panther receiver made, where I said "wow, that was a great catch...The Panther receiver really bailed Newton out". It's been quite the opposite. 

 

However, I do watch other Receivers on a daily basis (each game), make spectacular catches; comeback to the ball; box out defenders; jump over defenders, and fight for the ball high and wide for great catches or TD's. Carolina receivers, don't come close to doing this ever, mind you on a game by game basis. 

 

This is not to take away from any deficiencies in Cam, the OL, The RB's and OC's execution. Not at all. However, Cam would put up much better QB stats if he had one, two, or three better receivers (and even a TE, who could get YAC yards, and catch balls high). 

 

So I think you're grossly mistaken on that one.

 

PS: Many times Panther receivers mistime their jumps when they catch the ball.  And a chest, neck, face, or even near the head (sometimes) high throw, is not necessarily uncatchable, or even a great catch, depending on the circumstances. Other NFL-Level  Receivers make those type of catches routinely. Just look at Golden Tate in Seattle, as an example. He and other Seattle receivers, bail out R. Wilson all the time. 

[beastson]

No huddle offense... that's what thread you should create Zod. Maybe somebody in the org will see it... they be on here and it's true

 

Cam and this offense perform much better With Cam as our offensive weapon and biggest mismatch, and not allowing teams to set their defense up is a nightmare. If you're going to run a regular offense like us, you need 2 things. A consistent running game and a possession receiver, which we don't have

[pstall]

i said this in the gameday thread yest but i want to see more passes thrown/caught while in stride. its either down and outs or in the flat or slightly over the middle.

 

maybe im greedy. lol

[g5jamz]

You're right Maestro...Cam is never high on his throws.  It's the receiver's fault 100% of the time.  Never mentioned by game announcers either.  Figment of everyone's imagination. 

[pstall]

No huddle offense... that's what thread you should create Zod. Maybe somebody in the org will see it... they be on here and it's true

 

Cam and this offense perform much better With Cam as our offensive weapon and biggets mismatch and not allowing teams they set their defense up is a nightmare. If you're going to run a regular offense like us, you need 2 things. A consistent running game and a possession receiver, which we don't have

 

I agree to a point but i think the ball control offense has kept the d rested which i think has helped them to dominate. so it could be a catch 22 if you score too quickly.

 

maybe do a no huddle when you are up 2 scores or more to really put the pressure on the other team.