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[panthers55]

"Easier" so your admitting it was already an easy catch. Therefore a good throw.

Once again, another example of someone trying to go to extreme measures to put Cam down.

Smh...

Not at all.  I like Cam a lot and wear his jersey to games.  He is the future of the franchise and is growing and developing by the game.  Lets be honest, the elephant in the room last year was that Cam couldn't win the game in the clutch even though he often was dominant for stretches in a game.  He blew that one away like you eat a elephant, one bite or game at a time.  He has been so good when he had to.  It is almost like as the pressure builds he gets more focused and determined to make a play.

 

The discussion about whether the receiver made the quarterback look good or the quarterback made the receiver look good started with Jake and Smitty and now continues with Cam and everyone.  And really it is a ridiculous one.  Because they exist as a unit and one relies on the other.  Sure you have Megatron and Jimmy Graham and similar guys who make superhuman catches and make any quarterback look great.  And you have Brees and Manning who make any receiver better than they would be in any other system.  But for the rest, sometimes the quarterback makes the receiver look good and other times the receivers makes a great catch to help the quarterback.  Of course the ball can't be off target by 6 feet as no even good receiver makes that catch.  So the quarterback has to be on target in general.  I was referring to passing plays where the receiver made a great play which extended the drive and made it possible for Cam to move them down the field. Ginn's catch was routine but his after the catch run was outstanding.  He took it another 20 yards and got out of bounds to save a timeout.  That enabled Newton to throw it to Olsen and use the timeout.  The throw to Hixon wasn't a bad throw it was catchable but it was a very tough catch and not one we have seen from anyone not named Olsen or Smith.  Hixon just made a great catch and looked at least for a play as if he should have been starting all year.  Hixon's great catch made cam's pass look great. Isn't that how we want it to be?  Who cares who gets the credit as long as we make the play.  I know Cam and the receivers would give each other the credit instead of fighting over it. Why can't we take their example.

[panthers55]

Cam threw that pass when ginn was behind the db and he didn't have to make any adjustments to get it. It takes accuracy and anticipation to make that throw to ginn. Why are you talking about the 25 yards gained after the catch when the catch itself was insane and throw from cam was insane. The pass from hixon was not a good throw it was a great throw. There was a db trailing hixon, cam put it in a place only where hixon could get it. All he had to do was lay out and catch it. People want to talk about throwing receivers open? Well that was it. It really can't get any better than that. The pass to olsen was not off target is placed right where it needed to be. Everything you just said can be made into a positive only a dumbass would try to make those throws a negative on cam. 

That is the problem with you guys,  You always think this is a win lose situation and it is about Cam being great or bad and that is far from the truth.  Cam has been great during this winning streak.  The Drive we are talking about was amazing and surprising given how we struggled the rest of the day.  The throw to Ginn was probably Cam's best throw of the day right on target.  And that was great.  Butt what made it even greater was gaining 25 yards after the catch and getting out of bounds to preserve a timeout.  It wasn't Ginn bailing out Cam so much as Ginn making a great pass look like an outstanding play.   I think that you need to stop looking for the slight and interpret everything through a Cam hugger filter..  Most posters here aren't nearly as critical as you imagine they are.    

[Squirrel]

That is the problem with you guys,  You always think this is a win lose situation and it is about Cam being great or bad and that is far from the truth.  Cam has been great during this winning streak.  The Drive we are talking about was amazing and surprising given how we struggled the rest of the day.  The throw to Ginn was probably Cam's best throw of the day right on target.  And that was great.  Butt what made it even greater was gaining 25 yards after the catch and getting out of bounds to preserve a timeout.  It wasn't Ginn bailing out Cam so much as Ginn making a great pass look like an outstanding play.   I think that you need to stop looking for the slight and interpret everything through a Cam hugger filter..  Most posters here aren't nearly as critical as you imagine they are.    

 

They don't realize football is a team sport.  They think it is all about Cam.  I have gave Cam major props all season and he has saved a lot of games for us.  But sometimes he has been bailed out too.  For a 3rd year Qb in the NFL he is progressing really well. With his progression hopefully those throws will be where only his receivers can catch them and in stride. 

[Squirrel]

Cam threw that pass when ginn was behind the db and he didn't have to make any adjustments to get it. It takes accuracy and anticipation to make that throw to ginn. Why are you talking about the 25 yards gained after the catch when the catch itself was insane and throw from cam was insane. The pass from hixon was not a good throw it was a great throw. There was a db trailing hixon, cam put it in a place only where hixon could get it. All he had to do was lay out and catch it. People want to talk about throwing receivers open? Well that was it. It really can't get any better than that. The pass to olsen was not off target is placed right where it needed to be. Everything you just said can be made into a positive only a dumbass would try to make those throws a negative on cam. 

 

That throw to Hixon was ugly.  Hixon balled on that play.  

[FootballMaestro]

This is getting off topic. The question was; name any great catches the Panthers receivers have made this year, and the example of the New Orleans games was given. If anything, the New Orleans stretch, only enhances Cam's, cause he was getting hit and dealing with the pass rush as he threw those balls. Newton, hit Ginn perfectly, so it was easy for him (especially with his speed) to pick up those extra yards. However, Ginn's catch; though nice, clutch and welcomed (we'll take it), was not necessarily a difficult NFL catch by NFL Receiver standards. 

 

There are receivers in the NFL, who adjust in mid air, come back to the ball when the QB's in trouble; box out in the endzone or spot in the field; and/or go up and take the ball from a DB on a regular basis in the NFL (depending on which play I mentioned). And those are the plays we see so few of from the Carolina receivers, that you can turn on your TV and see any weekend in practically every NFL game from other receivers on the regular. But not in Carolina. 

 

As a matter of fact: If Carolina had "pro receivers", the dreaded Cam "high ball/throw", would be a thing of the past, cause they would be caught most of the time. 

[Squirrel]

This is getting off topic. The question was; name any great catches the Panthers receivers have made this year, and the example of the New Orleans games was given. If anything, the New Orleans stretch, only enhances Cam's, cause he was getting hit and dealing with the pass rush as he threw those balls. Newton, hit Ginn perfectly, so it was easy for him (especially with his speed) to pick up those extra yards. However, Ginn's catch; though nice, clutch and welcomed (we'll take it), was not necessaries a difficult NFL catch by NFL Receiver standards. 

 

There are receivers in the NFL, who adjust in mid air, come back to the ball when the QB's in trouble; box out in the endzone or spot in the field; and/or go up and take the ball from a DB on a regular basis in the NFL. And those are the plays we see so few of from the Carolina receivers, that you can turn on your TV and see any weekend in practically every NFL game from other receivers on the regular. But not in Carolina. 

 

Did you forget Smitty plays on the team?

[IGSaint]

That is the problem with you guys,  You always think this is a win lose situation and it is about Cam being great or bad and that is far from the truth.  Cam has been great during this winning streak.  The Drive we are talking about was amazing and surprising given how we struggled the rest of the day.  The throw to Ginn was probably Cam's best throw of the day right on target.  And that was great.  Butt what made it even greater was gaining 25 yards after the catch and getting out of bounds to preserve a timeout.  It wasn't Ginn bailing out Cam so much as Ginn making a great pass look like an outstanding play.   I think that you need to stop looking for the slight and interpret everything through a Cam hugger filter..  Most posters here aren't nearly as critical as you imagine they are.    

 

 

It's nothing about being a cam hugger. It's about looking at those throws objectively. You are so far up your own ass to find something to criticize cam over that you picked some stupid examples to do it on. 

[FootballMaestro]

Did you forget Smitty plays on the team?

 

Unfortunately, it used to only be Smitty (though he could only do so much the past 3 years at his size on the regular; hence the fewer TD totals). However, during 2013, those type of plays are getting less and less from Smitty. He hasn't had many. And certainly, I can't recall any or very few from the other guys.  

 

The lack of size and physicality in the Panther receivers, really hurt them when it counts. 

 

Ginn is fast, but he can't catch an over the shoulder or deep downfield pass (better on crossing routes). 

[FootballMaestro]

It's nothing about being a cam hugger. It's about looking at those throws objectively. You are so far up your own ass to find something to criticize cam over that you picked some stupid examples to do it on. 

I don't think some people here know a good receiver catch when they see one. That must be the disconnect, or missing thread? Cause, if anything, the New Orleans close, only enhances Cam. And this is not to see good in Cam. It's just the facts, as we see them/they present themselves. 

 

Now, if any of those receivers would have made circuses catches, and/or broke tackles for extra  yardage...yes! But that's not what happened. They were all Garden variety NFL catching, for the most part. 

 

I'm still waiting for my circus, spectacular, adjustments, come backs, box out, take away catches from the Panther receivers (especially ones not named Smitty this year). Tick Tick Tick ????????????????

[footballisasport]

The funny thing to me is that Cam would likely disagree with many of the apologists who constantly make excuses for him.  What I have seen and heard from him suggests he is his own toughest critic and blames himself when things go wrong instead of looking for other scapegoats.

The result of that is that he constantly strives to get better and improve.  He doesn't get complacent or think that it isn't his job to make all the proper throws or that it was the receivers fault when sometimes it clearly was.

 

I suspect that he would be the first person to tell the apologists that it was his fault and he is the most responsible when things go wrong.  Is that always the case?  No.  But successful people take the blame and shoulder the responsibility for themselves as well as others.  That is what makes them so successful and what makes them a leader.  

 

Cam would also wonder why folks like yourself would go out of your way to say what you're saying about his game.

[FootballMaestro]

Cam would also wonder why folks like yourself would go out of your way to say what you're saying about his game.

 

I love how since Cam is a professional, and will always blame himself, and say he needs to improve. So some here, use that as an excuse, saying we should follow his lead. Not a good move/look. 

 

That's so disingenuous. I don't know where to start. Brandon Lafell, could drop the most perfectly placed bomb, and Cam would still find a way to suggest he could have done something better. That's what good teammates do and say (even if it doesn't make it true). Lol They pick each other up. 

[panthers55]

It's nothing about being a cam hugger. It's about looking at those throws objectively. You are so far up your own ass to find something to criticize cam over that you picked some stupid examples to do it on. 

Its all about filtering everything through a Cam Hugger  point of view or you couldn't possibly think that  my last few posts were anything but pro Cam. 

[footballisasport]

You asked when did the receivers make Cam look good. The throw to Ginn was a good throw but Ginn gained 25 more yards which made the pass better than it would have been if he was slower. The pass to Hixon was not a good throw as it could have been higher and easier to catch. There was no need to put in so low. As for the pass to Olsen it was off target but Olsen adjusted and made the catch.

Williams turned a 10 yard gain into a TD. It doubled Cam's passing total at the time.

Only huggers think like you do.

 

This post read like the guy who was a Matt Moore lover and pretended to like Cam so he could  sit and post the most illogically ish just to see how many Panthers fans he can get to see things his way.

 

The first highlight of your comment is the dumbest isn I have ever read when it comes to the endless scrutiny over everything Cam. The second one even more dumb. 

 

It seems you encouraging  laziness around your QB. It's no wonder Luck didn't want to be part of his team with fans who have mindsets like yours.

 

Everywhere else in this league,  the "Weapons" around a QB have to bust their asses to help make the QB look good but not on the Panthers and judging by some of the BS posted, many of are okay with that.

 

I guess that is why those who don't or can't make the  cut on more "elite" teams end up on the Panthers where the  QB is expected to work harder than the rest of his team mates. 

[FootballMaestro]

FWIW: No one has a problem with criticism of Cam's game. Hey, that's Fair Game. It' an Internet board. 

 

The Problem is: The seemingly inordinate, and disproportionate amount of criticism and analysis that is directed towards Cam, even when he has good games or the team wins. This is especially true, considering he's only a third year player (i.e., learning and growing; although with some success), while most of what he's been criticized for, you see every day in the NFL by other more ahem "experienced" QB's to begin with. 

 

It's like an alternate universe when you go watch other NFL games, and see the same thing (except the routine adjustments and spectacular catches by the other teams WR's).