Dorsey's dropping the ball as QB Coach.

[Evengelion]

this is the most childish/homer-ish...?/nonsensical statement I've read. And the one I've been trying to educate all of you on for the past 45 minutes....

 

just because we are in the playoffs does NOT mean magically Cam's mechanics are perfect overnight. They still need work. Thats all the OP was saying. THAT IS IT. no he doesnt suck. Yes every QB has problems.

 

And yes we are in the playoffs. Would you now like every single thread to be titled:

"YAYYY WE'RE IN!!!!"

 

or

 

"GOLLY GEE!!! I SURE AM PUMPED!"

 

?? would that work better for you? What do you think the panthers work on this week? Does RR tell them "WOOHOO! WE DID IT!!!!" or does he say: "This is what we need to work on before the Atl game......" hmmmmmm i wonder

62.1, 11-4, with probably the worse receiver corps in the league. Deal with it.

[rko396]

BAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHHAH im a cam hater cuz i said "love cam. glad hes our QB. needs to work on mechanics" All of you are right. He is absolutely perfect with nothing to work on (even tho in a thread 2 weeks ago i called him the 4th best QB in the league).

 

lmao this is too funny. I knew people from the south are dumb as poo but this is beyond funny at this point. So glad I now have a part time job educating incestual hicks on this message board. This is too much. I love each and every one of you. Thank you for making this fun for me as well :) I will now thank christ everyday Im from the north and don't have to have any affiliation with the semi-retarded/religious/home-schooled education system that failed you all.   :)

 

 

 

how all our arguments have gone:

 

OP: Hope Cam works on his footwork and mechanics

Me: I agree

All of you: EVERY QB HAS ISSUES!! NO ONES PERFECT!!!!

Me: Yeah I know.... never said they were....

All of you: THEN WHY DOES CAM GET MORE HEAT THEN ANYONE ELSE??!?!

Me: How the fug should I know? Im not on the Falcons, Dolphins, Eagles, Etc... forums

All of you: YEAH SO CAM SUCKS HUH??!?!?? 

Me: ummmmm nope. never ever said that

All of you: YEAH WAY TO CONTRADICT YOURSELF!!!

 

hahahhahah. Too much fun. see u all on sunday

[IGSaint]

Goddamn rko396 is such a dramaqueen. I'm really starting to assume you are a woman.

[mcdougal]

I don't know if they think of him as a Franchise QB, but they know he's flawed. And yes, he's a pocket passer, albeit a gunslinger. So that may be the reason if/why, they think of him as a "Franchise QB', if they do. He's certainly workable for the long term. Maybe, he just needs better coaching/game management?

 

I acknowledged, that both RG3 and Kaepernick were accomplished (albeit for one season really). However (despite their accomplishments), neither QB is a legitimate pocket QB at this stage. And dem is just the facts!

 

I think Russell Wilson and Cam (who many critics are loathe to use for a positive example for anything relating to passing), are better black QB's to use as an example; as RG3 and Kaepernick need a lot of work, and are protected in their teams schemes. And I've been very consistent with this argument(about them) from day one/last year. 

 

I think the real problem is: Many casual fans, view black QB's as running QB's (which many are), with out the ability to read defenses, throw from the pocket and remain patient behind the LOS (regardless, whether they are or aren't).

 

Using RG3 and Kaepernick as examples, doesn't help the argument of willing black pocket QB's. You can call them accomplished for sure, but those guys need work. Cause it's their offenses and systems that they more rely on, than their ability and willingness to stay in the pocket and read defenses. And it shows. They're protected. 

 

If you think of Stafford as "certainly workable for the long term" and indicate "maybe, he just needs better coaching..." you hold Stafford in high regards. Certainly higher than nearly every black qb in the NFL that ever was.

 

The point I am making is that many do not hold Newton or Vick or McNabb for that matter in that type of regards. There is ALWAYS questions if they are ever "workable for the long term." (Yes including McNabb). And they are most certainly NOT:

 

"...certainly workable for the long term." This singular term is what will separate Stafford from Newton. Stafford is permanent. Newton is not in the eyes of the fans.

 

What evidence do I have? Stafford, much like Rivers, fan base is never going to suggest benching. Under no circumstances sans a major injury or absolute blow out. Period. Dot. End. Of. Discussion.

 

Newton or RGIII's or McNabb or Vick...not so much.

 

And I am talking about in these QBs Best seasons. Philly fans wanted McNabb benched permanently when they went to their last Superbowl run (and really every run they made in the 2000s). ATL and Philly fans wanted Vick benched (yes even in couple of seasons ago when he almost won MVP).

 

I would say that the only real parallel is Matt Schaub, but again Houston wanted him benched AFTER his probowl seasons. People want black qbs benched during their probowl campaigns.

[mcdougal]

I think absolute statements like this are ultimately going to lead you to improper conclusions.  I don't agree with the absolute nature of this statement, but maybe that's because I'm a white man that doesn't give a poo if our QB is white or black or purple.  I don't really need you to believe me on this... you can think whatever you want on it.   Frankly, I don't think I could relate to hardly any white QBs, either, but that doesn't keep me from liking tem.  I certainly don't relate to Keek better than TD or something because he's white.  Nothing about our lives are the same other than skin color, and so while he is more "Familiar" to me I've never thought of him as special because of that in any way.

 

You may be right that the majority of white people would prefer a black QB, I don't know.  It may also be regional? I don't know, I understand what you are getting at but I think the reality is it's just that a lot of people are still influenced heavily by racial bias that exists in the media and the like.

 

But it is not an absolute statement. You took out all the parts in which I qualified my statements. I said I do not for a second believe a majority of NFL fans (therefore the majority of white men) actively root against black qbs. Many, like you, want to win and could care less about the racial background of any player.

 

And let me be more specific on the part you quoted: Whether conscious or subconscious, I believe men (whether white or black or green) more readily identify with members of their own racial group. 

 

I am certain if that we lived in a world where the majority of NFL fans were black, and we had white qbs this issue would still exist. Hell, it might even exist at Historically Black Colleges with white QBs as we speak.

[footballisasport]

Ahh ok.  I agree with you actually, and some of your predictions are in fact turning out to be true now that the team is winning, people still seem intent on deconstructing every aspect of Cam's game at a weird level.

 

I sometimes believe I have way more faith in this team than some of you. :)

 

I remember the hair on fire attitudes after a 1-3 start to the season. Some on here, as well as those in the media, had the panthers at a 7-9 or 8-8 season. There is a reason why taking a game one day at a time is the only way to go.

 

Truth be told I felt the Panthers were going to split the games with the Saints and posted it on here three weeks ago. So when I saw the score with a minute left in Sunday's game, I was sad but I didn't lose faith. I blinked and the score changed.

 

Take from a long suffering NY Knick fan. The game isn't over until the clock hits zero.

[mav1234]

But it is not an absolute statement. You took out all the parts in which I qualified my statements. I said I do not for a second believe a majority of NFL fans (therefore the majority of white men) actively root against black qbs. Many, like you, want to win and could care less about the racial background of any player.

 

And let me be more specific on the part you quoted: Whether conscious or subconscious, I believe men (whether white or black or green) more readily identify with members of their own racial group. 

 

I am certain if that we lived in a world where the majority of NFL fans were black, and we had white qbs this issue would still exist. Hell, it might even exist at Historically Black Colleges with white QBs as we speak.

 

I misread your statement, my apologies; I thought you were saying all white men prefer white QBs.

 

As to people identifying with members of their own race more... I don't know how true that is, and it's not true in my experience.  My experience is that socioeconomic factors tend to impact with whom people associate more than race.  The two are correlated tho.  But, regardless of that, I don't think that saying people identify more on a subconscious level with people that look more like them means that people have to dislike or not want someone that doesn't look like them.  I think we, as people, are more than capable of quite easily overcoming that... but maybe I'm too optimistic.

[FootballMaestro]

If you think of Stafford as "certainly workable for the long term" and indicate "maybe, he just needs better coaching..." you hold Stafford in high regards. Certainly higher than nearly every black qb in the NFL that ever was.

 

The point I am making is that many do not hold Newton or Vick or McNabb for that matter in that type of regards. There is ALWAYS questions if they are ever "workable for the long term." (Yes including McNabb). And they are most certainly NOT:

 

"...certainly workable for the long term." This singular term is what will separate Stafford from Newton. Stafford is permanent. Newton is not in the eyes of the fans.

 

What evidence do I have? Stafford, much like Rivers, fan base is never going to suggest benching. Under no circumstances sans a major injury or absolute blow out. Period. Dot. End. Of. Discussion.

 

Newton or RGIII's or McNabb or Vick...not so much.

 

And I am talking about in these QBs Best seasons. Philly fans wanted McNabb benched permanently when they went to their last Superbowl run (and really every run they made in the 2000s). ATL and Philly fans wanted Vick benched (yes even in couple of seasons ago when he almost won MVP).

 

I would say that the only real parallel is Matt Schaub, but again Houston wanted him benched AFTER his probowl seasons. People want black qbs benched during their probowl campaigns.

I'm not understanding this fully. 

 

I already stated, that many here are not convinced with Stafford. Calling him "workable", is not a slight against the other QB's you mentioned (if anything, it's a slight against Stafford, who many hold in higher regard than  just "workable"). So it may appear, you're looking for an argument I'm not giving you. 

 

There's also many here that don't like Luck (and who don't care about Tannehill--especially last year-- or Dalton), as well. 

 

I know many fans and analyst (of various backgrounds), that would rather have Cam than Stafford as far as I can see. Just because Peter King (or the dude from ESPN's name that escapes me), prefers Stafford over Newton, doesn't change that existence.

 

Everyone has [and is entitled to] an opinion. To each his own. If they like Stafford; good for them. Are you trying to say Stafford possesses no talent? That's not fair. Stafford is "workable" as RG3 (maybe even more so), and the others you mentioned. They all have their attributes. As we've been stating through the thread; "no QB's perfect". 

 

Lastly (and I've been very consistent with this); I'm not highly impressed with RG3 and Kaepernick, despite their one season stats, and team success. Yes, RG3 has nice accuracy and sprinting speed. Kaepernick has a very good arm, height and speed as well. However, neither one of them can read an NFL defense and show patience in the pocket long enough, to show off those attributes on a regular basis (or at least in comparison to Cam, who the media seemingly forgot about at times, discussing these handicapped young signal callers).

 

Andrew Luck, is overrated as well. However, at least he's attempting to read defenses at a higher clip/better level than the other two guys, who rely heavily on their run games, timing, and trickery, for their offensive execution. 

 

Neither RG3 or Kaepernick, would have done what Cam did at the end of the Saints game, unless it was just pure dumb luck! And the other Luck (Andrew); may have thrown an interception. Wilson, would have been scrambling around of course, tossing the ball up for grabs to Golden Tate (if he wasn't smashed first by the pass rush). Saying all that: Luck and Wilson, would have had a chance at least. Not sure if Kaepernick or RG3, would have had any chance, considering the pass rush, contact, responsibility/no running due to time, and how Newton had to go through his progressions, mind you make those type of passes in succession, after??

[ajax4132]

I'm not understanding this fully. 

 

I already stated, that many here are not convinced with Stafford. Calling him "workable", is not a slight against the other QB's you mentioned (if anything, it's a slight against Stafford, who many hold in higher regard than  just "workable"). So it may appear, you're looking for an argument I'm not giving you. 

 

There's also many here that don't like Luck (and who don't care about Tannehill--especially last year-- or Dalton), as well. 

 

I know many fans (of various backgrounds), that would rather have Cam than Stafford as far as I can see. Just because Peter King (or the dude from ESPN's name that escapes me), prefers Stafford over Newton, doesn't change that existence.

 

Everyone has [and is entitled to] an opinion. To each his own. If they like Stafford; good for them. Are you trying to say Stafford possesses no talent? That's not fair. Stafford is "workable" as RG3 (maybe even more so), and the others you mentioned. They all have their attributes. As we've been stating through the thread; "no QB's perfect". 

 

Lastly (and I've been very consistent with this); I'm not highly impressed with RG3 and Kaepernick, despite their one season stats, and team success. Yes, RG3 has nice accuracy and sprinting speed. Kaepernick has a very good arm, height and speed as well. However, neither one of them can read an NFL defense and show patience in the pocket long enough, to show off those attributes on a regular basis (or at least in comparison to Cam, who the media seemingly forgot about at times, discussing these guys).

 

Andrew Luck, is overrated as well. However, at least he's attempting to read defenses at a higher clip/better level than the other two guys, who rely heavily on their run games, timing, and trickery, for their offensive execution. 

 

Neither RG3 or Kaepernick, would have done what Cam did at the end of the Saints game, unless it was just pure dumb luck! And the other Luck (Andrew); may have thrown an interception. Wilson, would have been scrambling around of course, tossing the ball up for grabs to Golden Tate (if he wasn't smashed first by the pass rush). 

Those throws by Cam are elite level plays. The anticipation throw to Ginn, the zip to olsen before the safety could crash over top and the low and away throw to Hixon demonstrate that Cam has stepped into the top tier. Cam is throwing to guys (barring #89) who would at max be #3 wrs on any other team. He is finding away and making his wrs job easier. 

[ajax4132]

I definitely don't believe Kaep and Rg3 could make those reads 

[FootballMaestro]

I definitely don't believe Cam and Rg3 could make those reads 

I guess, you meant "Kaepernick"? Lol

[ajax4132]

I guess, you meant "Kaepernick"? Lol

Imma fuging dumbass

[FootballMaestro]

Imma fuging dumbass

Not at all. 

 

Sometimes we think faster than we write.

 

Note: Pie above, is not cause you called yourself a "dumbass". Lol

[footballisasport]

If you think of Stafford as "certainly workable for the long term" and indicate "maybe, he just needs better coaching..." you hold Stafford in high regards. Certainly higher than nearly every black qb in the NFL that ever was.

 

The point I am making is that many do not hold Newton or Vick or McNabb for that matter in that type of regards. There is ALWAYS questions if they are ever "workable for the long term." (Yes including McNabb). And they are most certainly NOT:

 

"...certainly workable for the long term." This singular term is what will separate Stafford from Newton. Stafford is permanent. Newton is not in the eyes of the fans.

 

What evidence do I have? Stafford, much like Rivers, fan base is never going to suggest benching. Under no circumstances sans a major injury or absolute blow out. Period. Dot. End. Of. Discussion.

 

Newton or RGIII's or McNabb or Vick...not so much.

 

And I am talking about in these QBs Best seasons. Philly fans wanted McNabb benched permanently when they went to their last Superbowl run (and really every run they made in the 2000s). ATL and Philly fans wanted Vick benched (yes even in couple of seasons ago when he almost won MVP).

 

I would say that the only real parallel is Matt Schaub, but again Houston wanted him benched AFTER his probowl seasons. People want black qbs benched during their probowl campaigns.

 

In all honesty, Redskins fans never asked for RG III to be benched. Those in the media who promoted him didn't ask for him to be benched either, despite his season. Heck, Cam had a much better second season than RG and it's he who to the so called "slump" label despite taking the Panthers to a 7-9 season; one better than the season before. 

 

But I have to agree, the Panthers fans always finding ways to blame Cam for the weaknesses of the team and seem to want him benched at every turn...I don't know...that seems like some seriously shady hate going on there. I'm just saying.