Dorsey's dropping the ball as QB Coach.

[FootballMaestro]

Why not? Why can't Cam be as good as Brady/Brees/Manning as a passer? Just because he can run, does that limit his passing ability? Is he slow in the head? He can do everything all those guys do and more. Why do we have to pidgeon-hole him into a corner? I think we all need to take a step back and look at his overall potential, Dorsey included. Don't chain him down to the level of Brees, Manning, or Brady, or anybody else for that matter. Farve is great, but Cam brings a lot more to the table than Farve ever did. Cam is not the next Farve, Vick, Manning, Brees, Young, McNabb, Brady, or anything. Cam is the next Cam!! Let him be who he is, and see where that goes!!

 

I agree with this method of thinking. 

 

Let Cam be Cam, and develop into the best he wants to be. Yes, that may/can be anything!

 

Cam has already surpassed Eli; A QB he's often compared to, in this respect: Both are known down field throwers/gunslingers.

 

However, when Eli lost some offensive lineman, along with a inconsistent running game, he couldn't throw the short and intermediate passes to compensate for it. Hence, Eli's thrown a ton of interceptions, and has had a bad year overall (despite having better receivers than Cam). 

 

Meanwhile, Cam's made the adjustment (Poor OL, Inconsistent run game and receivers), and has had a much better year personally, and on the field. Just a year ago, many were saying, "Cam's terrible with short yard passes and can't make them". That's not really true anymore. To the Chagrin, of many Panthers fans; that's what he's seemingly lived off of in 2013 (though his receivers, have dropped many well thrown balls by him, or couldn't connect with Cam for whatever reasons on deep routes)

 

Cam has that burning desire to improve, and be the best he can be. So we should never judge him short. 

[mcdougal]

Granted some of us don't pack the substance you have in your 83 posts but we have to talk about something. What would you have us talk about on a Panthers message board if not the Panthers best player?

 

Oh, I don't know. So check this out. If you go over to the Dolphins message board guess who they are not criticizing or "evaluating" or "critiquing" or "assessing." You guessed it: Ryan Tannehill!

 

Let me remind you this is off a game in which he was 10/27 82 yards and 7 sacks. No INTs, but no TDs either. A game in which the Dolphins needed in order to strengthen their playoff chances. A BIG game if you will.

 

So scrolling through the entire front page of their board there is not a single thread dedicated to Tannehill and his shortcomings. Neither on the 2nd or the 3rd--in fact I could not find any such threads. Not one single thread. And it was until the bottom of the second page IN A THREAD where I found any criticism of Tannehill at all. Not a thread...but a post within a thread entitled, Ryan Tanehill respects Tradition:

 

"Too bad he doesn't respect wide open receivers." Was the last post within the thread.

 

So here we have a fan base whose QB is FAR less accomplished at ANY level than our own QB, their team actually lost, their QB played horrible and they have not secured a playoff spot due a defeat by the Bills YET they still found a away to focus on what they considered the teams bigger issues.

 

And then we have the Carolina Panthers fan base (this goes to any fan base with a black QB) coming off a come from behind win which the QB had a rating of 82 and the game winning TD drive, in the rain, with an injury, without his best weapon (who is an undersized 34 year old to begin with) TO WIN A PLAYOFF SPOT against the team who is the class of the division:

 

We get: WHAT ELSE ARE WE FANS SUPPOSED TO DO BESIDES "TALKING" (NITPICKING) OUR "BEST PLAYER" (THE BLACK QUARTERBACK)?

 

Lord have mercy!

[mcdougal]

It's just the region of the country a QB like Cam is playing in. Bring him to a more affluent and bigger market like Washington, per se, every crappy thread about him wouldn't make half a page before it's locked. Especially as an 11-4 team. The panthers fanbase is divided in two groups, panther fans and player fans. Some of those player fans couldn't care less how the team is doing as long as Keuchly, per se, have a lot of tackles and INTs. Because those player fans don't care about the team, well, they get to pick specific players as their target to troll on every chance they get. And that target for this fanbase is Cam. Things like that aren't monitored in this forum.

 

You hear many huddlers complaining about Cam not being given any attention compared to those other QBs but doesn't understand that the media only react to what the fans want. So, when a sports writer lurks on this forum to find things to write about and see crap like this thread, what do you think the tone of their report is gonna be? Exactly.

 

Here's a little experiment for you to test what I mentioned. Try creating a Luck thread and watch them chastise you about how it doesn't belong in this forum. Then create a RG3 thread and you wouldn't believe the many QB experts you had in this forum.

 

To understand what I'm talking about, there is a thread about Luck and a thread about Cam in the Redskins forum(NFL section). The Luck thread only had about 4 pages with just 3000 views and the Cam thread is ballooned to 21 pages and 14000 views. In conclusion, there are a lot of envious people out there about Cam's and RG3's god given ability. And the only way they can express it is through trolling. But they can keep hating because those two won't be the last.

 

You'd think seeing what Basketball have become they'd get used to seeing people with Cam's and RG3's ability by now. And, they never learn!

 

Footwork? Don't make me laugh!

 

This the exact same thing I found as well over a number of years over a number of different fan bases across the country.

 

Another little experiment that they can try: Say the Panthers (or the 49ers or the Redskins or the Seahawks or the Bills or Jets--it doesn't matter as long as the team has a permanent black starting QB) and the Dolphins are playing. Look at the opposing comments by the fan bases to the other teams QB.

 

In this example from earlier this year, the Panthers fan base was highly complimentary of Tannehill...calling him a good up and coming QB...a very capable starter in this league.

 

What did the Dolphins fans have to say about Newton? Well lets just say they were not in any shape or form of the opinion that Panther fan's had for Tannehill.

 

Now let's say the Panthers played the 49ers. You would think Panther's fans comments would heap even more superlatives than Tannehill given Kaepernick just lead his team to within 5 yards of a Superbowl ring...Nope. And of course the 49ers fan base thought less of Newton than they thought of Sam Bradford.

 

You will find this ALL over the NFL. 

 

Fans of the NFL GENERALLY care little for ANY black QB no matter who he plays for. You may find support for a black QB among his team's fan base BUT you will ALMOST certainly not find any outside of it.

 

HOWEVER, ask a MAJORITY of Panther's fan what they think of a Matt Stafford and you will find that they hold him in very high regards.

 

It's quite sad really.

[WOW!!]

I think another major problem here is people allow the media to shape there opinions.

I heard Eric Allen on a Espn podcast say Stafford has proven he can read defenses better and more polished then Cam. So that's why he doesn't get the same criticism as Cam. Then this dude pauses for 4 seconds and had to think about it. When the host asked him who has better weapons between Cam and Stafford?? I nearly lost my poo.

1st are you reading a defense well when you throw it up in triple coverage and Megatron jumps over everybody and makes a play.

2ndly he looks so polished when he making side arm throws and not setting his feet on his end of the game Int's.

Plain and Simple Cam has come here avg. 30 scores a year, escaped I don't know how many sack attempts to keep drives alive, been the teams best short yardage and best running threat overall, and done all this with bottom 5th in the league skill position talent around him.

Serious question and somebody needs to start a thread asking this.

How many QB in this league would trade their Weapons for Cam's?

I can only think of 3

The Raiders, Jets, and maybe the Rams.

[mav1234]

This the exact same thing I found as well over a number of years over a number of different fan bases across the country.

 

Another little experiment that they can try: Say the Panthers (or the 49ers or the Redskins or the Seahawks or the Bills or Jets--it doesn't matter as long as the team has a permanent black starting QB) and the Dolphins are playing. Look at the opposing comments by the fan bases to the other teams QB.

 

In this example from earlier this year, the Panthers fan base was highly complimentary of Tannehill...calling him a good up and coming QB...a very capable starter in this league.

 

What did the Dolphins fans have to say about Newton? Well lets just say they were not in any shape or form of the opinion that Panther fan's had for Tannehill.

 

Now let's say the Panthers played the 49ers. You would think Panther's fans comments would heap even more superlatives than Tannehill given Kaepernick just lead his team to within 5 yards of a Superbowl ring...Nope. And of course the 49ers fan base thought less of Newton than they thought of Sam Bradford.

 

You will find this ALL over the NFL. 

 

Fans of the NFL GENERALLY care little for ANY black QB no matter who he plays for. You may find support for a black QB among his team's fan base BUT you will ALMOST certainly not find any outside of it.

 

HOWEVER, ask a MAJORITY of Panther's fan what they think of a Matt Stafford and you will find that they hold him in very high regards.

 

It's quite sad really.

 

You may be right, but I think this crop of young NFL QBs may change minds.  Wilson, Cam, Kap, and RG3 are all very talented (I'm not sold on Geno yet, but I hope he can pull through, and the Jets seem so bad around him on offense it's hard to say much about him specifically).  I think that over time, as these guys continue to succeed, you'll see that trend changing.  But your observations on how people treat black QBs is pretty true... Media seems harsher on guys like RG3 and Kap than others. edit: Not to mention how they treated Cam, heh.

 

I've personally met a poo TON of Cam fans up here - and none of them are Panthers fans.  I live in the northeast, and any football conversation I've had up here usually ends up with people saying how much they like Cam, except for one guy that is from Alabama and wouldn't stop calling him scam.  I mean all this is anecdotal, so I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I think this example shows how things COULD change.

 

I was at a bar earlier this year watching a SNF game and this dude had a Panthers hat on.  I was so fuging pumped, 'cause I'd only seen a couple guys rocking our gear before, so I went to talk to him about the team.  Turns out he doesn't really like the team at all, but Cam?  He loves Cam.  Thinks he's great.  He knows poo all about the Panthers (other than that Keek was beasting last year), but he thinks Cam's going to be one of the greatest QBs ever to play the game.  That was back in week 4 or 5... way before our winning streak.

 

So I guess what I'm saying is that I honestly think this trend is changing.  But I think the media just isn't changing to that point yet. 

 

I dunno, I admit I may be totally off, and the more I think about your observations during gameday threads, the more I think you're right, at least about Kap.  People had plenty of reasons to hate him, from his attitude to his tattoos, but how much of that is real and how much of that is poo that got to them from the media etc?

[mcdougal]

I think another major problem here is people allow the media to shape there opinions.

I heard Eric Allen on a Espn podcast say Stafford has proven he can read defenses better and more polished then Cam. So that's why he doesn't get the same criticism as Cam. Then this dude pauses for 4 seconds and had to think about it. When the host asked him who has better weapons between Cam and Stafford?? I nearly lost my poo.

1st are you reading a defense well when you throw it up in triple coverage and Megatron jumps over everybody and makes a play.

2ndly he looks so polished when he making side arm throws and not setting his feet on his end of the game Int's.

Plain and Simple Cam has come here avg. 30 scores a year, escaped I don't know how many sack attempts to keep drives alive, been the teams best short yardage and best running threat overall, and done all this with bottom 5th in the league skill position talent around him.

Serious question and somebody needs to start a thread asking this.

How many QB in this league would trade their Weapons for Cam's?

I can only think of 3

The Raiders, Jets, and maybe the Rams.

 

That is the same question I asked at the beginning of the season. The Jets and the Rams for sure--the Raiders is a toss up.

 

But at this present time...I can only say the Jets. Right now I would take the Rams offense sans the QB over the Panthers.

 

The thing I hope for is that the Panthers do what the Rams did...Go out and add fix the defense, bring in a defensive Head Coach and then Go ALL out on offensive weapons for your franchise QB.

[mav1234]

How many QB in this league would trade their Weapons for Cam's?

I can only think of 3

The Raiders, Jets, and maybe the Rams.

 

Healthy or unhealthy Smitty?   Are we including OL as a weapon?

[KendrickPanther]

If you want to say the media or haters have a racial bias I can at least bite my tongue. But if your gonna call Carolina Panthers fans racist for stating the obvious then you are just seeing what you want to see. We buy his jerseys, we support his charities, we cheer for him in the stadium every Sunday. How could anyone think Carolina Panthers fans are racist towards Cam? We are talking about what he does on the field. His performance, his actions. These are topics with substance. This isn't who he is, it's about how he's playing.

[IGSaint]

I think another major problem here is people allow the media to shape there opinions.

I heard Eric Allen on a Espn podcast say Stafford has proven he can read defenses better and more polished then Cam. So that's why he doesn't get the same criticism as Cam. Then this dude pauses for 4 seconds and had to think about it. When the host asked him who has better weapons between Cam and Stafford?? I nearly lost my poo.

1st are you reading a defense well when you throw it up in triple coverage and Megatron jumps over everybody and makes a play.

2ndly he looks so polished when he making side arm throws and not setting his feet on his end of the game Int's.

Plain and Simple Cam has come here avg. 30 scores a year, escaped I don't know how many sack attempts to keep drives alive, been the teams best short yardage and best running threat overall, and done all this with bottom 5th in the league skill position talent around him.

Serious question and somebody needs to start a thread asking this.

How many QB in this league would trade their Weapons for Cam's?

I can only think of 3

The Raiders, Jets, and maybe the Rams.

 

Cam has a better qb rating than stafford yet they have the audacity to talk about stafford can read defenses better? WTF!

[mav1234]

If you want to say the media or haters have a racial bias I can at least bite my tongue. But if your gonna call Carolina Panthers fans racist for stating the obvious then you are just seeing what you want to see. We buy his jerseys, we support his charities, we cheer for him in the stadium every Sunday. How could anyone think Carolina Panthers fans are racist towards Cam? We are talking about what he does on the field. His performance, his actions. These are topics with substance. This isn't who he is, it's about how he's playing.

 

 

there are some "fans" that sure seem racist... just look back at some of our gameday threads when we were 1-3. =

[mcdougal]

You may be right, but I think this crop of young NFL QBs may change minds.  Wilson, Cam, Kap, and RG3 are all very talented (I'm not sold on Geno yet, but I hope he can pull through, and the Jets seem so bad around him on offense it's hard to say much about him specifically).  I think that over time, as these guys continue to succeed, you'll see that trend changing.  But your observations on how people treat black QBs is pretty true... Media seems harsher on guys like RG3 and Kap than others. edit: Not to mention how they treated Cam, heh.

 

I've personally met a poo TON of Cam fans up here - and none of them are Panthers fans.  I live in the northeast, and any football conversation I've had up here usually ends up with people saying how much they like Cam, except for one guy that is from Alabama and wouldn't stop calling him scam.  I mean all this is anecdotal, so I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I think this example shows how things COULD change.

 

I was at a bar earlier this year watching a SNF game and this dude had a Panthers hat on.  I was so fuging pumped, 'cause I'd only seen a couple guys rocking our gear before, so I went to talk to him about the team.  Turns out he doesn't really like the team at all, but Cam?  He loves Cam.  Thinks he's great.  He knows poo all about the Panthers (other than that Keek was beasting last year), but he thinks Cam's going to be one of the greatest QBs ever to play the game.  That was back in week 4 or 5... way before our winning streak.

 

So I guess what I'm saying is that I honestly think this trend is changing.  But I think the media just isn't changing to that point yet. 

 

I dunno, I admit I may be totally off, and the more I think about your observations during gameday threads, the more I think you're right, at least about Kap.  People had plenty of reasons to hate him, from his attitude to his tattoos, but how much of that is real and how much of that is poo that got to them from the media etc?

 

By all means you will find fans that support Newton. You may even find fans--like one Texans fan--who would trade for RGIII because he thinks he is a good fit for his team. However, more often than not you will find fans who think that Kirk Cousins has "definitely established himself as a starting NFL QB...while Griffin certainly has not." (This same exact statement was made by Philly fans when they had Vick and Kolb...literally the exact same statement.)

 

^^^^^ I got this from a conversation between two Texan fans on a message board (of course, the guy who thought Cousins was better then turn around and stated that he would draft Manizel over Bridgewater LOL!) 

 

And let me clarify something. In no way do I think ALL or even a majority of NFL fans actively root against black QBs. MOST NFL fans simply wants win. HOWEVER, whether they want to admit or not, white men (the majority of the NFL fan base) would prefer individuals that they can relate as THE face of their favorite franchise.

 

I literally saw someone in Minnesota (Vikings fans) say after a Vikings win to secure a playoff spot: "Every time Tavaris Jackson succeeds I feel conflicted and [each victory under Jackson] less rewarding."

 

I am not even necessarily saying this is a bad thing. It is certainly understandable that one would root for things that they feel more recognizable and similar to themselves. 

 

I just wish more people would admit to having such sentiments so that we can properly frame and place in context our opinions of black qbs.

[MechaZain]

Question to the op, Cam didn't win this game Andrew Luckly enough to satisfy you? You're a joke and I understand why your girl don't wanna get in bed with you.

 

haha. Go outside, get some fresh air bud.

 

Cam's great, I wear the guy's name on my back. Immensely proud of him and the team, that's why I want the best for them. He's better than Andrew Luck, that's why I never mentioned him. I am also black, which makes the racist accusations awkward. I hope that cleared things up a bit for you. Let me know if I need to dumb it down a few more grade levels.

[FootballMaestro]

Oh, I don't know. So check this out. If you go over to the Dolphins message board guess who they are not criticizing or "evaluating" or "critiquing" or "assessing." You guessed it: Ryan Tannehill!

 

Let me remind you this is off a game in which he was 10/27 82 yards and 7 sacks. No INTs, but no TDs either. A game in which the Dolphins needed in order to strengthen their playoff chances. A BIG game if you will.

 

So scrolling through the entire front page of their board there is not a single thread dedicated to Tannehill and his shortcomings. Neither on the 2nd or the 3rd--in fact I could not find any such threads. Not one single thread. And it was until the bottom of the second page IN A THREAD where I found any criticism of Tannehill at all. Not a thread...but a post within a thread entitled, Ryan Tanehill respects Tradition:

 

"Too bad he doesn't respect wide open receivers." Was the last post within the thread.

 

So here we have a fan base whose QB is FAR less accomplished at ANY level than our own QB, their team actually lost, their QB played horrible and they have not secured a playoff spot due a defeat by the Bills YET they still found a away to focus on what they considered the teams bigger issues.

 

And then we have the Carolina Panthers fan base (this goes to any fan base with a black QB) coming off a come from behind win which the QB had a rating of 82 and the game winning TD drive, in the rain, with an injury, without his best weapon (who is an undersized 34 year old to begin with) TO WIN A PLAYOFF SPOT against the team who is the class of the division:

 

We get: WHAT ELSE ARE WE FANS SUPPOSED TO DO BESIDES "TALKING" (NITPICKING) OUR "BEST PLAYER" (THE BLACK QUARTERBACK)?

 

Lord have mercy!

Great point/post! 

 

Cause, though I do defend the right for fans to start what ever thread they want. I will admit, I did feel like writing a brief responses to this one, stating, "So we have "fans" that write self help post on our QB, when he just engineered one of the greatest and most miraculous 4th/End of game marches in Panther history, and this year; ushering them into the playoffs, for only the 5th time in Panther history?

 

You would expect it more if the team had  a tough loss (though not necessarily any more justified). Yeah, save it for that one. 

 

I know how you feel. And I'm certainly not surprised by the Dolphin board (not criticizing Tannehil). 

 

Panther fans are weird, though they certainly have the right to express those [often times] weird feelings. 

 

SMH

[FootballMaestro]

This the exact same thing I found as well over a number of years over a number of different fan bases across the country.

 

Another little experiment that they can try: Say the Panthers (or the 49ers or the Redskins or the Seahawks or the Bills or Jets--it doesn't matter as long as the team has a permanent black starting QB) and the Dolphins are playing. Look at the opposing comments by the fan bases to the other teams QB.

 

In this example from earlier this year, the Panthers fan base was highly complimentary of Tannehill...calling him a good up and coming QB...a very capable starter in this league.

 

What did the Dolphins fans have to say about Newton? Well lets just say they were not in any shape or form of the opinion that Panther fan's had for Tannehill.

 

Now let's say the Panthers played the 49ers. You would think Panther's fans comments would heap even more superlatives than Tannehill given Kaepernick just lead his team to within 5 yards of a Superbowl ring...Nope. And of course the 49ers fan base thought less of Newton than they thought of Sam Bradford.

 

You will find this ALL over the NFL. 

 

Fans of the NFL GENERALLY care little for ANY black QB no matter who he plays for. You may find support for a black QB among his team's fan base BUT you will ALMOST certainly not find any outside of it.

 

HOWEVER, ask a MAJORITY of Panther's fan what they think of a Matt Stafford and you will find that they hold him in very high regards.

 

It's quite sad really.

Though I complimented you previous post; I think you're being highly subjective here, especially towards the end. 

 

1) I don't think many "Huddlers" hold a high opinion of Matthew Stafford

2) I would agree, that it appears many "fan boards", and especially comments sections, are usually highly critical of black QB's. However, you get more trolls on websites, especially comments sections as well. 

 

3) RG3 and Kaepernick, do have/had big times flaws. So I don't care what they did last year. You can celebrate them for their success (which most did, compared to Cam). However, both of those guys are highly flawed and suspect, though talented. 

 

4) Regarding Eric Allen earlier: I find that more people are quick to comment on Cam, than it seems anyone else. But some how, they seem to know the least about him, and his game. Go figure!! Do these guys actually watch Panther games?