Officially Concerned about the Offense

[mcdougal]

Does anybody else have NFL Rewind? If you do you should check out the Newton/Olsen TD in the 3rd Quarter.

 

Great job by the Oline working hard to sustain their blocks. Cam worked hard as well.

 

But something I want to point out. Look at the receivers for the entire play. After running their routes and not being thrown the ball, Lafell, Ginn, and Tolbert literally stop trying. They just stood there while Cam scanned the field. When Cam briefly scrambled to the left. Lafell and Ginn did nothing and Tolbert actually turned around (possibly to block, but I doubt it).

 

The only weapons that actually tried was Hixon and Olsen. Hixon did a great job of scrambling and Olsen kept trying to given Newton a window to throw into.

 

 

So you have your number one and number two WRs for the day completely giving up in the redzone down by 3 points.

 

Yet we wonder why our offense seems so bad.

 

You literally have your first options looking at Newton as if they were sitting court side at a Bobcats game.  

[Matthias]

There's no question we are better on offense with Steve Smith out there.  However I will say when we need to score, we tend to rise to the occasion more than not.

[jptaylor84]

Cam can improve of course he can, but every dam player in every position thinks that about themselves and I'm sure every fan thinks so of every player on there team too!

Cam has grown as a man this year on and off the field, and I think he doesnt do the things he's done on the field this year without the work he put in off it, and he should take alot of respect for that, because he went away and analyzed himself as a man and as a player!, even his harshest critic shouldn't be able to disagree he's more mature and accountable! I mean honestly who would have said this guy would be able to be a clutch qb and take the team the length of the field in the last seconds? I admit I doubted it when he's sulking and making bad throws a year or two ago! But he has, and he's done it lwith limited weapons and without the protection of a good Oline and a very conservative play caller

[footballisasport]

Sadly I think most "fans" decided 3 years ago whether they were going to like/support Cam or not.

There's nothing Cam can do right in the eyes of his non supporters. And nothing Cam can do to change there minds.

This isn't a shot at you ajax4132.

It's really hard for me to wrap my mind around some folks hating Cam so much because of the color of his skin. They would find all sorts of shallow reasons to defend that hate instead of accepting the fact that it's wrong. They claim to love this team but would do everything in their power to destory a kid who wants to help a team they supposedly love so much, simply because of the hue of his complexion.

 

It must be even harder for them to accept the reality that genetically, we're ALL the same. The only difference is the envirornment in which our ancestors grew up. So techincally Cam is a well tanned future Peyton Manning. :)

[*FreeFua*]

Does anybody else have NFL Rewind? If you do you should check out the Newton/Olsen TD in the 3rd Quarter.

Great job by the Oline working hard to sustain their blocks. Cam worked hard as well.

But something I want to point out. Look at the receivers for the entire play. After running their routes and not being thrown the ball, Lafell, Ginn, and Tolbert literally stop trying. They just stood there while Cam scanned the field. When Cam briefly scrambled to the left. Lafell and Ginn did nothing and Tolbert actually turned around (possibly to block, but I doubt it).

The only weapons that actually tried was Hixon and Olsen. Hixon did a great job of scrambling and Olsen kept trying to given Newton a window to throw into.

So you have your number one and number two WRs for the day completely giving up in the redzone down by 3 points.

Yet we wonder why our offense seems so bad.

You literally have your first options looking at Newton as if they were sitting court side at a Bobcats game.

Good post.

Wanna do me favor? I have all the games on video but I don't have NFL Rewind and the camera angles you have access to.

During the Miami game there was a play where Newton some how got away from Vernon and Wake. Rolled out and was looking down field. It was 3rd and 22, 4th quarter 6 minutes left. Newton ends up tossing up a prayer to Olsen. From the one replay I get on the TV broadcast who do I see down field holding hands next to the sidelines. LaFell and Ginn, both just watching Cam. I see Smitty looking to get the ball and flashing his hands but he would end up being way short of the first down. Tolbert is looking to block in case Newton wants to run. So he sends one Greg's way in hopes of getting a first down.

Can you go and look at this play and just let me know if what I see from my crappy one replay is correct. Please and thank you. Ill give you some pie if you care about that stuff.

[ajax4132]

I understand people are tired of the undercover bigots and blind haters. I am just saying there is an area he can improve on.

 

I think with an offseason and d moncrief and a robinson/matthews in the draft we can repeat as SB champions

[Evengelion]

I think you have hit the nail on the head as to what is wrong with some of these fans. They are clueless and is too arrogant to admit it, so they sit and post stuff that make you go WTF simply because Cam is an easy target.

 

First off, if one watches enough football, one would realize that what we see as viewers isn't always what a QB will see. They have seconds to make quick decisions and some already planned where they want to place those balls and expect the receivers to get them. Panthers fans act like Cam should notice every open Receiver because they do.

 

In all honesty, I believe they will say the Offense needs to be fix but when you read these thread 90 percent is  what is wrong with Cam. It's like they are saying, fix Cam and the Offense will be fine. He doesn't need weapons, he just need to correct all of the little things they find wrong with him and the offense would be fine. I seriously wonder if any of these fans watch other teams play objectively.

 

I honestly find myself shaking my head at some of the stuff I read on here. I can't believe some of the stuff posted by those who act like they know what they are talking about. But I tell you one thing, the space between reality and fantasy with some on here  is enormous. And some of them act like they can't think outside of the instructions from the media.

Looks like it's the nature of this fanbase. Reading this forum and lurking on other team's forum, I have to admit other fan-bases are so much more seasoned and better knowledge. This fan-base think they're so smart because they notice an overthrow and that no other QBs are making overthrows. A lot of people here still don't know how this fandom thing work yet. A lot seems to believe that the job of a fan is to seek flaws of the same thing they're supporting. It is what it is, I guess. Following this panther team would be so much easier with a more affluent and well knowledge fan-base. The Tinderbox tone to this forum in regard to this 12-4 team is sometimes unnecessary.

[panthers55]

You're funny dude. Throwing a receiver open is just situational awareness and instinct, and the play dictates it. Everyone knows how to do it. It's natural human ability. It's not just a football thing, guy. It's not something a coach can be like "this season we're not gonna throw direct to receivers, we're gonna thrown them open". In fact, every single catch that was defended was thrown open to the receiver. You see, you probably heard the announcers mention 'throwing receivers open' then you start looking for it in panthers game and start yapping about it when it's not too obvious to you.

 

For example, on a slant pass if the QB throws the ball directly to the receiver he'll overrun it and will be behind him. So the QB normally throw it ahead so the WR can run to it. Every QB know how to throw a slant.

 

And, what if that receiver could not come out of his break, what do you think would happen to that pass? You seem to be ranting about a specific in-completion instead of using logic. You rant would be well-founded if you were referring to a QB who couldn't complete 60% of his passes.

Actually you are the funny one.  Every quarterback can throw a receiver open and every quarterback is accurate enough and has the chemistry with his receivers in order to know how they will respond in every situation and will vary their route based on the coverage.  It is natural human ability.

 

What a ridiculous statement.  Lets ask Clausen how natural it was.  

 

And you act as if quarterbacks and receivers are playing pitch and catch on the practice field instead of playing a game against a defense intent on disrupting them.  Add that your extremely concrete explanation of what you think I was talking about doesn't address the issue at all.  Of course if you throw a pass to a running receiver without leading him, you are going to throw behind him. But that is not what I am talking about.  Guys like Brees are always throwing the ball to spots where he expects the receiver to be and everything is timing. The receiver often hasn't even made his break let alone having come out of his break. That is the type of offense they run.  We don't do that with Cam. And with the exception of Smitty and Olsen, he doesn't have the chemistry with his current receivers to know they will get to the spot and either catch the ball or at least knock it down. Cam can throw some timing routes.  He can throw the short and medium out routes as timing patterns. But he usually throws the ball once the receiver comes out of his break or when he can see he is open. He scans the field looking for an open guy then throws the ball to them trying to get the ball there before the defense gets there. As many times as not they are coming out of their breaks and stand there or move across the field in a hole in the zone.  He likes to know where players are before throwing the ball instead of guys like Manning who throw the ball with great accuracy to a spot. That is what I was talking about.  Something very few quarterbacks can do that well.

 

And honestly 60% is really a tribute to Shula and their joint collaboration.

[Davidson Deac II]

So essentially you want to use our primary resources (possibly the first three picks according to you) to upgrade our role players on offense. It makes little sense to me that you are saying that Newton needs to step up because "well we all know his the talent around him is crap" and he is the "star" so he should just get it done.

 

It seems to me by your own admission, the talent surrounding Newton is so inadequate that we need to spend at least 2 high picks and possible a 3rd to correct it.

 

Maybe the "star" can only do so much.

 

Offensive lineman are no more "role players" than any other position on offense.   They are components of offensive success every bit as important as wide receivers and running backs.  Based on Gettleman's "hog mollies" comments, he likely feels the same way. 

 

We need to upgrade at WR/OL/CB.  I would venture to say that right now, offensive line is the most critical need as Gross and Wharton are aging.  We probably need at least two new offensive linemen to improve the group, whereas just one good wide receiver pickup would suffice for this offseason, and maybe pick up another in the 2015 draft. 

 

And I don't think Kendrick said we should use ALL our top 3 picks on oline.   Although given our success with using two top picks for defensive linemen last year, using two of them is not outside the realm of possibilities. 

[mc52beast]

This is why I want the Packers.... I think we can score on them even with us playing subpar.

[footballisasport]

Looks like it's the nature of this fanbase. Reading this forum and lurking on other team's forum, I have to admit other fan-bases are so much more seasoned and better knowledge. This fan-base think they're so smart because they notice an overthrow and that no other QBs are making overthrows. A lot of people here still don't know how this fandom thing work yet. A lot seems to believe that the job of a fan is to seek flaws of the same thing they're supporting. It is what it is, I guess. Following this panther team would be so much easier with a more affluent and well knowledge fan-base. The Tinderbox tone to this forum in regard to this 12-4 team is sometimes unnecessary.

 

What is so funny is, the Panthers is a very good team. Yes, they have holes that need to be fix on both sides of the ball, ut folks are harping on about the Offense, or should I say Cam as if this team was playing like the Giants.  Far from it.

 

 But let's face it, even with the Offense struggles, they are putting up enough points on the board which makes the defense work not in vain. For the past two seasons, the Defense never did such a thing for the Offense when they were the ones carring this team. It was heartbreaking watching the Offense put up #s and they were never enough because of the defense gave them all back by allowing the opposing teams to score so easily. Even worst was coming on this site and reading some of the ridiculous threads where fans were faulting the Offense and saying the same BS they are bitching about with Cam and the Offense. He wasn't good enough when the Offense was playing well and the Defense wasn't, and he's not good enough now. I guess he will never be good enough then. Might as well trade him. :)

[top dawg]

When did the receivers bail out Cam yesterday?

Carolina's receivers had a combined 4 catches for 22 yards. All 4 of those catches hit the receivers right in the hands.

 

Damn, dude, that's absolutely awful. Not that I had a buzz in the first place (you know me when it comes to our WRs), but that's a total buzz kill. 

 

WRs who combined for 22 yards, and the future number 1 (LOL) with a goose egg. The most blind homer should be able to see that we need to draft a couple of legit play-makers at WR in April.  

 

Just terrible.  

[Davidson Deac II]

This is why I want the Packers.... I think we can score on them even with us playing subpar.

 

I think that is true with the Eagles as well.  Just a few weeks ago, they allowed Minnesota to score 45+ with Adrian Peterson out. 

 

The question is, would we rather face Aaron Rodgers or Foles. While the Eagles qb has played well, I would still rather go up against the Foles. 

[Evengelion]

Actually you are the funny one.  Every quarterback can throw a receiver open and every quarterback is accurate enough and has the chemistry with his receivers in order to know how they will respond in every situation and will vary their route based on the coverage.  It is natural human ability.

 

What a ridiculous statement.  Lets ask Clausen how natural it was.  

 

And you act as if quarterbacks and receivers are playing pitch and catch on the practice field instead of playing a game against a defense intent on disrupting them.  Add that your extremely concrete explanation of what you think I was talking about doesn't address the issue at all.  Of course if you throw a pass to a running receiver without leading him, you are going to throw behind him. But that is not what I am talking about.  Guys like Brees are always throwing the ball to spots where he expects the receiver to be and everything is timing. The receiver often hasn't even made his break let alone having come out of his break. That is the type of offense they run.  We don't do that with Cam. And with the exception of Smitty and Olsen, he doesn't have the chemistry with his current receivers to know they will get to the spot and either catch the ball or at least knock it down. Cam can throw some timing routes.  He can throw the short and medium out routes as timing patterns. But he usually throws the ball once the receiver comes out of his break or when he can see he is open. He scans the field looking for an open guy then throws the ball to them trying to get the ball there before the defense gets there. As many times as not they are coming out of their breaks and stand there or move across the field in a hole in the zone.  He likes to know where players are before throwing the ball instead of guys like Manning who throw the ball with great accuracy to a spot. That is what I was talking about.  Something very few quarterbacks can do that well.

 

And honestly 60% is really a tribute to Shula and their joint collaboration.

Actually, Cam also completed 60% of his passes his rookie year when he threw for over 4000 yards. Whose tribute was that to? Fail!