Browns To Fire Chudzinski [edit: he got dumped]

[Doc Holiday]

Ask Steve Smith. Or are you more knowledgable than the GOAT Panther? Hell, ask Cam or DeAngelo.

what do you expect them to Say? oh yeah we like Chud we wish we had him over our Current OC? they are never going to say that .  and I'm sure D-will really doesn't like Chud because he liked to pass, but also with how badly he has played the last few seasons I can't exactly blame Chud for not using him.  D-will has been borderline bad for most of the last 3 years since he got paid.

[FootballMaestro]

By the Numbers we were the 7th ranked offense in 2011 and 50 total yards out of 7th ranked offense, in 2012.  but lets not deny the Offense has taken a serious dive without him, you think we have 4 straight 3 and outs against the Saints if we had Chud? I don't think so.

 

I honestly don't like Shula and hope we replace him with either Chud or Turner next season. an upgrade is needed to someone who's not afraid to open it up. 

 

Panther offense was top 5 in 2011, up until the last day of the season, which is why Panther fans still say "5th ranked (along with the blow outs, with Cam resting, towards the end)". So they pretty much were. Both who's quibbling?

[Doc Holiday]

Better is better. Offense is more efficient and effective as is Cam under Shula.

I am not a Shula guy. I want Norv.

and keep in mind, the 2013 supporting O cast for Cam is the worst he has had here

Again I point to our last 5 games under chud last season when he had the offense roaring. 

 

as a whole Cam played very poorly over the first half of the season last year, but had a coming of age over the last 5 games and played like a man. Shula benefits to having a more matured Cam Newton after Chud had him while going through the growing pains.

[CRA]

Again I point to our last 5 games under chud last season when he had the offense roaring.

as a whole Cam played very poorly over the first half of the season last year, but had a coming of age over the last 5 games and played like a man. Shula benefits to having a more matured Cam Newton after Chud had him while going through the growing pains.

You mean when he called a Shula like offense?

[fieryprophet]

what do you expect them to Say? oh yeah we like Chud we wish we had him over our Current OC? they are never going to say that . and I'm sure D-will really doesn't like Chud because he liked to pass, but also with how badly he has played the last few seasons I can't exactly blame Chud for not using him. D-will has been borderline bad for most of the last 3 years since he got paid.

89 don't hold back. He has been adamant that Chud was a problem and strongly defends Shula. You think he would ding Chud if he wasn't a problem?

[Zaximus]

I just want Shula gone.  If we can get Norv out of this, that is a win.

[CRA]

I just want Shula gone. If we can get Norv out of this, that is a win.

I want our OL fixed first and foremost.....

Our rush attack is a joke. We need to give Cam a rush attack to playoff of not one were he is forced to pad their stats so they don't look bad

[mcdougal]

i guess norv chose poorly.

 

 

lol. perfect.

[Raskle]

fug you Norv Turner you picked the wrong team. Now go get him Ron and demote Shula.

I'd be ok with this, provided Shula doesn't dominate in the playoffs

[FootballMaestro]

Again I point to our last 5 games under chud last season when he had the offense roaring. 

 

as a whole Cam played very poorly over the first half of the season last year, but had a coming of age over the last 5 games and played like a man. Shula benefits to having a more matured Cam Newton after Chud had him while going through the growing pains.

Huh? I'm not trying to jump into this argument:

 

But It was "Chud's offense" that screwed up Cam's first half of the season in the first place (not his "growing pains"), and Rivera has already acknowledged this to Albert Breer at NFL.com

 

And it took Chud, making the offense more conventional, when Cam played much better the second half of the season, after the Chud first half shenanigans. 

 

This is all documented via Albert Breer, and local papers. This is not the National Media or fans, who don't follow the Panthers or Cam's development.  

[Doc Holiday]

You mean when he called a Shula like offense?

Was it Chud calling the game?

 

 

It's a different ball game when you know you can't rely on the Defense(last two years) and when You can(this year),  you tend to go to more gimmicky plays hoping you can pull something off(watch Tampa bay lately?).  And that's what has made watching the Offense this season so frustrating, last year we were winning in spite of the Defense and lost a lot of games because of them, but this year like the Falcons game today and the Saints game last week we have won in Spite of the Offense, Honestly these past two weeks with our season on the line to watch the Offense almost piss it away has been infuriating to me so yeah I'm over Shula, he's turning into what everyone was fearing that he would turn into mid season, I just hope we get our poo together before we either play the Eagles or the NFCC, because if this is all our offense can do we are in serious trouble.

[Carolina Cajun]

I don't mind Chud's offensive philosophy, but I can't bring myself to want him to come back, even though I really want Shula to go somewhere, anywhere else.  Chud was a divisive cancer in the locker room as by the comments of panthers this season.  My guess is that more than the performance on the field, there was a negative feel in the locker room because of him, and that's probably why he's not gonna be a coach there next season.

[CRA]

Was it Chud calling the game?

It's a different ball game when you know you can't rely on the Defense(last two years) and when You can(this year), and that's what has made watching the Offense this season so frustrating, last year we were winning in spite of the Defense and lost a lot of games because of them, but this year like the Falcons game today and the Saints game last week we have won in Spite of the Offense, Honestly these past two weeks with our season on the line to watch the Offense almost piss it away has been infuriating to me so yeah I'm over Shula, he's turning into what everyone was fearing that he would turn into mid season, I just hope we get our poo together before we either play the Eagles or the NFCC, because if this is all our offense can do we are in serious trouble.

Yes, the end of 2012 Chud was calling the O......one that looked like the one Shula has run all season

I am not a Shula fanboy and I think our O is weak....but Chud sucks.

[Zaximus]

I want our OL fixed first and foremost.....

Our rush attack is a joke. We need to give Cam a rush attack to playoff of not one were he is forced to pad their stats so they don't look bad

 

OL was pretty good in pass protection today and has been mostly, the right side is bad though but we'll get people back.  If we had running backs who can create their own holes, we could run.  DWill sucks without a huge open hole so he NEEDS a top-5 line (like in 2008) and Stewart is about the same.  Tolbert can make his own holes but Shula forgets he's on the roster for 3/4 of the game usually.