Dorsey's dropping the ball as QB Coach.

[footballisasport]

Cam's improved but this is by far the best the WR core has been in his career.

 

That's not saying much.

 

This is how one can honestly judge whether many of you are simply in denial.. Do you seriously believe that Andrew Luck would be playing better than Cam with the group of guys Cam has around him now?

 

This team is spending money on a talented QB and you want to believe that inconsistant WRs and RDs who can't get more than 40 yards a game is all he needs and he just needs to be more perfect to compensate.  GTFO 

[Mistuh Jones]

I wouldn't say he's dropping the ball. The weird thing I've noticed this year is that cam NEVER follows thru on his front foot. It's like he throws fade-away passes. But maybe that's designed for absorbing contact? 

[beastson]

Our offense has changed since Cam/2011. We don't have the aerial attack as we once did. We're not throwing deep down the field like that year, maybe that's why he's been off on deep passes. I watch Tom Brady try throwing deep too and it comes up incomplete as well, of course unless its to Gronk or some poo. Thats not what he do, not their offense opposed to Manning constantly airing it out down the field

 

Far as Dorsey/Shula I think Cam has taken his biggest strides this year

[pantherclaw]

Ya do know it was raining yesterday? Right?

Ever tried throwing a wet football?

If ya get anything on it at all, it'll go high.

Cam only throws high when he doesn't get his footwork right.

Give him a clean pocket to step into, and this whole conversation is a moot point.

[iamhubby1]

IMO, Dorsey has done a great job with Cam as it concerns his touch. That throw to Smitty to open the game was a thing of beauty. That pass to Olsen down the seam was a rocket and Olsen could not adjust. To me, Cam is getting better, but he is still learning.

Cam came into the league with only 1 year of college experience. He trusts his arm, which I cannot blame him for. But he has to learn to put some touch on some of his passes. That pass that Ginn knocked up in the air may have been completed if it were not a fastball. Ginn just may have been able to adjust if there were a little less heat on the pass.

Fastballs tend to sail. If Dorsey can get Cam to take some heat off some of those passes, then Cam will complete more passes. I just happen to believe it is more inexperience than anything else.

[iamhubby1]

I think with the right coaching and 1000s of off season reps especially with footwork

 

Cam will be better than all of them at the end of the day

I agree with this. Cam is still learning. He really has only had 3 years to learn how to be an NFL QB. Up until then, he had gotten by on talent alone.

Coaching and repetition will make Cam into the QB that people fear he will become.

[megatroll]

Not to wash Cam's hands completely clean, and maybe I'm ignorant on the job description, but isn't throwing mechanics training basic QB coaching? 

 

I know Dorsey's new to the gig, but imagine you're him. You have a talented quarterback and the one major flaw in his game is he overthrows receivers or keeps the ball too high often. He actually play his best when he's forced to call plays himself at the end of the game and is short on time. What exactly are you doing as QB coach if Throwing Motion 101 stuff continues to be a chronic issue for your quarterback?

 he throws the ball so hard its a little harder to control. old habits are hard to break but it will come

[top dawg]

I am sure that Dorsey is doing his job because Cam does get his mechanics right in spurts. Cam needs to be more consistent is all. Of course Cam needs better protection and a more consistent receiving corps to strengthen his consistency. Like I said in the other thread, Shula (and by extension, Dorsey) have been excellent options to help Cam learn how to settle down, make his reads, and take what opposing defenses give him. But looking at how the offense has gone from the number one big-play offense last year to  dead last in big plays this year just bespeaks a lack of faith and/or understanding of Cam's true potential. The main question is whether they can help him to put it all together without skewing his long ball; thus, our entire offense's potential to pressure even the greatest of opponents into submission without a game being unduly close.

[Mr. Scot]

I don't agree with the Favre comparison. Cam can be as accurate as the best of them, his problem has been consistency.

You just described Brett Favre.

Favre was thoroughly capable of throwing hyperaccurate passes that made everyone go 'holy cow'. He was also known for having at least two or three passes a game that made everyone go 'holy s--t'. And it stayed that way right up till the end of his career.

And yeah, that's Newton too.

That's just what a gunslinger QB does, and to be honest, I don't really see a problem with it.

You can win championships with that sort of QB, but the secret is to coach him based on what he is, not try to make him into something else.

[mav1234]

I honestly don't think there is any point in drawing a line in the sand and going "These guys are gunslingers!" "These guys are not!"

 

People say the exact same thing about Brees RE: two to three passes a game that make people wonder.  Most games with Peyton he does the same thing.  Eli throws a half dozen of them a game.

 

Each of the elite QBs is very different and saying Cam can't be put in a category with them is an artificial creation.  Nobody has perfect throws every game.

[Donald LaFell]

His lower body mechanics are somewhat better but not where they need to be

[Mr. Scot]

I honestly don't think there is any point in drawing a line in the sand and going "These guys are gunslingers!" "These guys are not!"

People say the exact same thing about Brees RE: two to three passes a game that make people wonder. Most games with Peyton he does the same thing. Eli throws a half dozen of them a game.

Each of the elite QBs is very different and saying Cam can't be put in a category with them is an artificial creation. Nobody has perfect throws every game.

It's not a knock on how good he is.

John Elway was a gunslinger too. He was never as pinpoint accurate as, say, Dan Marino. But if I had to pick one to be my Super Bowl starter, I'd take Always.

Likewise, in the 70s you had Terry Bradshaw the gunslinger vs a better passer in Roger Staubach, but it was Bradshaw who walked away with more rings.

I've got no issue with that style of play, and it doesn't mean he can't improve (Lord knows Favre did). All it means is you coach him appropriately, same as you would any other QB.

[sml1950]

Cam's biggest improvement , by far, has been on the mental side. Dorsey, Shula and especially D Anderson sheparded Cam ( with a ton on hard work) fron an athelete playing QB to a QB who is highly atheltic. Last year he was lucky to get to his second read before getting antsy in the pocket. Yesterday, he stood tall, recognized what defense he was seeing and made the right throws. You could have been looking at Brady/Manning on the final TD drive. On the TD itself, his on field comments after the game was amazing. "I saw the blitz coming, recognized it was cover zero and went to my hot read." That would have NEVER been his response last year even if he made the same throw.

[iamhubby1]

Lost in all this is the fact that Cam is also getting much much better at reading Defenses. On that TD play he saw it coming. Knew where he wanted to go. And executed it perfectly. Well...he could have elevated the pass a bit, but that is beside the point.

It is getting harder and harder to fool him. He is getting better and better at delivering the ball. To me. The only thing he needs to really work at...anticipation. He still waits until the guy makes his cuts before he releases the ball. I really think that this off-season that will be something he will work on. Getting the ball to the right guy at the right time.

To be honest. I don't care what happens from here on out. Cam has gotten better every year. Something is tweaked and improved upon. As long as this continues...Cam can Cam all he wants.