Dorsey's dropping the ball as QB Coach.

[mcdougal]

I'm not understanding this fully. 

 

I already stated, that many here are not convinced with Stafford. Calling him "workable", is not a slight against the other QB's you mentioned (if anything, it's a slight against Stafford, who many hold in higher regard than  just "workable"). So it may appear, you're looking for an argument I'm not giving you. 

 

There's also many here that don't like Luck (and who don't care about Tannehill--especially last year-- or Dalton), as well. 

 

I know many fans and analyst (of various backgrounds), that would rather have Cam than Stafford as far as I can see. Just because Peter King (or the dude from ESPN's name that escapes me), prefers Stafford over Newton, doesn't change that existence.

 

Everyone has [and is entitled to] an opinion. To each his own. If they like Stafford; good for them. Are you trying to say Stafford possesses no talent? That's not fair. Stafford is "workable" as RG3 (maybe even more so), and the others you mentioned. They all have their attributes. As we've been stating through the thread; "no QB's perfect". 

 

Lastly (and I've been very consistent with this); I'm not highly impressed with RG3 and Kaepernick, despite their one season stats, and team success. Yes, RG3 has nice accuracy and sprinting speed. Kaepernick has a very good arm, height and speed as well. However, neither one of them can read an NFL defense and show patience in the pocket long enough, to show off those attributes on a regular basis (or at least in comparison to Cam, who the media seemingly forgot about at times, discussing these handicapped young signal callers).

 

Andrew Luck, is overrated as well. However, at least he's attempting to read defenses at a higher clip/better level than the other two guys, who rely heavily on their run games, timing, and trickery, for their offensive execution. 

 

Neither RG3 or Kaepernick, would have done what Cam did at the end of the Saints game, unless it was just pure dumb luck! And the other Luck (Andrew); may have thrown an interception. Wilson, would have been scrambling around of course, tossing the ball up for grabs to Golden Tate (if he wasn't smashed first by the pass rush). Luck and Wilson, would have had a chance at least. Not sure if Kaepernick or RG3, would have had any chance, considering the pass rush, contact, responsibility/no running due to time, and how Newton had to go through his progressions, mind you make those type of passes in succession, after. 

 

But I am not arguing with you. I agree with much of what you have stated. However, I believe a great deal of NFL fans would view Stafford as a long term solution to a team's QB problem than would ever view Newton as such--even at this moment. I read an article on NBC about Stafford and the Lions and MOST comments on the article stated exactly what you suggested: "Stafford may need better coaching." I am not sure if that is the case, could be, could not be. Maybe it is coaching, maybe it is Stafford. I do not know.

 

But the one thing I think we would agree with is that if this were Newton people would not react that way. MOST of the comments would place the blame specifically with Newton. (See similar articles about RGIII, Kaepernick, Freeman, and Vick featured on NBC this year as well). I am not talking about members of the media, I am talking about the fans--commentators of the article. 

 

So the key word you used was not "workable," it was "certainly." Just like people believe that Kirk Cousins is "certainly" proven to be a NFL starter, but RGIII has not. My contention is that Lions fans would not think of Cam Newton as even "certainly" a workable long term answer to the Panthers QB position. I am not sure I have really ever come across any Black QB that was described as "certainly a workable" solution to any QB situation, except maybe Russell Wilson.  

 

 

And lastly, head over to the 49ers board. I think there is a way to back track to the week they played us. The exact same comments you have stated about Kaepernick is the exact same comments about Newton. Newton cannot read defenses, has major accuracy issues, and pocket presence is non-existent. Newton is overrated being carried by a defense and his offense. I am not kidding...these were the comments regarding Newton during the week leading up to the Panthers.

 

But once again, when a QB like Stafford, Luck, or Tannehill--QBs that have generally have lower QB ratings than either Newton or Kaepernick---is discussed here or anywhere, these terms are not associated with them.This goes back to the point I made earlier about how fans of there teams react an opposing teams black qb vs a white qb despite the fact that numbers bear out that Newton and Kaepernick are better at these things than Luck or Tannehill or Stafford.

[rayzor]

BAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHHAH im a cam hater cuz i said "love cam. glad hes our QB. needs to work on mechanics" All of you are right. He is absolutely perfect with nothing to work on (even tho in a thread 2 weeks ago i called him the 4th best QB in the league).

 

lmao this is too funny. I knew people from the south are dumb as poo but this is beyond funny at this point. So glad I now have a part time job educating incestual hicks on this message board. This is too much. I love each and every one of you. Thank you for making this fun for me as well :) I will now thank christ everyday Im from the north and don't have to have any affiliation with the semi-retarded/religious/home-schooled education system that failed you all.   :)

 

 

 

how all our arguments have gone:

 

OP: Hope Cam works on his footwork and mechanics

Me: I agree

All of you: EVERY QB HAS ISSUES!! NO ONES PERFECT!!!!

Me: Yeah I know.... never said they were....

All of you: THEN WHY DOES CAM GET MORE HEAT THEN ANYONE ELSE??!?!

Me: How the fug should I know? Im not on the Falcons, Dolphins, Eagles, Etc... forums

All of you: YEAH SO CAM SUCKS HUH??!?!?? 

Me: ummmmm nope. never ever said that

All of you: YEAH WAY TO CONTRADICT YOURSELF!!!

 

hahahhahah. Too much fun. see u all on sunday

thanks for proving that all people up north are assholes (see, us uneducated hicks can make sweeping moronic generalizations about entire groups of people based on the demographics as well).

 

take a break while you let that sink into your skull.

 

 

btw, unlike you i don't actually believe that statement about notherners to be true.

[footballisasport]

There are four young African-American starting QBs, Colin, RG III, Russel, and Cam, in the league today. I didn't include the one in Buffalo nor Geno Smith for a reason. They are not real Starting QBs. Out of those 4 young QBs, those in the media only choose to single out Cam as the QB they wanted to use to prove  "mobile" QB will never be a real Pocket-Passing QBs. Cam in turn proved them wrong. That is one of the reason why he is always pick apart and I mean with the magnifying glass. RG, Colin and Russel are the benefactors of how Cam is being treated by the media. They are allowed to make running their first option if they want to.

 

I find it funny now that those same folks who demanded that Cam learn to sit in the pocket and prove that he can throw a ball before taking off, is now demanding that he uses his legs more. Pure Tomfoolery.

[mcdougal]

I definitely don't believe Kaep and Rg3 could make those reads 

 

 

And 49ers fans don't believe Cam Newton or RGII could make/reads required for the 49ers offense. The formations, audibles, and shifts Roman/Harbaugh require of Kaepernick.

 

And go to the 1:24 second mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrK-3_YW-yE

 

I was arguing last year with Redskins fans that believed that Newton could never make such a throw or read.

 

 

And I would leave at this--- just fans drinking the kool aid because said player plays for their team (my qb can piss further and longer than your qb), but if you read the comments of Panthers fans with regards to Tannehill or the 49ers fans comments with regards to Sam Bradford, you come to the realization Panthers and 49ers fans respect the talents, abilities, intelligence of Tannehill or Bradford FAR more than they do Newton or Kaepernick.

 

Yet both QBs (Newton and Kaepernick) have better numbers than either Tannehill or Bradford.

 

The question is why.

[ajax4132]

And 49ers fans don't believe Cam Newton or RGII could make/reads required for the 49ers offense. The formations, audibles, and shifts Roman/Harbaugh require of Kaepernick.

 

And go to the 1:24 second mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrK-3_YW-yE

 

I was arguing last year with Redskins fans that believed that Newton could never make such a throw or read.

 

 

And I would leave this as just fans drinking the kool aid because said player plays for their team, but if you read the comments of Panthers fans with regards to Tannehill or the 49ers fans comments with regards to Sam Bradford, you come to the realization those that respect the talents, abilities, intelligence of Tannehill or Bradford FAR more than they do Newton or Kaepernick.

 

Yet both QBs (Newton and Kaepernick) have better numbers than either Tannehill or Bradford.

 

The question is why.

 

Knowing how a lot of people think you can already surmise why.

 

That is why the greatest thing a panthers fan can wish for is Cam to be holding up a Lombardi trophy 

 

I don't fug about what some dumbass fans believe as long as we smash in the fuging face come Sunday

 

Cam would be 15-0 on that 9ners team

[FootballMaestro]

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And 49ers fans don't believe Cam Newton or RGII could make/reads required for the 49ers offense. The formations, audibles, and shifts Roman/Harbaugh require of Kaepernick.

 

And go to ethe 1:24 second mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrK-3_YW-yE

 

I was arguing last year with Redskins fans that believed that Newton could never make such a throw or read.

 

 

And I would leave at this--- just fans drinking the kool aid because said player plays for their team (my qb can piss further and longer than your qb), but if you read the comments of Panthers fans with regards to Tannehill or the 49ers fans comments with regards to Sam Bradford, you come to the realization Panthers and 49ers fans respect the talents, abilities, intelligence of Tannehill or Bradford FAR more than they do Newton or Kaepernick.

 

Yet both QBs (Newton and Kaepernick) have better numbers than either Tannehill or Bradford.

 

The question is why.

 

Unfortunately for both Kaepernick (even after Sunday's win) and RG3, every one now knows that neither one of them can read defenses, and it's been stated over and over again (about both of them) the past few months by the same analyst that were praising them last year. 

 

I'm not too concerned with what stupid fans on another fan site says. They have dumb fans, just like this one. Secondly; if the QB was white; they may not say "he couldn't read a defense" such as they would about Cam (or as you're saying). I'll give you that. on the other hand: They would just say he flat out "sucks" or "blows",  with out saying why. So in away, it's all good. 

 

RG3 doesn't make multiple reads usually. So I'm not impressed with what you're stating about his fans, in regards to what Cam supposedly can and can't do in comparison, in their eyes?

 

I and many other fans, who followed all the young QB's last year, knew/know that RG3 and Kaep couldn't read defenses, and were greatly supported by their offenses. Even Wilson was as well; particularity early in his rookie career. I've always stated (going back to last year), that Cam, Tannehill, Luck, and Wilson, were better pocket passers than RG3 and Kaepernick, and now almost everyone knows it, even now in victory (as Gruden and others were picking Kaep apart after Mondays win; which I know you don't like). So don't pay too much attention to what too many fans say, especially if it's easily proven they're clueless. Everyone has an opinion. It doesn't mean it's factual or based in reality. 

 

And I disagree with you're Cam and Stafford statement with Detroit fans. I think if Cam was with Detroit (especially after having Barry Sanders), Lions fans would embrace Cam and support him; cause they would have seen him play, just like us. They should know a True Baller, if any one does, having watched Barry Sanders. 

 

Most other fans (just like many of ours), have no idea what other team or players actually accomplish on and off the field. You can say the same about many so called "analyst and reporters" as well. I actually watched all those young QB's (and unbiased when i do/did), which is the reason why I could make those statements, going back to early last year. 

 

Neither Kaepernick or RG3 are even close to Cam (at the moment) as an NFL QB, in my opinion. A better argument would be Luck, Wilson or (GASP) Dalton. Maybe Stafford, especially if he toned things down a bit.

 

I'm not saying they can't improve. But right now, neither one of those guys are there. I would also like to add (since you like pointing out selective website comments), there were many Redskins fans who felt Cousins beat RG3 out of a starting job last year, but the Redskins played him cause of all the picks they spent to acquire Griffin; leaving those fans believing Cousins was the better QB for the team from the start. 

[mav1234]

edit: meh nevermind 

 

[Keep Steve]

Not to wash Cam's hands completely clean, and maybe I'm ignorant on the job description, but isn't throwing mechanics training basic QB coaching? 

 

I know Dorsey's new to the gig, but imagine you're him. You have a talented quarterback and the one major flaw in his game is he overthrows receivers or keeps the ball too high often. He actually play his best when he's forced to call plays himself at the end of the game and is short on time. What exactly are you doing as QB coach if Throwing Motion 101 stuff continues to be a chronic issue for your quarterback?

Stop trying to stir the pot with something you came up with while taking a dump.  You have no frame of reference and have no idea what Ken Dorsey does or does not do with Cam.  Have you ever heard of Chuck Knoblauch?

[WOW!!]

Let me say this I didn't question this thread for the racial undertones that exists in this society when it comes to black QB's. Even thoe we all know it's clear that it's at work when talking about Cam. Example Jay Cutler, Matthew Stafford, Andrew Luck and others never get as much criticism about their "football intelligence" (reading defenses, running complex offenses, and on and on) but have way more TO and bone head throws then Cam. Or you never talk about David Carr or Joey Harrington being bust because they weren't smart enough but it's the first thing that comes up about Jamarcus Russell and Vince Young. Even The Golden Calf of Bristol intelligence was never question and he never made the right read or saw the field on time.

But again that's another topic.

My problem is Jack the plumber playing QB guru questioning Cam for mistakes or issues all QB's have.

1. Have you notice that Cam's inaccurate games or periods come when he's been sacked or hit more then 4 times a game? If you look at the stats of his worst comp% games this year. You would notice the common theme that he was sacked 4 or more times in those games. And if you ftwatched other QB's and look up their stats during a bad game you will see they suffer from the same issue when being hit a lot. Plain and Simple this won't change no matter how much Cam practices is on his foot work.

2. Serious question. How many highlight catches have you seen from Panthers WR this year? How many jump balls or 1 hand grabs. Have you seen this year???,

[FootballMaestro]

Let me say this I didn't question this thread for the racial undertones that exists in this society when it comes to black QB's. Even thoe we all know it's clear that it's at work when talking about Cam. Example Jay Cutler, Matthew Stafford, Andrew Luck and others never get as much criticism about their "football intelligence" (reading defenses, running complex offenses, and on and on) but have way more TO and bone head throws then Cam. Or you never talk about David Carr or Joey Harrington being bust because they weren't smart enough but it's the first thing that comes up about Jamarcus Russell and Vince Young. Even The Golden Calf of Bristol intelligence was never question and he never made the right read or saw the field on time.

But again that's another topic.

My problem is Jack the plumber playing QB guru questioning Cam for mistakes or issues all QB's have.

1. Have you notice thButat Cam's inaccurate games or periods come when he's been sacked or hit more then 4 times a game? If you look at the stats of his worst comp% games this year. You would notice the common theme that he was sacked 4 or more times in those games. And if you ftwatched other QB's and look up their stats during a bad game you will see they suffer from the same issue when being hit a lot. Plain and Simple this won't change no matter how much Cam practices is on his foot work.

2. Serious question. How many highlight catches have you seen from Panthers WR this year? How many jump balls or 1 hand grabs. Have you seen this year???,

Agree 100%

 

I stated this earlier in the thread. 

 

"If you give Cam a clean pocket, both his footwork and accuracy, would improve to an astounding level. Cam is just making due with a terrible offensive line, and short-ish, non play maker/"Dog (meaning; they don't have the dog in them)" receivers

 

Yes, his receivers, have to have pinpoint passes in order for them to catch. How often do you see them, come back for receptions, fight for jump balls, or catch passes on the extremes of their window, as we see other average, good, and great receivers do every week for other teams and QB's?

 

Can you imagine if Cam had a consistent line and/or a tall, strong receiver or tight end, who can go get the ball high, as so many other QB's seem to have (especially when they make bad passes, or just throw the ball up). As an example: When is the last time, you've seen a Panther receiver make an Antoine Bolden or Michael Crabtree acrobatic type catch, just once in  a game, mind you through out the season, or higher level receivers?

 

How come so many fans can't see/notice this?

[ajax4132]

Agree 100%

 

I stated this earlier in the thread. 

 

"If you give Cam a clean pocket, both his footwork and accuracy, would improve to an astounding level. Cam is just making due with a terrible offensive line, and short-ish, non play maker/"Dog (meaning; they don't have the dog in them)" receivers

 

Yes, his receivers, have to have pinpoint passes in order for them to catch. How often do you see them, come back for receptions, fight for jump balls, or catch passes on the extremes of their window, as we see other average, good, and great receivers do every week for other teams and QB's?

 

Can you imagine if Cam had a consistent line and/or a tall, strong receiver or tight end, who can go get the ball high, as so many other QB's seem to have (especially when they make bad passes, or just throw the ball up). As an example: When is the last time, you've seen a Panther receiver make an Antoine Bolden or Michael Crabtree acrobatic type catch, just once in  a game, mind you through out the season, or higher level receivers?

 

How come so many fans can't see/notice this?

That is why Benjamin/Moncrief would help solve the problems.

 

Question is can we find a RT and RG in FA though?

 

If not, I would take Lewan in the first as a RT and have Gross mentor him into the LT for when Gross retires

[mcdougal]

Let me say this I didn't question this thread for the racial undertones that exists in this society when it comes to black QB's. Even thoe we all know it's clear that it's at work when talking about Cam. Example Jay Cutler, Matthew Stafford, Andrew Luck and others never get as much criticism about their "football intelligence" (reading defenses, running complex offenses, and on and on) but have way more TO and bone head throws then Cam. Or you never talk about David Carr or Joey Harrington being bust because they weren't smart enough but it's the first thing that comes up about Jamarcus Russell and Vince Young. Even The Golden Calf of Bristol intelligence was never question and he never made the right read or saw the field on time.

But again that's another topic.

My problem is Jack the plumber playing QB guru questioning Cam for mistakes or issues all QB's have.

1. Have you notice that Cam's inaccurate games or periods come when he's been sacked or hit more then 4 times a game? If you look at the stats of his worst comp% games this year. You would notice the common theme that he was sacked 4 or more times in those games. And if you ftwatched other QB's and look up their stats during a bad game you will see they suffer from the same issue when being hit a lot. Plain and Simple this won't change no matter how much Cam practices is on his foot work.

2. Serious question. How many highlight catches have you seen from Panthers WR this year? How many jump balls or 1 hand grabs. Have you seen this year???,

 

Absolutely correct when it comes to Joey Harrington. The reason I reference the Dolphins is because their my hometown team I grew up rooting for. Harrington backed up Dante Culpepper in Saban's second year (Culpepper went to MIA and Bress went to NO and the rest, as you know, is history) and it was a horrible year for the Phins. But I would never forget how MIA fans treated Culpepper's shortcomings as compared to Harrington's...

 

MIA fans were demanding Culpepper to be benched (sound familiar? Vick, Newton, McNabb, RGIII) after the 2nd game and wanted Harrington inserted. Well Culpepper did get injured and Harrington proved once again he was a bust...throwing pick after pick. But no Phin fan questioned Harrington's intelligence or even ability to play the QB position but Culpepper's certainly was.

 

Culpepper's problem was sacks...Harrington's was Interceptions but I had numerous Dolphins tell me that sacks are worst than Interceptions, and a QB with a lot of sacks is less intelligent than one with a ton of picks. Of course, this season Tannehill has more sacks than anyone. No one on the Dolphins forum suggests it is because he is not intelligent or questions his ability to play the position. And remember, Tannehill was a WR when he came to Texas AM. Funny how that works.

 

 

But back to Newton, yes I have noticed that. What I have also noticed is that everyone has a meltdown when Brees or Ryan is even touched. We get, "Well the Saints or Falcons offensive line needs to do a better job of pass protection. They are letting their QB down." And then of course the lineman is replaced.

 

However, we get, "Well Cam needs to get rid of the ball quicker (despite there being no on to throw the ball too) or make quicker decisions," if Carolina gets up a ton of sacks.

 

Re-watch the Panthers-Saints and the 49ers-Falcons game from this weekend. Gruden was having a heart-attack because Ryan got touched AFTER he threw the ball (he was not sacked nor tackled, Ryan simply got touched) on 3rd down in the first quarter, yet when Kaepernick was sacked, he makes some comment such as "the Falcons really have Kaepernick confused out there." You will notice the same general comments in the Panthers game.

 

2. No, the Panthers do not have play makers at the skilled positions so I am not surprised that highlight plays are not being made. The organization felt it better to strengthen the Defense, which is 100% okay with me.

 

The part that bothers me though, is fans who think the offense should be more explosive or better than it currently is. With what weapons? With what OC? You are smoking crack if you think this offense, with its highly limited personnel (this is even with Steve Smith), would be more than below average.

 

As I said in the off season, this season is about our defense, where all the resources went, turning into a top 5 unit and carrying our offense to a post-season. And this is exactly what has happened as it should.

 

You can dump all your draft picks, coaching staff, and general money in the defense and then question why Cam can only put up 17 points on the Saints. HELLO. Pay attention: Cam Newton is not God.

[FootballMaestro]

Absolutely correct when it comes to Joey Harrington. The reason I reference the Dolphins is because their my hometown team I grew up rooting for. Harrington backed up Dante Culpepper in Saban's second year (Culpepper went to MIA and Bress went to NO and the rest, as you know, is history) and it was a horrible year for the Phins. But I would never forget how MIA fans treated Culpepper's shortcomings as compared to Harrington's...

 

MIA fans were demanding Culpepper to be benched (sound familiar? Vick, Newton, McNabb, RGIII) after the 2nd game and wanted Harrington inserted. Well Culpepper did get injured and Harrington proved once again he was a bust...throwing pick after pick. But no Phin fan questioned Harrington's intelligence or even ability to play the QB position but Culpepper's certainly was.

 

Culpepper's problem was sacks...Harrington's was Interceptions but I had numerous Dolphins tell me that sacks are worst than Interceptions, and a QB with a lot of sacks is less intelligent than one with a ton of picks. Of course, this season Tannehill has more sacks than anyone. No one on the Dolphins forum suggests it is because he is not intelligent or questions his ability to play the position. And remember, Tannehill was a WR when he came to Texas AM. Funny how that works.

 

 

But back to Newton, yes I have noticed that. What I have also noticed is that everyone has a meltdown when Brees or Ryan is even touched. We get, "Well the Saints or Falcons offensive line needs to do a better job of pass protection. They are letting their QB down." And then of course the lineman is replaced.

 

However, we get, "Well Cam needs to get rid of the ball quicker (despite there being no on to throw the ball too) or make quicker decisions," if Carolina gets up a ton of sacks.

 

Re-watch the Panthers-Saints and the 49ers-Falcons game from this weekend. Gruden was having a heart-attack because Ryan got touched AFTER he threw the ball (he was not sacked nor tackled, Ryan simply got touched) on 3rd down in the first quarter, yet when Kaepernick was sacked, he makes some comment such as "the Falcons really have Kaepernick confused out there." You will notice the same general comments in the Panthers game.

 

2. No, the Panthers do not have play makers at the skilled positions so I am not surprised that highlight plays are not being made. The organization felt it better to strengthen the Defense, which is 100% okay with me.

 

The part that bothers me though, is fans who think the offense should be more explosive or better than it currently is. With what weapons? With what OC? You are smoking crack if you think this offense, with its highly limited personnel (this is even with Steve Smith), would be more than below average.

 

As I said in the off season, this season is about our defense, where all the resources went, turning into a top 5 unit and carrying our offense to a post-season. And this is exactly what has happened as it should.

 

You can dump all your draft picks, coaching staff, and general money in the defense and then question why Cam can only put up 17 points on the Saints. HELLO. Pay attention: Cam Newton is not God.

 

Good post. 

 

And I agree with practically everything you said, including the whole 'Offensive line vs Getting Rid of the Ball Quicker" judgment on QB's...

 

No doubt. There's a perception that certain QB's need work/can't throw to begin with, so it's always their fault. I get that. Which is why I'll always defend Cam in certain situations, where I feel he's being lazily judged (how quick they are to judge a bad throw, when they don't know the receivers route, for example). 

 

However, I think you're climbing up the wrong tree, if you're so quick to defend RG3 and Kaep. Cause/as I've said many times; I don't think those guys are pocket passers to say the least, and are far behind Cam, Wilson, Luck, Tannehil, and even Dalton in that respect. 

 

I'm not saying they're not good QB's/Prospects, and have other attributes. Of course they do. It's just that, in that arena, they need work. But their teams success, gave some of their fans a false sense of hope that these guys could actually read defenses, just because they were winning and put up good stats. It was mostly system based, quite frankly. 

 

All I'm saying is: Defend the guys who are actually making progress in this arena (Wilson and Cam for example). Cause RG3 and Kaep can blow up in your face at anytime. We already seen what happened to RG3's season this year, and what almost happened to Kaep with out Crabtree and some other weapons as well. 

 

We all know, how bad Cam's Oline and how average his WR's are. However, the team is winning, cause other facets of the team have showed up. Well, Kaep, RG3, Wilson and Luck--had that--all last year. Cam's just getting a taste of that now (others showing up), despite the offenses obvious shortcomings. And look what's happened so far?

[mcdougal]

Good post. 

 

And I agree with practically everything you said, including the whole 'Offensive line vs Getting Rid of the Ball Quicker" judgment on QB's...

 

No doubt. There's a perception that certain QB's need work/can't throw to begin with, so it's always their fault. I get that. Which is why I'll always defend Cam in certain situations, where I feel he's being lazily judged (how quick they are to judge a bad throw, when they don't know the receivers route, for example). 

 

However, I think you're climbing up the wrong tree, if you're so quick to defend RG3 and Kaep. Cause/as I've said many times; I don't think those guys are pocket passers to say the least, and are far behind Cam, Wilson, Luck, Tannehil, and even Dalton in that respect. 

 

I'm not saying they're not good QB's/Prospects, and have other attributes. Of course they do. It's just that, in that arena, they need work. But their teams success, gave some of their fans a false sense of hope that these guys could actually read defenses, just because they were winning and put up good stats. It was mostly system based, quite frankly. 

 

All I'm saying is: Defend the guys who are actually making progress in this arena (Wilson and Cam for example). Cause RG3 and Kaep can blow up in your face at anytime. We already seen what happened to RG3's season this year, and what almost happened to Kaep with out Crabtree and some other weapons as well. 

 

We all know, how bad Cam's Oline and how average his WR's are. However, the team is winning, cause other facets of the team have showed up. Well, Kaep, RG3, Wilson and Luck--had that--all last year. Cam's just getting a taste of that now (others showing up), despite the offenses obvious shortcomings. And look what's happened so far?

 

I understand your position. Just know there is a complimentary footballmaestero on the Redskins, Seahawks, and 49ers board (I know, I have corresponded with them--at least on the Redskins and 49ers board--not on the Seahawks, but I am positive there is one on their forum as well) who believes EXACTLY and as PASSIONATELY as you do with regards to Newton vs their QB.

 

But, I simply refuse to share either fan bases sentiments regarding the other. Newton has the ability to read defenses--always had-- just like RGIII did last year. Redskins fans claimed Newton's character flaws and intelligence prevented him from having a winning record or having a QB rating in the 100s like Griffin was at last year. RGIII was EVERYTHING Newton was SUPPOSED to be--high character, intelligent, a leader, a winner, the next NFL superstar!

 

And of course Kaepernick was the next evolution of both Newton and RGIII---a superhuman of Newton, RGIII, and Peyton Manning abilities all rolled into one! Hence the Superbowl appearance, this of course per: 49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/

RGIII and Newton are mere mortals compared to Kaepernick-- you just wait and see mcdogual. Newton/RGIII would NEVER be able to handle all the stuff Greg Roman throws at our QB: the multi-formations, the audibles, the down the field passing game. RGIII and Newton are the poor man's Kaepernick! You just wait and see mcdougal...

 

Now this year I am supposed to suddenly believe RGIII and Kaepernick could not hold Newton's jock strap when it comes to reading defenses (I know you have always felt Newton could read defenses better than RGIII or Kaepernick) from Panthers fans. RGIII and Kaepernick are the REAL non-NFL type QBs. It is they who cannot read defenses.

 

OR maybe RGIII's "lack of ability to read coverage" is tied to having one of the worst defenses or Kaepernicks "lack of pocket awareness" is more to do with the fact that for MUCH of the year, 5 of his top targets are different than last year including Kyle Williams, the worst second option at WR in the NFL.

 

 

 

But anyways I digress, like I previously said, all of this could be explained by: "My QB has a prettier girlfriend than your QB" mentality. And I see ZERO problem with this. Your a Redskins fan, of course you feel Newton is inadequate as compared to Bob/Kapernick. Or in our case, we are Panthers fan...Cam Newton's abilities runs blocks around your QB, RGIII/Kapernick.

 

But it doesn't end there. There is something MORE going on. In each fan base, EACH base GENERALLY thinks that Tannehill is a better QB than all those QBs sans their own QB. Or Stafford, or Bradford, or Luck. Each fan base is HIGHLY appreciative of the talents and intellectual abilities of Tannehill or Stafford or Bradford or Luck. Believes that Tannehill or Stafford or Bradford or Luck are great/ "workable" long term solutions for their team's QB problem.

 

YET, for the most part the numbers--win percentage--circumstances-- actually point to Newton, RGIII, or Kaepernick or Wilson being BETTER at reading coverage and being productive members of their offensives than Tannehill or Stafford or Bradford or Luck.

 

 

Didn't mean to be so long, but this ^ is my contention really. I disagree with your assertions about RGIII and Kaepernick but so what. You could very well be right. And your a Panthers fan, it is a given RGIII and Kapernick is a loser compared to Newton. Same with Redskins and 49ers and Seattle footballmaestero versions.

 

The question I have is why isn't Tannehill or Stafford or Bradford or Luck a loser?