Dorsey's dropping the ball as QB Coach.

[mav1234]

I didn't say lack of throws. I said his accuracy has decreased and it has.

 

He has the worst completion % on passes over 20 yards this year I believe. It was significantly better his first two seasons.

 

I don't really care since we're winning and I'm not saying he sucks because of it, I was just pointing it out. His passes on long routes have consistently been off target, many so bad that I'm not even sure someone like Megatron could have caught them.

 

I'll take a higher completion % on short and intermediate throws all day though because that is where the majority of the throws are made.

 

accuracy really isn't completion percentage - esp. on deep throws, a lot more goes into it.  it is probably the only way to compare between players, but when you're trying to look at how a player changes from season to season, keep in mind his accuracy may not have decreased, it may be a variety of things, ranging from the targets to the play calls

[Big Mel]

Look, you're not going to turn Newton into a Brady / Brees / Manning type passer. That's just not who he is.

Your best prototype here is Brett Favre, and from what I've seen, that's the model they're following.

Favre has a ring, and so do others like him. Newton could get there too.

 

Why not? Why can't Cam be as good as Brady/Brees/Manning as a passer? Just because he can run, does that limit his passing ability? Is he slow in the head? He can do everything all those guys do and more. Why do we have to pidgeon-hole him into a corner? I think we all need to take a step back and look at his overall potential, Dorsey included. Don't chain him down to the level of Brees, Manning, or Brady, or anybody else for that matter. Farve is great, but Cam brings a lot more to the table than Farve ever did. Cam is not the next Farve, Vick, Manning, Brees, Young, McNabb, Brady, or anything. Cam is the next Cam!! Let him be who he is, and see where that goes!!

[WOW!!]

Granted some of us don't pack the substance you have in your 83 posts but we have to talk about something. What would you have us talk about on a Panthers message board if not the Panthers best player?

I've been here longer then 83 post check the sig. Clue KKL.

Besides that my point is I've never seen so much talk about QB mechanics on this site before.

We never discuss this with Jake or any other Panther QB. But we will sit here and nit pick Cam's footwork?? Like some of you are George Whitfield or Chris Wenkie.

I'm just saying there wasn't this much diagnosis of QBing when Jimmy was sucking it up.

[thunderraiden]

I didn't say lack of throws. I said his accuracy has decreased and it has.

 

He has the worst completion % on passes over 20 yards this year I believe. It was significantly better his first two seasons.

 

I don't really care since we're winning and I'm not saying he sucks because of it, I was just pointing it out. His passes on long routes have consistently been off target, many so bad that I'm not even sure someone like Megatron could have caught them.

 

I'll take a higher completion % on short and intermediate throws all day though because that is where the majority of the throws are made.

 

What if I told you Newton was perfect vs the Saints on down the field throws and it was the receivers fault?

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/12/23/refo-saints-panthers-week-16/

 

 

Cam Comes Through

Probably the craziest stat to come out of this game came courtesy of Cam Newton(+4.0), who on passes targeted over 10 yards down the field, was a perfect eight for eight in terms of accuracy. That type of downfield accuracy is extremely rare, and the throws he was making weren’t of the ‘wide open’ variety.

Even with his superb downfield accuracy, the Panthers were really only able to move the ball well on their final drive of the game. The reason why the Panthers struggled moving the ball was because of the four sacks and three drops, but also because Newton missed on four of 12 passes within 10 yards. His touch on short passes Sunday was obviously lacking. The interception wasn’t thrown in a horrible location, it was just unnecessarily rifled high and hard to Ted Ginn two yards past the line of scrimmage. The third year quarterback still hasn’t had a complete game yet this season where he puts it all together through the air, but he’s done just enough to win and that’s what he did again Sunday.

 

[QueensKing]

I would bet that the majority of the people who use the terms throwing mechanics haven't the slightest idea of the definition of what it means, nor could they dissect any given play on the mechanics of the QB... it's silly. 

 

I do know this, receivers have a lot to do with completions, and last time I checked, the Panthers have no receiver in the top 40!! in either yards, or yards after catch.  I noticed yesterday that Boldin has 1000 yards on the season, yet Kaep has much less yards than Cam.  Brees stares down Graham/throws to Graham to let him make a play whenever he's in trouble, and it usually works. 

 

Our receivers give our QB the smallest margin of error of any QB in the league, and yet Cam is right in the middle of the pack completion percentage wise, and only a small percentage away from the top ten.  It's rather impressive since there haven't been many throws that were off target yet our receivers made a great play on the ball like the luxuries that so many other QBs have.  Yes, improvement can always be made, but your criticism is ill timed and off based given the circumstances. 

 

Before you start making assumptions about bad QB mechanics, it would be useful to watch all of the QBs in the league a couple times to have a standard in which to base your analysis, look at a few statistics, or even learn what "mechanics" mean especially when applying the term to real time game play where the perfect throw isn't possible in every situation.

 

Did you happen to see Cam's mechanics on the last drive?  On the throw to Ginn he couldn't step into the throw, and he was also hit in the face and had his eyes closed.  I'm sure Dorsey taught him that you're supposed to keep your eyes open when throwing the ball, Cam just doesn't listen and Dorsey didn't teach him well...  This is Cam's best year in my opinion but yet his QB coach isn't doing his job?

[FootballMaestro]

Haven't seen this posted.  Here's another take on Cam's progress:

 

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2013-12-22/panthers-saints-score-cam-newton-game-winning-drives-nfc-south-playoffs-career-moments

This is certainly not an article on Cam's progress, and just media rehashed BS ("Sophmore Slump", "regression", etc.; real indepth analysis, would shed more light on those fake monikers), though he tried harder than some others. 

[SCMunnerlyn1]

His short passes are what piss me off. While he makes great throws down the field, he misses slants and screens all the time by over throwing them. If he gets that worked out the offense should be much better.

[Udogg]

Cam's improved but this is by far the best the WR core has been in his career.

 

And the worst offensive line.

[Evengelion]

what the hell's that about, dude?

 

keep it to his posts.  I think he's wrong too but wtf

You can always ignore the posts that's not directed at you. Just ignore my post from now. I don't really wanna read what you have to say because apparently you're that type.

[mav1234]

You can always ignore the posts that's not directed at you. Just ignore my post from now. I don't really wanna read what you have to say because apparently you're that type.

 

Haha, what?  I was honestly confused since it didn't seem like he did anything to you in this post and you kinda went off on him.

[csx]

You can always ignore the posts that's not directed at you. Just ignore my post from now. I don't really wanna read what you have to say because apparently you're that type.

 

Your girl not wanna get in bed with you today? LOL

[Evengelion]

I've been here longer then 83 post check the sig. Clue KKL.

Besides that my point is I've never seen so much talk about QB mechanics on this site before.

We never discuss this with Jake or any other Panther QB. But we will sit here and nit pick Cam's footwork?? Like some of you are George Whitfield or Chris Wenkie.

I'm just saying there wasn't this much diagnosis of QBing when Jimmy was sucking it up.

It's just the region of the country a QB like Cam is playing in. Bring him to a more affluent and bigger market like Washington, per se, every crappy thread about him wouldn't make half a page before it's locked. Especially as an 11-4 team. The panthers fanbase is divided in two groups, panther fans and player fans. Some of those player fans couldn't care less how the team is doing as long as Keuchly, per se, have a lot of tackles and INTs. Because those player fans don't care about the team, well, they get to pick specific players as their target to troll on every chance they get. And that target for this fanbase is Cam. Things like that aren't monitored in this forum.

 

You hear many huddlers complaining about Cam not being given any attention compared to those other QBs but doesn't understand that the media only react to what the fans want. So, when a sports writer lurks on this forum to find things to write about and see crap like this thread, what do you think the tone of their report is gonna be? Exactly.

 

Here's a little experiment for you to test what I mentioned. Try creating a Luck thread and watch them chastise you about how it doesn't belong in this forum. Then create a RG3 thread and you wouldn't believe the many QB experts you had in this forum.

 

To understand what I'm talking about, there is a thread about Luck and a thread about Cam in the Redskins forum(NFL section). The Luck thread only had about 4 pages with just 3000 views and the Cam thread is ballooned to 21 pages and 14000 views. In conclusion, there are a lot of envious people out there about Cam's and RG3's god given ability. And the only way they can express it is through trolling. But they can keep hating because those two won't be the last.

 

You'd think seeing what Basketball have become they'd get used to seeing people with Cam's and RG3's ability by now. And, they never learn!

 

Footwork? Don't make me laugh!

[Evengelion]

You can always ignore the posts that's not directed at you. Just ignore my post from now. I don't really wanna read what you have to say because apparently you're that type.

He's trolling an 11-4 team. Cam only attempted 22 passes and completed 13 of them. That's just 9 in-completions. How was he able to see all that in 9 in-completions(rhetorical)?

[Evengelion]

Your girl not wanna get in bed with you today? LOL

You're not too good with this come back thing, are you? Rule #1 in come backs, don't repeat the original statement. How about this one: "Someone didn't get laid today". You see what I did there.