Officially Concerned about the Offense

[pantherj]

LaFell's hand are very small for a WR, and it makes him more prone to drop passes. It doesn't help matters that Cam rarely puts a soft touch on his passes. We're probably going WR in the upcoming draft so we won't have to worry about this much longer.

[CPF4LIFE]

LOL whats really funny is some posters on here saying before the saints game that we would have a hard time replacing Lafell. LMAO not even gonna bother bumpin the thread.

[LinvilleGorge]

I just don't understand how LaFell can catch some of the passes he does, then drop the easy ones.  He looks like a legit starter some games and is completely absent for others.  But, he is exactly what the scouting report said he was when he was coming into the draft.  That was the knock on him - he catches passes that he shouldn't, but drops passed that he should catch.

[Mojoman]

Lack of sharp, quick passing plays and hot routes.

the #1 issue

[Marguide]

We need 4 quarters from him in the playoffs--he has not been good for the entire game in a month.  Half of his passing yards came on the screen pass that DWill ran and fumbled.  Ginn + Hixon = 22 yards.  Olsen is not a primary, but he was Sunday.  We were not good enough to beat most NFL teams Sunday.

 

Remember that the defense scored a TD, so we scored 14 against one of the worst defenses in football.  Overthrows have been a problem for a long time--time to work that out and move on.  He is making progress, but I have never seen a QB that far off for so many passes without adjusting. 

 

We need Cam to be special--without him, we are dead in the water.

 

I'm guessing you didn't watch the Atlanta/SF game the week before.

 

It was SF's last game in Candlestick. They were trying to win their division too, and are viewed as a serious threat for the SB. In comparison, we were on the road against a division rival that knows us very well, and it was the final game for a future HOF member.

 

In case you didn't see it, SF was in serious jeopardy of losing the game until a fluke interception bailed them out.

[FootballMaestro]

Looks like it's the nature of this fanbase. Reading this forum and lurking on other team's forum, I have to admit other fan-bases are so much more seasoned and better knowledge. This fan-base think they're so smart because they notice an overthrow and that no other QBs are making overthrows. A lot of people here still don't know how this fandom thing work yet. A lot seems to believe that the job of a fan is to seek flaws of the same thing they're supporting. It is what it is, I guess. Following this panther team would be so much easier with a more affluent and well knowledge fan-base. The Tinderbox tone to this forum in regard to this 12-4 team is sometimes unnecessary.

Bingo!!!

 

This is what I find most prevalent about this fan site, and many "Panther fans". 

 

It's almost like they're not used to winning, or having nice things (Cam), and don't know how to act. 

 

Cause you're right. Many Panther fans seem to take great care on a regular basis of micro-analyzing everything Cam does, whether he or the team is performing well or not. I agree, you just don't see that on other sites or fan bases. They're usually has to be a good reason (terrible performance, bad loss, with QB making key mistakes, etc.). However, here, it seems to go "on and on", on a daily basis, regardless of circumstances. It's almost like, they don't know what to talk about?

 

The Panthers could win a game 30-7, where Cam goes 22-26 throwing with no INT's, and some idiot here will start a thread about Cam's 4 "high or bad throws" in the game (and it's ramifications going forward), as if it mattered. And they would really mean it (and so would the bunch of Yahoos following him writing equally as passionate and stupidly). Lol. 

 

So I would agree. With all due respect, many fans here don't appear sophisticated enough to notice what happens around the QB/on the field all to often. Which if fine. You don't have to be. No ones claims to be an expert. However, please don't offer us your unmitigated (and many times) hateful, ignorant or wrong/premature, incessant opinion when you apparently don't have the knowledge, eyes or patience to actually see what happens on the field, and/or around the QB in the first place. 

 

I agree. QB's over throw receivers and make bad passes all the time. This is not something unique to Cam. Never was. It happens every game in the NFL. Just turn your TV or computer on. We also see receivers all over the league make high, bad and finger tip catches regularly that Panthers WR's rarely seem to make all year. So this incessant criticism of Cam is certainly surprising/perplexing, especially considering his tenure in the league (3 yrs), progress/individual, and now team success. What do they want from him? Don't' they realize he's already ahead of schedule (I'm speaking for anybody, not just himself or his QB contemporaries)? 

 

Even some seemingly bad throws or near INT's from QB's, many times are mistimed routes, or the receiver gave up on the play. It's not always automatically on the QB. But you rarely see certain Panthers fans here take that measured or judicious approach (regardless of what the National TV guys says). The Panthers radio team (who sees the team regularly, and doesn't have any bias or pre-conceived notions) would be the best judge of what happened if you don't know/had to hedge, can't wait for Ron Rivera's post game comments. Many times the radio team had a different opinion than many Keyboard-Game time coaches here; promptly settling things. 

 

So I agree: Many fans here are weird. Nonetheless, they will argue vociferously with their right to criticize their QB ad nausem (which they certainly have), regardless of the game, time of year, team or QB success or circumstances. Cam was overtly scrutinized from the moment he arrived in Charlotte (despite wild individual success), right up until the Panthers current coronation playoff/divisional crown/team success. So it doesn't make sense. What do they really want? And why do they continually act this way, since nothing ever appears good enough for many of them (not to say Cam or any other Panther can't be fairly criticized, which he and they certainly can be)?? Hmmmmh?

 

Of course that leads to why (besides not used to having a winner or nice, shiny things)??

 

1) Some may not be true Panther fans

2) Some many not be Panther fans at all

3) Some don't like Cam's perceived personality (why though)

4) Some believed what the media told them, and they can't let go

5) Some have undisclosed racial bias towards Cam they need to come to grips with

6) Some it must be generational (though that doesn't explain their acceptance of A Rog, Big Ben, Tom Brady's antics)

7) Maybe they strive for perfection, and think Cam Newton is the only QB in the NFL that isn't

8) Some may have unmitigated/unresolved feelings for one Andrew Luck

9) Has terrible football knowledge, coupled with a big mouth, and/or overly active fingers

10) A bunch of 9 and 10 yr old Cam Haters on this site (reason unknown; if not from their parents)

[CatMan72]

Unless he makes a big splash in the playoffs Lafell will be suiting up for a different team next year.

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[mcdougal]

Bingo!!!

 

This is what I find most prevalent about this fan site, and many Panther fans. 

 

It's almost like they're not used to winning, or having nice things (Cam), and don't know how to act. 

 

Cause you're right. Many Panther fans seem to take great care on a regular basis of micro-analyzing everything Cam does, whether he or the team is performing well or not. I agree, you just don't see that on other sites or fan bases. They're usually has to be a good reason (terrible performance, bad loss, with QB making key mistakes, etc.). However, here, it seems to go "on and on", on a daily basis, regardless of circumstances. It's almost like, they don't know what to talk about?

 

The Panthers could win a game 30-7, where Cam goes 22-26 throwing with no INT's, and some idiot here will start a thread about Cam's 4 "high or bad throws" in the game, as if it mattered. And they would really mean it (and so would the bunch of Yahoos following him writing equally as passionate and stupidly). Lol. 

 

I would agree (with all due respect), many fans here don't appear sophisticated enough to notice what happens around the QB/on the field all to often. Which if fine. You don't have to be. No ones an expert. However, please don't offer us your unmitigated (and many times) hateful, ignorant or wrong/premature opinion, when you don't have the knowledge, eyes or patience to actually see what happens on the field, and/or around the QB in the first place. 

 

I agree. QB's over throw receivers and make bad passes all the time. This is not something unique to Cam. Never was. It happens every game in the NFL. You also see receivers all over the league make high, bad and finger tip catches all the time that Panthers WR's rarely seem to make. So this incessant criticism of Cam is /surprising/perplexing, especially considering his tenure in the league (3 yrs), progress/individual, and now team success. What do they want from him? Don't' they realize he's already ahead of schedule (I'm speaking for anybody, not just him or his QB contemporaries)? 

 

Even some seemingly bad throws or near INT's from QB's, many times they're mistimed routes or the receiver gave up on the play. It's not always automatically on the QB. But you rarely see certain Panthers fans here take that measured or judicious approach (regardless of what the National TV guys says). The Panthers radio team (who sees the team regularly, and doesn't have any bias or pre-conceived notions) would be the best judge of what happened, if you don't know/had to hedge, can can't wait for Ron Rivera's post game comments. And many times, the radio team had a different opinion, than many Keyboard-Game time coaches here. 

 

So I agree: Many fans here are weird. Nonetheless, they will argue vociferously with their right to criticize their QB ad nausem (which they certainly have), regardless of the game, time of year, team or QB success or circumstances. Cam was overtly scrutinized from the moment he arrived in Charlotte (despite wild individual success), right up until their current coronation playoff/divisional crown/team success. So nothing ever appears good enough for many of them.

 

Of course that leads to why (besides not used to having a winner or nice things)??

 

1) Some may not be true Panther fans

2) Some many not be Panther fans at all

3) Some don't like Cam's perceived personality (why though)

4) Some believed what the media told them, and they can't let go

5) Some have undisclosed racial bias towards Cam they need to come to grips with

6) Some it must be generational (though that doesn't explain their acceptance of A Rog, Big Ben, Tom Brady's antics)

7) Maybe they strive for perfection, and think Cam Newton is the only QB in the NFL that isn't

8) Some may have unmitigated/unresolved feelings for one Andrew Luck

9) Has terrible foot ball knowledge, coupled with a big mouth, or overly active fingers

10) A bunch of 9 and 10 yr old Cam Haters on this site

 

 

Great post. But I must reiterate that point 5 is the most logical. I won't get into another long discussion about this matter but the reason why I truly believe it so is because if you look around the NFL message boards around the web, you generally get the same thing from fan bases of black QBs. 

 

You can think "Oh, maybe its because some of our fans are not sophisticated enough to really assess what is going on with our QB" or "some may just want perfection out of Cam" or "some just really love and believe in him so much that they want him to dominate all the time" 

 

To this I call complete BS. How come Lions fans don't want all these things? What about Dolphins fans? Chicago fans think Cutler is amazing just the way he is.

 

McNabb talked about this regarding Philly fans years ago and everyone said he was "just playing the race card" and Philly just had "a really passionate fan base." A couple of years later, Nashville turned into Philly for both McNair and Young as Titans fans demanded perfect QB play. Same expectations are not there for Locker though.

 

Also, head over to a Texans board and check out the horrifying reaction that fan base has at the prospects of Teddy Bridgewater. It is the SAME reaction a huge portion of the Carolina base had regarding Newton prior to his arrival.

 

 I wonder what fan base will suddenly turn into "passionate" and "simply a hard core" base if Jameis Winston declares next year and he is considered the best QB prospect? 

 

Like clockwork, like clockwork. 

[MadHatter]

Bingo!!!

 

This is what I find most prevalent about this fan site, and many "Panther fans". 

 

It's almost like they're not used to winning, or having nice things (Cam), and don't know how to act. 

 

Cause you're right. Many Panther fans seem to take great care on a regular basis of micro-analyzing everything Cam does, whether he or the team is performing well or not. I agree, you just don't see that on other sites or fan bases. They're usually has to be a good reason (terrible performance, bad loss, with QB making key mistakes, etc.). However, here, it seems to go "on and on", on a daily basis, regardless of circumstances. It's almost like, they don't know what to talk about?

 

The Panthers could win a game 30-7, where Cam goes 22-26 throwing with no INT's, and some idiot here will start a thread about Cam's 4 "high or bad throws" in the game (and it's ramifications going forward), as if it mattered. And they would really mean it (and so would the bunch of Yahoos following him writing equally as passionate and stupidly). Lol. 

 

So I would agree. With all due respect, many fans here don't appear sophisticated enough to notice what happens around the QB/on the field all to often. Which if fine. You don't have to be. No ones claims to be an expert. However, please don't offer us your unmitigated (and many times) hateful, ignorant or wrong/premature, incessant opinion when you apparently don't have the knowledge, eyes or patience to actually see what happens on the field, and/or around the QB in the first place. 

 

I agree. QB's over throw receivers and make bad passes all the time. This is not something unique to Cam. Never was. It happens every game in the NFL. Just turn your TV or computer on. We also see receivers all over the league make high, bad and finger tip catches regularly that Panthers WR's rarely seem to make all year. So this incessant criticism of Cam is certainly surprising/perplexing, especially considering his tenure in the league (3 yrs), progress/individual, and now team success. What do they want from him? Don't' they realize he's already ahead of schedule (I'm speaking for anybody, not just himself or his QB contemporaries)? 

 

Even some seemingly bad throws or near INT's from QB's, many times are mistimed routes, or the receiver gave up on the play. It's not always automatically on the QB. But you rarely see certain Panthers fans here take that measured or judicious approach (regardless of what the National TV guys says). The Panthers radio team (who sees the team regularly, and doesn't have any bias or pre-conceived notions) would be the best judge of what happened if you don't know/had to hedge, can can't wait for Ron Rivera's post game comments. Many times the radio team had a different opinion than many Keyboard-Game time coaches here; settling things. 

 

So I agree: Many fans here are weird. Nonetheless, they will argue vociferously with their right to criticize their QB ad nausem (which they certainly have), regardless of the game, time of year, team or QB success or circumstances. Cam was overtly scrutinized from the moment he arrived in Charlotte (despite wild individual success), right up until the Panthers current coronation playoff/divisional crown/team success. So what do they really want? And why do they continually act this way, since nothing ever appears good enough for many of them (not to say Cam or any other Panther can't be fairly criticized, which he and they certainly can be)??

 

Of course that leads to why (besides not used to having a winner or nice things)??

 

1) Some may not be true Panther fans

2) Some many not be Panther fans at all

3) Some don't like Cam's perceived personality (why though)

4) Some believed what the media told them, and they can't let go

5) Some have undisclosed racial bias towards Cam they need to come to grips with

6) Some it must be generational (though that doesn't explain their acceptance of A Rog, Big Ben, Tom Brady's antics)

7) Maybe they strive for perfection, and think Cam Newton is the only QB in the NFL that isn't

8) Some may have unmitigated/unresolved feelings for one Andrew Luck

9) Has terrible foot ball knowledge, coupled with a big mouth, or overly active fingers

10) A bunch of 9 and 10 yr old Cam Haters on this site

 

Typical post by you....and that is NOT a good thing.

 

You have this long rant about how only uninformed fans with agendas post critical posts about Cam.  Yet, you and all others wills tart posts bashing the running game, WR, coaches, DB's, etc on this team.

 

You are the epitomy of the word hypocrit.

[FootballMaestro]

Typical post by you....and that is NOT a good thing.

 

You have this long rant about how only uninformed fans with agendas post critical posts about Cam.  Yet, you and all others wills tart posts bashing the running game, WR, coaches, DB's, etc on this team.

 

You are the epitomy of the word hypocrit.

 

Thanks for reiterating some of my key points/questions. 

 

Like clockwork (tick tock; tick tock). 

 

Why even bother to respond (SMH Like A Wet Dog)?

[MadHatter]

Thanks for reiterating some of my key points/questions. 

 

Like clockwork (tick tock; tick tock). 

 

Why even bother to respond (SMH Like A Wet Dog)?

 

You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

First...the entire offense is a little off right now.  They were clicking mid way through the season, but have struggled some the last 4-5 games.

 

This struggle has been a combination of playcalling, execution by the OL, WR's not getting great separation.....and Cam having an issue throwing high again.  I have seen way more high and off target passes the past few games that he exhibited in the middle of the season.  I am sure this will be an area of focus during the next two weeks.

 

What has changed from prior years is Cam's ability to dig down deep and make plays when we absolutely need them at the end of the game....he has been spectacular at that.

 

But, your constant diatribes about how any other aspect of this team should be critiqued (but Cam should be off limits) is absurd.

[ajax4132]

Can we lock this thread?

 

It is quickly evolving into irrational and crazy

[FootballMaestro]

Great post. But I must reiterate that point 5 is the most logical. I won't get into another long discussion about this matter but the reason why I truly believe it so is because if you look around the NFL message boards around the web, you generally get the same thing from fan bases of black QBs. 

 

You can think "Oh, maybe its because some of our fans are not sophisticated enough to really assess what is going on with our QB" or "some may just want perfection out of Cam" or "some just really love and believe in him so much that they want him to dominate all the time" 

 

To this I call complete BS. How come Lions fans don't want all these things? What about Dolphins fans? Chicago fans think Cutler is amazing just the way he is.

 

McNabb talked about this regarding Philly fans years ago and everyone said he was "just playing the race card" and Philly just had "a really passionate fan base." A couple of years later, Nashville turned into Philly for both McNair and Young as Titans fans demanded perfect QB play. Same expectations are not there for Locker though.

 

Also, head over to a Texans board and check out the horrifying reaction that fan base has at the prospects of Teddy Bridgewater. It is the SAME reaction a huge portion of the Carolina base had regarding Newton prior to his arrival.

 

 I wonder what fan base will suddenly turn into "passionate" and "simply a hard core" base if Jameis Winston declares next year and he is considered the best QB prospect? 

 

Like clockwork, like clockwork. 

 

What you're saying may or may not be true? I don't know. 

 

I haven't read other fans sites of those black QB's and noticed some of what you're saying, because I've always argued that RG3 and Kaepernick needed work to begin with. So I never disagreed with that notion; thus it never bothered me. 

 

After saying all that; I still think the criticism here with Cam was much worse (even if what you're saying is true to a degree).

 

Remember, the media appeared against Cam to begin with (post Auburn/Daddy brouhaha), and that made it easy for many Panther fans (especially the more ignorant ones) to dislike or root against Cam from the start.

 

Many would like to forget it now, but there was damn near an insurrection on this and other Panther sites when Cam was the known #1 pick, and when he was actually selected (do to unfounded, and untrue ill conceived notions, which many easily fell into). Conversely, not much was known about Kaepernick (rode the bench a season and a half), and RG3; possibly in response to Cam, was celebrated as a "good guy" entering the NFL.

 

Going to North East, and Northwestern more progressive, cosmopolitan cities; such as Seattle in the Northwest; Washington DC, and San Francisco, may have helped them, quell any flippant acrimony as well.

 

So I'm not sure I agree with that, or think it was the same. Remember, Wilson rarely was criticized (though I accept the fact he had to win the job, and wasn't a "scrutinized" high pick). And Kaepernick and RG3 were praised when doing well. I don't think they were picked apart (though it was obvious for some of us to see their flaws) when they were having Team and individual success the way Cam was. 

 

Can you agree with that?

[MadHatter]

With RGII and Kaep getting love and praise in the NFL....and Bridgewater being considered the top pick....I think the whole discrimination against the black QB is ridiculous and should be put to bed.

 

I agree that Cam has endured more criticism and crap from the media that RGII/Kaep and a hell of a lot more than he has EVER deserved.  But, I do not think it is because of the color of his skin.

 

I am not exactly sure why he rubbed the media the wrong way.

 

Had stolen laptop in college.....hell, all of my electronics in college were bought for way below market value and had a 99.9% chance of being hot

 

Plagerized on a paper in college....anyone who says they have never plagerized on a term paper is likely a liar

 

Dad supposedly trying to get money for his play....nothing to do with Cam even if it was true

 

Entertainer/Icon statement....maybe not the smartest thing he said, but was no big deal.  He has proven to be a great teamate and leader.  Guy definitely has a strong work ethic

 

We will end all of this media crap this offseason.  Once we hoist the Lombardi, Cam will be viewed as an elite QB.  A QB who can still improve and develop (which is even scarier)....but an elite QB none the less.