Dorsey's dropping the ball as QB Coach.

[PhillyB]

i haven't read past the first page of this thread, but i'm guessing the next fourteen are filled with stupid fucking posters making stupid fucking arguments

[Shepard Fairey]

15 pages?

[FootballMaestro]

I understand your position. Just know there is a complimentary footballmaestero on the Redskins, Seahawks, and 49ers board (I know, I have corresponded with them--at least on the Redskins and 49ers board--not on the Seahawks, but I am positive there is one on their forum as well) who believes EXACTLY and as PASSIONATELY as you do with regards to Newton vs their QB.

 

But, I simply refuse to share either fan bases sentiments regarding the other. Newton has the ability to read defenses--always had-- just like RGIII did last year. Redskins fans claimed Newton's character flaws and intelligence prevented him from having a winning record or having a QB rating in the 100s like Griffin was at last year. RGIII was EVERYTHING Newton was SUPPOSED to be--high character, intelligent, a leader, a winner, the next NFL superstar!

 

And of course Kaepernick was the next evolution of both Newton and RGIII---a superhuman of Newton, RGIII, and Peyton Manning abilities all rolled into one! Hence the Superbowl appearance, this of course per: 49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/

RGIII and Newton are mere mortals compared to Kaepernick-- you just wait and see mcdogual. Newton/RGIII would NEVER be able to handle all the stuff Greg Roman throws at our QB: the multi-formations, the audibles, the down the field passing game. RGIII and Newton are the poor man's Kaepernick! You just wait and see mcdougal...

 

Now this year I am supposed to suddenly believe RGIII and Kaepernick could not hold Newton's jock strap when it comes to reading defenses (I know you have always felt Newton could read defenses better than RGIII or Kaepernick) from Panthers fans. RGIII and Kaepernick are the REAL non-NFL type QBs. It is they who cannot read defenses.

 

OR maybe RGIII's "lack of ability to read coverage" is tied to having one of the worst defenses or Kaepernicks "lack of pocket awareness" is more to do with the fact that for MUCH of the year, 5 of his top targets are different than last year including Kyle Williams, the worst second option at WR in the NFL.

 

 

 

But anyways I digress, like I previously said, all of this could be explained by: "My QB has a prettier girlfriend than your QB" mentality. And I see ZERO problem with this. Your a Redskins fan, of course you feel Newton is inadequate as compared to Bob/Kapernick. Or in our case, we are Panthers fan...Cam Newton's abilities runs blocks around your QB, RGIII/Kapernick.

 

But it doesn't end there. There is something MORE going on. In each fan base, EACH base GENERALLY thinks that Tannehill is a better QB than all those QBs sans their own QB. Or Stafford, or Bradford, or Luck. Each fan base is HIGHLY appreciative of the talents and intellectual abilities of Tannehill or Stafford or Bradford or Luck. Believes that Tannehill or Stafford or Bradford or Luck are great/ "workable" long term solutions for their team's QB problem.

 

YET, for the most part the numbers--win percentage--circumstances-- actually point to Newton, RGIII, or Kaepernick or Wilson being BETTER at reading coverage and being productive members of their offensives than Tannehill or Stafford or Bradford or Luck.

 

 

Didn't mean to be so long, but this ^ is my contention really. I disagree with your assertions about RGIII and Kaepernick but so what. You could very well be right. And your a Panthers fan, it is a given RGIII and Kapernick is a loser compared to Newton. Same with Redskins and 49ers and Seattle footballmaestero versions.

 

The question I have is why isn't Tannehill or Stafford or Bradford or Luck a loser?

 

 

 

You don't get it, it appears.

 

As I've said many times already: I stated last year, that RG3 and Kaepernick couldn't read defenses, and relied on fakes, trickery, and their run games for success. Even their respective coaches are publicly acknowledging this now (Shanahan commented that both RG3 and Kaepernick have to learn to read defenses and play from the pocket a few weeks ago, and Kyle Shanahan said something similar about RG3). So you're saying this isn't true?

 

FYI: There were many Redskins fans, that complained early in the season, that RG3 was running a high school offense, but they shut up once the skins started winning, after their poor start. So, why didn't you quote those Redskins fans?

 

This is not opinion. Who cares what I and other fans say. Just look at the tape!

 

RG3, and Kaep were not reading defenses, and going through their progressions last year, as Cam did from his first season. Those guys, relied much more heavily on the pistol, trickery, and their run games, than Cam every did. "Dem Is Just Da Facts!!!"

 

PS: There are Redskin fans right now, on the Cam/RG3 2nd year comparison--Washington Post article, who state that 'Cam is bigger, has better pocket presence//reads, and gets hurt less than RG3'. They say, you can't compare the two or their seasons. But I see you're not quoting them? Lol Yes, everyone has an opinion. But if there no accepted standards, then there's no point arguing, cause those people will never agree. 

 

I'm not trying to pick on those guys. Black or not; they relied on their systems and run game, much more than Cam did.   That's no different, than saying Blaine Gabbert [just] plain sucked, relying on a conventional system in his abject suck-i-tude. Come on now! I'm not saying this, cause I'm a Cam or Panthers fan. No Sir-ee! Cam is not perfect, there are things he can improve on as well. 

[MechaZain]

If you are, you're probably a confused one at best. I never accuse people of racism, but I do accept that people have their own preference.

I never thought criticizing a white football coach would make me less of black man thanks Dr. Phil.

Please lock this mess. I didn't want this.

[rayzor]

i haven't read past the first page of this thread, but i'm guessing the next fourteen are filled with stupid fucking posters making stupid fucking arguments

i kind of get the idea that if i read it there would be a few people banned beyond the one yesterday. i just don't want to bother with it, but i'll probably be kind of watching it just to see how dumb it really is.

[Mr. Scot]

i kind of get the idea that if i read it there would be a few people banned beyond the one yesterday. i just don't want to bother with it, but i'll probably be kind of watching it just to see how dumb it really is.

Someone got banned?

I'd agree this thread is quite lockable.

[Jangler]

thanks for proving that all people up north are assholes (see, us uneducated hicks can make sweeping moronic generalizations about entire groups of people based on the demographics as well).

 

take a break while you let that sink into your skull.

 

 

btw, unlike you i don't actually believe that statement about notherners to be true.

 

I have lived in the North and South...there are dumb racist assholes everywhere.

 

 

What's this thread about?

[Jangler]

i haven't read past the first page of this thread, but i'm guessing the next fourteen are filled with stupid fucking posters making stupid fucking arguments

 

and walls of text...so many walls.

[rayzor]

yeah, im just going to go ahead and lock it. i went back and read a bit. it's going nowhere good.