Dorsey's dropping the ball as QB Coach.

[WOW!!]

Healthy or unhealthy Smitty? Are we including OL as a weapon?

Everybody healthy you can add Online if you want to.

[mcdougal]

Though I complimented you previous post; I think you're being highly subjective here, especially towards the end. 

 

1) I don't think many "Huddlers" hold a high opinion of Matthew Stafford

2) I would agree, that it appears many "fan boards", and especially comments sections, are usually highly critical of black QB's. However, you get more trolls on websites, especially comments sections as well. 

 

3) RG3 and Kaepernick, do have/had big times flaws. So I don't care what they did last year. You can celebrate them for their success (which most did, compared to Cam). However, both of those guys are highly flawed and suspect, though talented. 

 

4) Regarding Eric Allen earlier: I find that more people are quick to comment on Cam, than it seems anyone else. But some how, they seem to know the least about him, and his game. Go figure!! Do these guys actually watch Panther games?

 

Do you think most "Huddlers" think of Stafford as a franchise QB?

 

And IMO, RGIII and Kaepernick is every bit as accomplished as any QB at this stage of their careers, as any current NFL starter.

[QueensKing]

If you want to say the media or haters have a racial bias I can at least bite my tongue. But if your gonna call Carolina Panthers fans racist for stating the obvious then you are just seeing what you want to see. We buy his jerseys, we support his charities, we cheer for him in the stadium every Sunday. How could anyone think Carolina Panthers fans are racist towards Cam? We are talking about what he does on the field. His performance, his actions. These are topics with substance. This isn't who he is, it's about how he's playing.

 

Sometimes the "obvious" is said in certain situations while being ignored in other situations.  I think this is where the problem is.  No, people aren't racist due to stating a factually based opinion, but, where some see "racism/bias" is when the same people choose to ignore or don't even see the same when criticizing someone else. 

 

Sadly, it's an acquired taste, you would see it more if you've had to deal with it your entire life, if you haven't you'll never see it when it's right in front of your face.  Different perspectives.  And yes, I have directly observed many Panther fans criticizing Cam at a level that was never given to other Panther QBs, it's not the fact that he was criticized, it's that he was given an unfair amount of criticism compared to others in his shoes.  The criticism isn't wrong, the shorter leash is wrong, and to some this can be directly attributed to his race.  It permeates our society, so it's not far fetched to suggest it hasn't also been applied to Cam, despite all the jerseys people buy. 

 

But, the bad apples do smell the worst. 

[Pox 08]

Some people will complain about anything I guess.

 

While some of you complain, I'm just going to be over here with the rest of the fans that are 100% content with where we are as a franchise and where our qb is as a franchise qb.       11-4.         

 

 

[rko396]

Panther fans during a game:

"WTFFFFFF CAM?!?! come on. step into a fugging throw!! figured you would learn that by now!"

 

Panther fans after a game:

"I think Cam could work on his accuracy...."

....

"WTF?!?! LISTEN HERE RACIST!! GET OFF ANDY LUCK'S D*CK FOR 5 MINUTES AND MAYBE ULL SEE WE HAVE THE BEST QB IN THE LEAGUE!!!!"

 

 

relax guys. OP never said Cam sucks. Just has some throwing issues that should have been corrected after 47 NFL games, and I completely agree with him. Thats all he said. Thats it. End debate

[mav1234]

HOWEVER, whether they want to admit or not, white men (the majority of the NFL fan base) would prefer individuals that they can relate as THE face of their favorite franchise.

 

I think absolute statements like this are ultimately going to lead you to improper conclusions.  I don't agree with the absolute nature of this statement, but maybe that's because I'm a white man that doesn't give a poo if our QB is white or black or purple.  I don't really need you to believe me on this... you can think whatever you want on it.   Frankly, I don't think I could relate to hardly any white QBs, either, but that doesn't keep me from liking tem.  I certainly don't relate to Keek better than TD or something because he's white.  Nothing about our lives are the same other than skin color, and so while he is more "Familiar" to me I've never thought of him as special because of that in any way.

 

You may be right that the majority of white people would prefer a black QB, I don't know.  It may also be regional? I don't know, I understand what you are getting at but I think the reality is it's just that a lot of people are still influenced heavily by racial bias that exists in the media and the like.

[FootballMaestro]

Do you think most "Huddlers" think of Stafford as a franchise QB?

 

And IMO, RGIII and Kaepernick is every bit as accomplished as any QB at this stage of their careers, as any current NFL starter.

 

I don't know if they think of him as a Franchise QB, but they know he's flawed. And yes, he's a pocket passer, albeit a gunslinger. So that may be the reason if/why, they think of him as a "Franchise QB', if they do. He's certainly workable for the long term. Maybe, he just needs better coaching/game management?

 

I acknowledged, that both RG3 and Kaepernick were accomplished (albeit for one season really). However (despite their accomplishments), neither QB is a legitimate pocket QB at this stage. And dem is just the facts!

 

I think Russell Wilson and Cam (who many critics are loathe to use for a positive example for anything relating to passing), are better black QB's to use as an example; as RG3 and Kaepernick need a lot of work, and are protected in their teams schemes. And I've been very consistent with this argument(about them) from day one/last year. 

 

I think the real problem is: Many casual fans, view black QB's as running QB's (which many are), with out the ability to read defenses, throw from the pocket and remain patient behind the LOS (regardless, whether they are or aren't).

 

Using RG3 and Kaepernick as examples, doesn't help the argument of willing black pocket QB's. You can call them accomplished for sure, but those guys need work. Cause it's their offenses and systems that they more rely on, than their ability and willingness to stay in the pocket and read defenses. And it shows. They're protected. 

[mav1234]

Everybody healthy you can add Online if you want to.

Our o-line is not doing so well, so yeah, I'd agree with you... I do think we have one of the worst WR corps in the league, and the loss of Smith, ugh...

 

Hopefully Gman gets Cam some help this offseason.  Ginn has been a nice surprise, but he's really a #3 at best, imo.

[WOW!!]

Panther fans during a game:

"WTFFFFFF CAM?!?! come on. step into a fugging throw!! figured you would learn that by now!"

Panther fans after a game:

"I think Cam could work on his accuracy...."

....

"WTF?!?! LISTEN HERE RACIST!! GET OFF ANDY LUCK'S D*CK FOR 5 MINUTES AND MAYBE ULL SEE WE HAVE THE BEST QB IN THE LEAGUE!!!!"

relax guys. OP never said Cam sucks. Just has some throwing issues that should have been corrected after 47 NFL games, and I completely agree with him. Thats all he said. Thats it. End debate

That every other QB in the league has. And if the OP would study every other QB as much as he studies Cam. He would see that.

[mav1234]

Do you think most "Huddlers" think of Stafford as a franchise QB?

 

And IMO, RGIII and Kaepernick is every bit as accomplished as any QB at this stage of their careers, as any current NFL starter.

 

1) Depends how you define "Franchise."  The way I do, yes, but I have a different opinion than most - I think it's just a guy you are building around for the forseeable future and not trying to replace any time soon.  I think most Huddlers would say Stafford is a good QB but isn't really that great and has some serious issues with decision making and probably looks better than he is because of Megatron

 

2) They are as accomplished as any QB at this point in their career BUT I do not think either of them have the depth to their game that Cam and Wilson have because neither of them are as comfortable in the pocket.  While this doesn't mean they can't win, it does mean that they are easier to contain sometimes.  I think Cam and Wilson are MUCH harder to do that to.

[rko396]

That every other QB in the league has. And if the OP would study every other QB as much he would see that.

 

Are you trolling? or just illiterate? Did the OP say "EVERY OTHER QB IN THE LEAGUE IS PERFECT AND CAM SUCKS!!!" ? no. he said hes loved what hes seen out of Cam, minus a few things. Of course every QB has issues, OP never denied that. you want the OP to now create a thread discussing his views on all 96 QBs in this league? A new thread for every one? Or how about maybe, just maybe, he uses this PANTHER forum, to discuss his thoughts and opinions of the QB for the PANTHERS. 

[mav1234]

I think some people are trying to point out that Cam gets more criticism by his own fans than other young QBs that are white do from their fans, despite the fact they have issues sometimes more... So why might that be?

 

Of course I don't know if that is true, and I'm not going to do the research to know if it's true of other fan bases.  But it DOES seem true that the media is a lot harsher on black QBs than white QBs, and a lot faster to abandon them.

[FootballMaestro]

Are you trolling? or just illiterate? Did the OP say "EVERY OTHER QB IN THE LEAGUE IS PERFECT AND CAM SUCKS!!!" ? no. he said hes loved what hes seen out of Cam, minus a few things. Of course every QB has issues, OP never denied that. you want the OP to now create a thread discussing his views on all 96 QBs in this league? A new thread for every one? Or how about maybe, just maybe, he uses this PANTHER forum, to discuss his thoughts and opinions of the QB for the PANTHERS. 

But why write such a long, detailed (and many times incorrect factually) treatise, after the teams biggest win of the year, while making the playoffs for the first time in 5 years (and for the 5th time in the teams existence)????????

 

That is a bit odd (some people here, must either be deeply in love, or deeply hate the QB, to focus on him so much/that way, after such a win). And I agree, you would find very few fan sites where you would see that type of post, after such a big, euphoric win (led by the topic of discussion, by the way), for such a downtrodden Franchise, as the Panthers have been. 

 

Though the poster has a right. In reality/totality, it was kinda silly. You would have never seen that type of post on other fans websites after such a big win (especially teams/fan bases that are used to winning). 

[rko396]

But why write such a long, detailed (and many times incorrect factually) treatise, after the teams biggest win of the year, while making the playoffs for the first time in 5 (and for the 5th time in the teams existence)????????

 

That is a bit odd. And I agree, you would find very few fan sites where you would see that type of post, after such a big, euphoric win, for such a downtrodden Franchise. 

 

whether we are 15-0 or 2-13, Cam's throws are cam's throws. Us having the "biggest win of the year" doesn't change the fact that the ball sails when Cam throws FAR too often (and usually based on poor throwing mechanics). If theres one franchise who needed a win like this week more than the panthers, idk who it is, and all of us absolutely loved it. But the point of this thread was him just to point out, "hey whats up with that? shouldnt that be addressed by now?" And just think if that last pass to Ginn had sailed just 3 inches higher and was off the finger tips of Ginn... after the poor game Cam had, imagine the backlash.... Thats all the OP was bringing up.