Officially Concerned about the Offense

[Squirrel]

FWIW: No one has a problem with criticism of Cam's game. Hey, that's Fair Game. 

 

The Problem is: The inordinate, and disproportionate amount of criticism and analysis that is directed towards Cam, even when he has good games or the team wins. This is especially true, considering he's only a third year player (i.e., learning and growing), while most of what he's been criticized for, you see every day in the NFL by other more experienced QB's to begin with. 

 

Thing is Cam isn't on other teams he is on the Panthers.  Almost all the people that criticize just want to see him improve and get better.  I criticized Jake all the time when he was here because he never improved.  Cam on the other hand you can see the progression he is making.  But I want him to be one of the elites QB's in the NFL and to do that he needs to improve.   Yes it will take time but as long as he is trying and not thinking he has nothing to improve I will support him.  Even if I'm criticizing him.

[footballisasport]

I love how since Cam is a professional, and will always blame himself, and say he needs to improve. So some here, use that as an excuse, saying we should follow his lead. Not a good move/look. 

 

That's so disingenuous. I don't know where to start. Brandon Lafell, could drop the most perfectly placed bomb, and Cam would still find a way to suggest he could have done something better. That's what good teammates do and say (even if it doesn't make it true). Lol They pick each other up. 

 

Since i've been on this site and read other Panthers' site, this is all i've seen from those who refuse to give Cam credit for the success of this team: 2011 season, team went 6-10, Cam is good but needs to be better. 2012 season, team went 7-9, it's all Cam's fault and many joined the media in putting him in a so called "slump," despite the team playing slightly better than the season before and the defense still stinking up the place. Now we're at 2013, team is 12-4 but it's all praises to the defense and Offense isn't playing good enough because they are not racking up points. Who gets the blame? CAM. 

 

With the Cam haters, there clearly isn't any other rational behind either side of the ball play not playing well as long as Cam is under center and they can find ways to practice the media's form of BS spins of blaming him.

[panthers55]

I love how since Cam is a professional, and will always blame himself, and say he needs to improve. So some here, use that as an excuse, saying we should follow his lead. Not a good move/look. 

 

That's so disingenuous. I don't know where to start. Brandon Lafell, could drop the most perfectly placed bomb, and Cam would still find a way to suggest he could have done something better. That's what good teammates do and say (even if it doesn't make it true). Lol They pick each other up. 

The point is that no one is criticizing Newton to the point that you suggest. Saying he could be better or that he was bailed out by Hixon is something he would likely readily agree with. So if he thinks he should do better then why take exception when someone on here says the same thing, Unless you think he is being disingenuous saying things that he doesn't mean just to be a teammate. Do you also subscribe to the fake smile idea?  I think he knows where the ball was supposed to go and everything about each throw.  I figure he is being honest like he has been since he got here. He needs to continue to improve and has done so all year long.

[FootballMaestro]

The point is that no one is criticizing Newton to the point that you suggest. Saying he could be better or that he was bailed out by Hixon is something he would likely readily agree with. So if he thinks he should do better then why take exception when someone on here says the same thing, Unless you think he is being disingenuous saying things that he doesn't mean just to be a teammate. Do you also subscribe to the fake smile idea?  I think he knows where the ball was supposed to go and everything about each throw.  I figure he is being honest like he has been since he got here. He needs to continue to improve and has done so all year long.

 

Respectfully; you're not following the flow of the argument or solidifying your point any.

 

Why would you say "Ginn bailed Newton out". That wasn't' a spectacular catch by Ginn. You call that a bail out? On the contrary; that's what was so supposed to happen. Ginn, didn't break a plethora of tackles, or make some kind of  determined effort or adjustment. It was a nice catch and run, yes. Was it clutch, and/or needed; yes! That to! But, nonetheless; garden variety. You're only reinforcing the contention, of how piss poor the Panther receivers are by repeatedly using these almost toothless examples as spectacular. 

 

What Cam says to media during a press conference, doesn't necessarily correlate to what we or anyone else thinks. That's silly. Good teammates don't throw the other under the bus, even it's deserved. That's why they're a team. 

 

This would be reminiscent of Ron Rivera and Cam Newton stating, "well since the right side of our offensive line is poor, and our receivers are not play makers, we have to play a more conservative offense, and throw downfield less". That would never happen (though true)!! And you know that. Lol.

 

Both Cam and Rivera, would say spectacularly complimentary things about the O-line and receivers in public, no matter how bad they were. It's called professional courtesy and decorum. 

[panthers55]

Respectfully; you're not following the flow of the argument or solidifying your point.

 

Why would you say "Ginn bailed Newton out". That wasn't' a spectacular catch by Ginn. You call that a bail out? On the contrary; that's what was so supposed to happen. Ginn, didn't break a plethora of tackles, or make some kind of  determined effort. It was a nice catch and run, yes. Was it clutch, and/or needed; yes! But, nonetheless; garden variety. You're only reinforcing the contention, of how piss poor the Panther receivers are by repeatedly using these examples. 

 

What Cam says to media during a press conference, doesn't necessarily correlate to what we or anyone else thinks. That's silly. Good teammates don't throw the other under the bus, even it's deserved. 

 

That would be like Ron Rivera, or Cam saying "well since the right side of our offensive line is poor, and our receivers are not play makers, we have to play a more conservative offense, and throw downfield less". That would never happen (though true)!!

 

Both Cam and Rivera, would say spectacular things about the O-line and receivers. It's called professional courtesy and decorum. 

Now I am not following the flow of the conversation because I am not criticizing Newton?  I don't think Ginn bailed out Newton I said Hixon bailed out Newton.  You are the one who is not following the conversation and  goingg down your own bunny trail.?  I said the Ginn catch was one of Newton's best throws and what made it even better was the yards after  the catch and getting out of bounds to  save a timeout.

 

Good teammates know that they rely on each other and they also know what was called, what happened and what was supposed to happen.  They know that they work together and likely bail each other out on multiple occasions.  So they don't get hung up on who makes who or who was at fault.  We could take that example by enjoying the ride and letting people say what they want without riding in on every thread looking for the Cam slights which are often more imagined than real.

[footballisasport]

The point is that no one is criticizing Newton to the point that you suggest. Saying he could be better or that he was bailed out by Hixon is something he would likely readily agree with. So if he thinks he should do better then why take exception when someone on here says the same thing, Unless you think he is being disingenuous saying things that he doesn't mean just to be a teammate. Do you also subscribe to the fake smile idea?  I think he knows where the ball was supposed to go and everything about each throw.  I figure he is being honest like he has been since he got here. He needs to continue to improve and has done so all year long.

 

 Every QBs take responsibility for the mistakes on the damn field; that doesn't mean it's their fault. Cut the fugging twisted PSYCHOLOGY GAME OUT.  

 

It's fugtards like you who so hate this kid so much that you would do everything in your ego driven power to used every ounce of his talent to help this team while finding ways to ruin his image with BS logic. You are so full of poo and need to be called out on it.

 

i watch every football that I can and EVERY QB over/under and even side ways throws a ball. Yet, all i hear is how an "elite qb" is only as good as his weapons. So that means Cam is allowed to under/over and sideways throw a few balls and IT'S the JOB of those around him to get the DAMN BALL wherever he puts it unless it's completely out of bounds. They are not doing him a favor by catching the balls. IT"S their JOB!!

 

I don't get why week in and out  so many Panthers fans allow blatant antagonists like yourself to come out and try to re-write the rules of football simply to make your argument against a QB you so falsely claim you "like."  I guess deep down inside many of them share your hate for Cam and is simply tolerating him. 

 

Every thread I've read since I've been here,  in regards to this team issues, desolves into this BS game of 1000 ways to show that Cam isn't as good as his talent by undermining everything he's doing.

[IGSaint]

Now I am not following the flow of the conversation because I am not criticizing Newton?  I don't think Ginn bailed out Newton I said Hixon bailed out Newton.  You are the one who is not following the conversation and  goingg down your own bunny trail.?  I said the Ginn catch was one of Newton's best throws and what made it even better was the yards after  the catch and getting out of bounds to  save a timeout.

 

Good teammates know that they rely on each other and they also know what was called, what happened and what was supposed to happen.  They know that they work together and likely bail each other out on multiple occasions.  So they don't get hung up on who makes who or who was at fault.  We could take that example by enjoying the ride and letting people say what they want without riding in on every thread looking for the Cam slights which are often more imagined than real.

 

Hixon didn't bail out cam, cam threw it right where he wanted hixon to go and catch it. 

[panthers55]

 Every QBs take responsibility for the mistakes on the damn field; that doesn't mean it's their fault. Cut the fugging twisted PSYCHOLOGY GAME OUT.  

 

It's fugtards like you who so hate this kid so much that you would do everything in your ego driven power to used every ounce of his talent to help this team while finding ways to ruin his image with BS logic. You are so full of poo and need to be called out on it.

 

i watch every football that I can and EVERY QB over/under and even side ways throws a ball. Yet, all i hear is how an "elite qb" is only as good as his weapons. So that means Cam is allowed to under/over and sideways throw a few balls and IT'S the JOB of those around him JOB to get the DAMN BALL. They are not doing him a favor by catching the balls. IT"S their JOB!!

 

I don't get why week in and out  so many Panthers fans allow blatant antagonists like yourself to come and out and try to re-write the rules of football simply to make your argument against a QB you so falsely claim you "like."  I guess deep down inside many of them share your hate for Cam and is simply tolerating him. 

 

Every thread I've read since I've been here,  in regards to this team issues, desolves into this BS game of 1000 ways to show that Cam isn't as good as his talent by undermining everything he's doing.

 

I have said nothing here for pages but support for newton while pointing out my perceptions and saying how impressed I am with his progress and ability to finish games.

 

And you go off on this kind of diatribe that has nothing to do with anything I have said?  This is the whole point I have said for pages.  You have your own agenda here and go off on tangents about fugtards and Cam haters and everyone who says they like Cam really hate him.  You filter everything as a criticism and when there isn't one you make it up. This is way over the top.  

 

http://youtu.be/uqUa_G1h3pw

 

 

 

[FootballMaestro]

Now I am not following the flow of the conversation because I am not criticizing Newton?  I don't think Ginn bailed out Newton I said Hixon bailed out Newton.  You are the one who is not following the conversation and  goingg down your own bunny trail.?  I said the Ginn catch was one of Newton's best throws and what made it even better was the yards after  the catch and getting out of bounds to  save a timeout.

 

Good teammates know that they rely on each other and they also know what was called, what happened and what was supposed to happen.  They know that they work together and likely bail each other out on multiple occasions.  So they don't get hung up on who makes who or who was at fault.  We could take that example by enjoying the ride and letting people say what they want without riding in on every thread looking for the Cam slights which are often more imagined than real.

 

This has turned into a complete Clusterfook of nonsense. 

 

For the last time. And it's already been said to you numerous times here by different people: Niether Ginn or Hixon (as you're now claiming) "didn't bail out Cam Newton". That was the throw that was intended. Only the uninitiated thinks that was an errant pass by Newton that Hixon saved. Yeah, it was a nice catch. But that was the catch he was supposed to make (just like Ginn), and it was the intended throw by Newton. If Newton would have thrown that ball higher, it could have been knocked out of bounds, and the Panthers had precious little time or opportunities then. 

 

The point was (which still hasn't been effectively challenged): QB's miss receivers with errant passes all the time in the NFL, every game. If this is true; why do certain Panther fans expend so much time and energy to point out Cam's? The other point, which contributes to some of these misses: The Panther receivers are mediocre at best, and do very little to assist Newton on the field, which many Panthers fans seem not to realize and/or play ignorant to. 

 

You're examples of Hixon, Ginn and Olsen, although fine ones, are certainly nothing that contradicts our earlier statements, about the lack of receiver help from Carolina receivers, and only reinforces it. 

 

I find it odd, that you would characterize either the Hixon or Ginn catch, as "bailing Cam out", while professing the team spirit so much. They did their jobs. 'Bailing someone out', would have to be something much more spectacular in my book. 

 

So you either really don't like one Cameron Jerrell Newton (not saying; just raising the question): Or you're so used to poor receiver play from Panther receivers, you now characterize relatively standard (albeit well timed) catches as "bailing Cam Newton out". Which one is it?

 

And while you're at it, please state the record for us, that you acknowledge the Panthers have non play making, mediocre receivers at best in 2013. Can you say that?

[ajax4132]

This tread is going off the hinges, nothing wrong with a little criticism (this is coming from a guy who loved Cam since Auburn)

 

There is stuff he can improve on, that is the fact of the matter. He'd tell you himself 

 

"We've put ourselves in a situation to reap the benefits this week. We've got to get healthy and get better," Newton said. "We have a lot of corrections to make – red zone production, running the ball, completing the ball, me being more consistent in the passing game. Those are things we need, and we have been working on them."

 

 

[*FreeFua*]

I have said nothing here for pages but support for newton while pointing out my perceptions and saying how impressed I am with his progress and ability to finish games.

And you go off on this kind of diatribe that has nothing to do with anything I have said?

It's a perception like this one "The pass to Hixon was not a good throw as it could have been higher and easier to catch. There was no need to put in so low." That makes it look like you have an agenda. I've never seen anyone nitpick like this before.

[DjNoto]

The playoffs r a fresh start. Plain and simple. Let's hope Shula absorbs this

[IGSaint]

This tread is going off the hinges, nothing wrong with a little criticism (this is coming from a guy who loved Cam since Auburn)

 

There is stuff he can improve on, that is the fact of the matter. He'd tell you himself 

 

"We've put ourselves in a situation to reap the benefits this week. We've got to get healthy and get better," Newton said. "We have a lot of corrections to make – red zone production, running the ball, completing the ball, me being more consistent in the passing game. Those are things we need, and we have been working on them."

 

Absolutely but what panther55 is nitpicking on are some horrible examples he is using. There are much better examples to critiique cam's throwing on. I'm not just gonna shut my mouth when I see a critique I feel is wrong.

[FootballMaestro]

This tread is going off the hinges, nothing wrong with a little criticism (this is coming from a guy who loved Cam since Auburn)

 

There is stuff he can improve on, that is the fact of the matter. He'd tell you himself 

 

"We've put ourselves in a situation to reap the benefits this week. We've got to get healthy and get better," Newton said. "We have a lot of corrections to make – red zone production, running the ball, completing the ball, me being more consistent in the passing game. Those are things we need, and we have been working on them."

 

"Little", or well timed would be the apt word. 

 

However, it seem like some Panther fans (I'm not saying you Panther 55), spend most of their posting critiques of Cams game and attributes, despite any recent personal or team success. 

 

That's what should be addressed.