Can we discuss Smitty's absense, and it's effect on our Offense?

[footballisasport]

Me personally, I think Cam is better than all of them, 

 

Thats why I put him in the top 10, but he isn't elite yet. He will get there though, sooner rather than later. 

 

Throwing receivers open is essential in being a great qb, Cam has been doing that well this season. However when you lose a guy like #89 who can compensate for the occasional bad pass, you have to be even more precise and deliberate in each throw.

 

Thats what has made Tom Brady successful and what will make Cam unbeatable

 

Three things: Tom Brady makes many bad throws but his receivers get the blame from the media. Smitty for as good as he is, is not getting younger and isn't Cam's A.J. Green nor Megatron. Cam is a threat to those who want to pigeon-hole him. That is 99% of the white media.

 

It is clear those in the media are intentionally painting Cam as nothing more than a typical "mobile QB" because they are narrowminded and he's a threat to their image of "traditional" QB.  No matter how he performs or does with this team, they will find ways of saying,he's good but not good enough to be amongst their "elite QBs" which when you realize, are pretty much all white. The more he proves the nay-sayers wrong, the more they find something new and even more petty to latch onto so they can dismiss him. What is happening to Cam is a damn shame, especially in this time and age. A black QB will NEVER be placed in the same realm as the chosen QBs who are usually white.

 

As a matter of fact, there was a Luck/Russel discussion on NFLN a couple of weeks ago. And they were discussing which QB would have a longer career in the NFL. The automatic answer was Luck. And what was the rational? That he was more of a "traditional pocket passing" QB. Whatever that means. Pretty much saying the Russell could never be trained to become a Pocker Passing QB. Hmmmmmm

 

It's has gotten so bad that whenever Cam's name comes up in a conversation on ESPN/NFLN, you can pretty feel the energy shift. Many of the blacks Analysts will either sing his praises, while the whites start with the usual subject observation of his so called "maturity, decision making skills and leadership," or the blacks will tow the talking points line and stick to the script. I've noticed that even when they interview Rivera, it's the same BS questions they have created for Cam.  But when someone like Luke is mentioned, the whites comes to life and it's endless praises. Cam seems to be hurting a whole lot of white folks egos and they seem hellbent on not being proven wrong.

[Jens]

Jesus your posts are long.

too long..

I didn't read.

 

To the left, to the left and did i say to the left

[CatMan72]

The good news in all of this is that we've become much less dependant on Smitty. That's not a knock against Smith, and we're better off with him on the field but Cam has evolved to the point where he's going through his reads and finding the open guy regardless of the # on his jersey. 

 

Take the game winning drive against the Saints as an example, Ginn and Hixon helped make that happen. I may be crazy, but I feel comfortable with Olsen, LaFell, Ginn and Hixon. 

[Peppers90 NC]

smith is our best route runner and it isn't close.  he can get open on almost any one-on-one match up and that is key especially on third downs.

[PghPanther]

smith is our best route runner and it isn't close.  he can get open on almost any one-on-one match up and that is key especially on third downs.

 

That is a good point.............Olsen is our alternative at best to substitute for Smith..............Smith can still be on the sidelines adding insight, inspiration and leadership  for the WRs and offense at least.

[mav1234]

 

Also, FYI, the whole Cam has accuracy issues is just as much a myth as the him having a second season slump last year. Every fugging QB mis-fires a ball or two. No one ever accuse Peyton, Brady, or Brees of having inaccuracy issues when they mis-fire or over throw a ball or 5, and they have been playing the game longer.

 

This is 100% true.  People harp about Cam but his accuracy issues are not nearly as bad as people make them out to be.  He's a young QB, he's developing, and he misfires sometimes.  so does everyone. 

 

Of all the young QBs, I would put Cam, Dalton, and Russel in the top three.  

 

I would, too.

 

Would you put any of those three in "elite" category with Manning, Brees, Brady, Rodgers already?  

 

I wouldn't - but I wouldn't expect them to be since they're all young QBs!

 

I think that is what Ajax was trying to get it, but I may be wrong.

[mav1234]

On the loss of Smith:

 

It'll hurt our offense, but we can win without him.  It'll help having a week with other WRs as #1 as far as how the offense will look, but we undeniably lose something without Smitty.  I disagree with this being "good" for Cam by forcing him to spread the ball around.  We're on track to have 4 receivers over 600 yards and 6 with at least 100 yards.  Cam is doing amazingly well spreading the ball around to the targets he has.

 

I personally feel that Ginn and Lafell are going to need to step up this week, especially Ginn, for us to have a chance.  Without Smitty, he's our real threat to stretch the field and I hope we find ways to do that against the young Atlanta secondary.

[Happy Panther]

Honestly, don't you have any integrity? Don't you feel an ounce of shame when you set out to create threads like these about your QB, especially when you know it's reeking with BS. Are you that desparate for attention?

 

Also, FYI, the whole Cam has accuracy issues is just as much a myth as the him having a second season slump last year. Every fugging QB mis-fires a ball or two. No one ever accuse Peyton, Brady, or Brees of having inaccuracy issues when they mis-fire or over throw a ball or 5, and they have been playing the game longer.

 

I seriously want to know why some of you are so quick to want to believe every false ish about this kid, even worst is you will join the A-holish behavior by creating your own myths about him. Does it seriously bother some of you to see a black QB playing so exceptionally well that you feel you need to control him by undermining him? 

 

BTW the same folks who are spewing the myth about Cam will turning around and worshipping the kid for his perfect throws and game plays. It's like we can't control this kid's talent, so we will make a big deal over every ish he does. That is how we will control him.

 

IMO, if you have to spend every game treating Cam like he's at the Combine where you feel you need to check every throw for perfect loft, zip and height, than that means there isn't a fugging thign wrong with him and the problem is YOU!

 

I wonder if the media push false story of Cam raping someone, how many of you will still believe he must have done something, even it was proven to be a false story? Some of you are so downright obvious. Just saying!!!

 

Step 1) Find a single poster with an opinion you don't like (doesn't have to be in the current thread)

Step 2) Create a post calling out a mysterious majority of "you" people with this opinion

Step 3) Make ad hominem attacks against nobody in particular

Step 4) Play the race card in strawman fashion

Step 5) Rape reference

 

Well done sir!

[ajax4132]

 

 

 

This is 100% true.  People harp about Cam but his accuracy issues are not nearly as bad as people make them out to be.  He's a young QB, he's developing, and he misfires sometimes.  so does everyone. 

 

 

I would, too.

 

Would you put any of those three in "elite" category with Manning, Brees, Brady, Rodgers already?  

 

I wouldn't - but I wouldn't expect them to be since they're all young QBs!

 

I think that is what Ajax was trying to get it, but I may be wrong.

 

On the money

[ncmonzta]

I get tired of hearing Cam isn't on the level of the elites because he doesn't elevate the players around him.  Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Brees all had some pretty good help.  Each of them also had great defenses during the SB winning seasons.

 

Lets take a look at the 'help':

 

Manning:Welker,Wayne,Harrison,Clark, Edgerrin James, Stokely, Welker, Addai, defense, coaches

Brady:Troy Brown, Deion Branch, Moss, Welker, Givens,Gronk,Hernandez,Stallworth,Watson,Dillon,defense,cheating ass coaches

Rodgers:Jennings,Nelson, Finley,Cobb at the same damn time+defense

Brees-Graham, Colston,Sproles,Henderson,Moore,Bush,defense

 

Everyone of those Wr's could take over our#2 receiver spot.  Add the fact that they also had great defense each time they won the superbowl, and you see they don't do it alone.

[mav1234]

I get tired of hearing Cam isn't on the level of the elites because he doesn't elevate the players around him.  Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Brees all had some pretty good help.  Each of them also had great defenses during the SB winning seasons.

 

Lets take a look at the 'help':

 

Manning:Welker,Wayne,Harrison,Clark, Edgerrin James, Stokely, Welker, Addai, defense, coaches

Brady:Troy Brown, Deion Branch, Moss, Welker, Givens,Gronk,Hernandez,Stallworth,Watson,Dillon,defense,cheating ass coaches

Rodgers:Jennings,Nelson, Finley,Cobb at the same damn time+defense

Brees-Graham, Colston,Sproles,Henderson,Moore,Bush,defense

 

Everyone of those Wr's could take over our#2 receiver spot.  Add the fact that they also had great defense each time they won the superbowl, and you see they don't do it alone.

 

None of that is why I don't put Cam on their level.  Cam does elevate the play of players around him, no fuging doubt about that.

I just don't put him there yet because I don't think any player really can be elite after such a short time, I don't think Cam is as good as those players overall YET (this is not to say he never will be at all, I think he can be better than all of them, or at least more dynamic), though a superbowl this year may just change my mind. ;)

[ncmonzta]

None of that is why I don't put Cam on their level.  Cam does elevate the play of players around him, no fuging doubt about that.

I just don't put him there yet because I don't think any player really can be elite after such a short time, I don't think Cam is as good as those players overall YET (this is not to say he never will be at all, I think he can be better than all of them, or at least more dynamic), though a superbowl this year may just change my mind. ;)

Wasn't calling you out.  It was meant for all the people that act like those guys are gods and they take over the game by themselves.  The closest one that comes to that level is Manning when he changes the offense and that's about it. Put Brady, Rodgers, or Brees on a team like the Jags and lets see what happens.