Panthers likely to begin contract discussions with Cam this Offseason

[Happy Panther]

I don't know....so many are smoke and mirrors.

Guaranteed money? I think that is what matters most and I expect that to be at least 50

 

OK well that would certainly put him as one of the highest paid QBs. That is Aaron Rodgers type money

[Evengelion]

Sometimes it's not just the money but the respect of that player throughout the league and the media. You can't pay a franchise QB peanuts and expect his OL to put all on the line for him. But if that QB is the most valuable and invested player on the field most likely other players will put everything on the line for him to protect him. The 5 mil guy can be pooed on and disrespected by the media at will. On the other hand, everyone have to reconsider disrespecting a guy making 20 mil.

 

The thing that makes Cam so valuable is that he's not a system guy. Put him in any team today and he'll do the same or even more than what he's currently doing. Put Cam on the bear's roster with those 2 receivers and that TE you have yourself a superbowl contender. Because the skill players on the panther is so anemic Cam's agent have so much leverage. You can't really say "without this player on offense Cam couldn't do X, Y, and Z".

 

You can't argue that he should take less so they can put more offensive players around him because he can always counter argue that they haven't done so even though he was making only 5 mil. Really, to what young franchise player the rest of the $115 mil went?

 

You can argue the panthers have a good defense but Cam can also can counter argue that SF/Seattle have a great D too  with a whole lot better weapons on offense(SF would probably go undefeated with Cam). Additionally, Cam can also add that the team depends a lot on his rushing ability to keep up with good teams.

 

Because the Panthers have no other franchise type player on offense eating much of the salary cap which Cam relies on, the pendulum is tilted on Cam's side overwhelmingly. RBs barely show up(no 1000yard rusher), WRs are a ragtag bunch(no 1000yards receiver, top receiver is a TE with only 67 catches), no great OL to rely on, etc. Cam's argument could easily be, what exactly is the Salary cap paying for offensively?

[PantherPhann89]

Oohh wee mann, the cap is make it tough to keep this team together...

[tiger7_88]

 

 

Seems right. Cam isn't getting $20M per year unless it is a quirky structure but he will get a very nice contract.

 

 

 

If he wants it, he'll get it.

 

Do you think the Panthers are prepared to watch him walk out the door?  Or that another team wouldn't be prepared to pay it if the Panthers aren't?

 

The ONLY factor holding Cam back from making that much is himself (i.e. what others have noted, he's prepared to take a home-town discount to help build a better team).

 

P.S The idiot exec who compared Cam's leverage or skill level to a Matt Schaub contract?  Well, the NFL is still full of idiots.  All you have to do is look around at some of the teams in the league to prove that.

[FootballMaestro]

If he wants it, he'll get it.

 

Do you think the Panthers are prepared to watch him walk out the door?  Or that another team wouldn't be prepared to pay it if the Panthers aren't?

 

The ONLY factor holding Cam back from making that much is himself (i.e. what others have noted, he's prepared to take a home-town discount to help build a better team).

 

P.S The idiot exec who compared Cam's leverage or skill level to a Matt Schaub contract?  Well, the NFL is still full of idiots.  All you have to do is look around at some of the teams in the league to prove that.

Gotta be/sounds like Bill Polian. :startle:   :phew:  :startle: Lol

[CRA]

OK well that would certainly put him as one of the highest paid QBs. That is Aaron Rodgers type money

Sam Bradford got 50 guaranteed in his rookie deal. Stafford wasn't that far off either with his rookie deal. Those were both years ago.

[FootballMaestro]

Sam Bradford got 50 guaranteed in his rookie deal. Stafford wasn't that far off either with his rookie deal. Those were both years ago.

 

Though he's "only" a third year player. Cam could pretty much get what he wants, come to think of it?

 

It will be more up to how Gettleman appeals to Cam's team unity side, in regards to what type of contract he walks away with (provided he's not franchised for one year). 

 

Unless Cam has a playoff bomb (and even then), he's holding all the leverage. He could get $18-$20 mil a year if he wanted. What's the Panther gonna do, if they refused and he said "Okay, no problem, I'll walk"? You think Jerry ("Cam Newton is the Last Quarterback I'll Every Sign") Richardson and Gettlemen would let him do that? Lol

 

Unlike many of the fans and media, who don't know better; NFL execs do know (through the Panthers coaches and executives) Cam's work ethic, drive, and desire to be the best (along with what he's done for, and his value to this Franchise to begin with). So comparatively speaking, all things being considered; there's little risk (i.e., no more than anyone else). 

 

The fact that the Panthers would try to lock up Cam early now, would only give him more leverage if he chose not to sign another deal. They know what they have, and potentially lies ahead.   

[Happy Panther]

If he wants it, he'll get it.

 

Do you think the Panthers are prepared to watch him walk out the door?  Or that another team wouldn't be prepared to pay it if the Panthers aren't?

 

 

We will not let him walk which is why we wrap him up this offseason. Other teams can't make an offer so that is moot.

 

I just don't seem him making more than superbowl winners Brady, Peyton, Eli, Big Ben, Brees etc unless he gets close to a ring this year. A majority of the the top 8 or so contracts are the result of superbowl wins. If he takes us to the superbowl then give him the keys to the city.

 

If not there is still a market rate for QBs and a salary cap to deal with. $15-18M is a great contract for his potential.

[Evengelion]

Not sure what you are blathering on about but I am predicting $15-18M per year. If you think it will be $20M that's great. I just don't think it will be that high.

That's possible. But, remember, the panthers have no argument for Cam to stay. Here are what most other teams have that the panthers doesn't have: Franchise LT, RB, WR. Cam could go to any team selecting top 5 in the draft and find all of those waiting for him. As for the defense, the media talk of them as a  nucleus because they have no pro-bowl type corner. This team is overachieving because Cam controls the clock and momentum of the game. He could go do that in any other organization. A team with the #1 pick in the draft would salivate at the thought of bringing Cam in and using that pick on other positions. It's not what the panthers is willing to offer, it's what an organization with, say, 35+ mil under the cap is willing to offer.

 

The jets maybe? They're built very similar to us with maybe the better defense, better OL, and a boatload of cap space. With the panther's average roster they should be loaded in cap space too. Can't expect Cam to accept anything under his market value because management screwed up giving all their 2nd stringers 12 mil/year.

[Happy Panther]

Sam Bradford got 50 guaranteed in his rookie deal. Stafford wasn't that far off either with his rookie deal. Those were both years ago.

 

Bradford's contract is a complete outlier in this. The Rams simply made a mistake.

 

http://overthecap.com/top-player-salaries.php?Position=QB

[MechaZain]

His career has been a huge hometown discount. It would be nice to get another but I have no qualms with him getting the farm at this point.

[mav1234]

Sometimes it's not just the money but the respect of that player throughout the league and the media. You can't pay a franchise QB peanuts and expect his OL to put all on the line for him. But if that QB is the most valuable and invested player on the field most likely other players will put everything on the line for him to protect him. The 5 mil guy can be pooed on and disrespected by the media at will. On the other hand, everyone have to reconsider disrespecting a guy making 20 mil.

 

The thing that makes Cam so valuable is that he's not a system guy. Put him in any team today and he'll do the same or even more than what he's currently doing. Put Cam on the bear's roster with those 2 receivers and that TE you have yourself a superbowl contender. Because the skill players on the panther is so anemic Cam's agent have so much leverage. You can't really say "without this player on offense Cam couldn't do X, Y, and Z".

 

You can't argue that he should take less so they can put more offensive players around him because he can always counter argue that they haven't done so even though he was making only 5 mil. Really, to what young franchise player the rest of the $115 mil went?

 

You can argue the panthers have a good defense but Cam can also can counter argue that SF/Seattle have a great D too  with a whole lot better weapons on offense(SF would probably go undefeated with Cam). Additionally, Cam can also add that the team depends a lot on his rushing ability to keep up with good teams.

 

Because the Panthers have no other franchise type player on offense eating much of the salary cap which Cam relies on, the pendulum is tilted on Cam's side overwhelmingly. RBs barely show up(no 1000yard rusher), WRs are a ragtag bunch(no 1000yards receiver, top receiver is a TE with only 67 catches), no great OL to rely on, etc. Cam's argument could easily be, what exactly is the Salary cap paying for offensively?

 

While I don't think we should try to low ball Cam at all, I think one thing you have to remember is that Gman has had only one offseason and he clearly focused on defense last year, while just trying to get some low-end FAs to help the offense (which, btw, one would have expected would have done great this year with those additions, but I think the change in coordinator has caused some drop off in production, though not a ton). 

 

Cam does have all the leverage tho and he's going to get paid.

 

I don't expect him to take a pay cut for this team, and I don't think he should.

[mav1234]

That's possible. But, remember, the panthers have no argument for Cam to stay. Here are what most other teams have that the panthers doesn't have: Franchise LT, RB, WR. Cam could go to any team selecting top 5 in the draft and find all of those waiting for him. As for the defense, the media talk of them as a  nucleus because they have no pro-bowl type corner. This team is overachieving because Cam controls the clock and momentum of the game. He could go do that in any other organization. A team with the #1 pick in the draft would salivate at the thought of bringing Cam in and using that pick on other positions. It's not what the panthers is willing to offer, it's what an organization with, say, 35+ mil under the cap is willing to offer.

 

The jets maybe? They're built very similar to us with maybe the better defense, better OL, and a boatload of cap space. With the panther's average roster they should be loaded in cap space too. Can't expect Cam to accept anything under his market value because management screwed up giving all their 2nd stringers 12 mil/year.

 

 

uhh what?

 

Are you suggesting Cam is going to walk away from the Panthers because they won't pay him $30 mil a year?

[frash.exe]

I'm pretty sure most franchises don't have a franchise RB. Not that they need one anyway since a lot of those teams are winning