Nice article on Gettleman

[Evengelion]

No I don't expect them to be solved in one offseason..... Which is why I am not giving DG the credit for solving it.

All DG did outside of Beason was Hurney-magicing Hunrey deals: Which Hurney would have had to do.

This next offseason DG will be tested.....he will show what he is....

That's where I stand also. This team could have easily been 10-4 last year also, absent some bad last minute coaching decisions. That Matt Ryan heave deep from his endzone and Rivera's lack of balls to go for it on 4th down are a couple of examples. Let's not give Gettleman all the credits now, this is still a Hurney squad.

[ajax4132]

This is the easiest team to coach and be a GM for because of Cam. Because of him you can do pretty much anything and everything on offense. Only QB in the league where you can have average WRs, RB play, OL and still put 30 on teams with ease. Against the Jets, a pretty good defense, I think we scored on 6 of 7 of our first  possessions the announcer stated. And all of that is credited to the GM and coaches but in reality it's because teams don't know how to play Cam. Do you waste a spy? do you blitz? can you play man coverage? You give Bilicheck those miss matches he'd probably win 5-6 superbowls. Billicheck would probably find 2 good TEs, a couple sure-handed possession slot receivers, beef up the OL, and dink&dunk his way down the field and play ball control power football. Bilicheck would probably go for it on every 4th&1, even on his side of the field.

 

On the money

[neverlosethefeeling]

No I don't expect them to be solved in one offseason..... Which is why I am not giving DG the credit for solving it.

All DG did outside of Beason was Hurney-magicing Hunrey deals: Which Hurney would have had to do.

This next offseason DG will be tested.....he will show what he is....

 

Look, I get why you want to give Hurney some credit for this team. In fact, he deserves some. No one would deny that the core of the team are guys that Hurney brought in with a specific vision in mind and we're now beginning to see the fruits of his labor, even though he's no longer here to enjoy them. But he's not here for a reason and that reason is not Ron Rivera. Teams get rid of head coaches much more often than they get rid of their GMs. Hurney is no longer employed here because he was a poor cap manager. And just because he was able to get us under the cap each year by the skin of his teeth is not "Hurney magic." That's Hurney tragic. Because true cap management is not as short-sighted as Hurney's management plan. You need to be able to account for things like re-signing your back-to-back ROTY winners, your standout DEs, and you plan for those things over the long term as opposed to waiting to deal with them as they come up and getting caught with your pants down. When Hurney left the team was in a cap crisis. Too many guys making too much money and we would never have been able to add the other pieces to make this team complete and competitive. So it's VERY unfair to say that all DG did was "Hurney magic Hurney deals" and that Hurney would have had to do that anyways. It's BECAUSE of Hurney that those problems were even there.

 

Furthermore, Gettleman has brought his own vision to the team, his own philosophy and FINALLY we're getting some of the things we've been asking for for a long time. Since Jenkins/Buckner this team has needed good defensive tackles to compliment and take pressure off the talented ends and it wasn't until this year that we've finally got a great rotation in the middle. And look at the dividends its paid for our defense and the whole team by extension. And yes, we do need to bring in some more offensive weapons including lineman (cause they can be weapons, too) but Rome wasn't built in a day and great teams that are built to last aren't constructed in one off-season.

 

My bottom line: Quit sipping your 40oz of the Hurndog and recognize that the strides we've made under Gettleman are in spite of the poor situation Hurney left us with not because of the great things he did here. Gettleman doesn't deserve the title of world's greatest GM but he deserves to be recognized for the progress we've made and being instrumental to that success. That you just seem completely incapable of giving Gettleman even a modicum of credit completely blows my mind.

[ajax4132]

This is the easiest team to coach and be a GM for because of Cam. Because of him you can do pretty much anything and everything on offense. Only QB in the league where you can have average WRs, RB play, OL and still put 30 on teams with ease. Against the Jets, a pretty good defense, I think we scored on 6 of 7 of our first  possessions the announcer stated. And all of that is credited to the GM and coaches but in reality it's because teams don't know how to play Cam. Do you waste a spy? do you blitz? can you play man coverage? You give Bilicheck those miss matches he'd probably win 5-6 superbowls. Billicheck would probably find 2 good TEs, a couple sure-handed possession slot receivers, beef up the OL, and dink&dunk his way down the field and play ball control power football. Bilicheck would probably go for it on every 4th&1, even on his side of the field.

 

Its why Cams ceiling is so high coupled with his progression as a passer. He is a top 10 qb in NFL who gives you top 5 overall value in the NFL

[Biakabutuka]

Not only has Gettlemen restructured a lot of player's contracts, he (and Rivera) were able to piece together this Secondary.  All things considered, he's done one hell of a job so far.

[FootballMaestro]

Well, we're only a playoff caliber squad because of Cam and his running ability, and he didn't draft him. In fact, there were talks that Cam might not be his type of QB. Let the man earn his accolade. This is still mostly a Hurney team absent 2-3 starters. Nobody really know what his image of this team is. For all we know he could decide to go full retard and draft 7 defensive players in hope of building the perfect defense with no offense to complement it.

 

Please don't spread rumors. 

 

He only communicated, he didn't want Cam running as much (taking unnecessary hits, with too many called runs), as we, various experts and the coaching staff all agreed. 

 

Cam can run (especially when the play breaks down). He just shouldn't run too much short yardage, or Read Option, where he's exposed to extra hits. 

 

By the way: Gettleman, compared Cam to Eli Manning, which is/was an apt description in many facets' though not all, of course. So I don't feel Cam, 'wasn't his type of QB', based on those comments. 

 

I did like your earlier comments [though], on how easy it must be for a GM, and Gettleman to be at the helm with Cam, as he can make a mediocre line and Wideouts appear credible, and sometimes very good. You described the challenges, the opposition must face on defense (and what a Panther head coach can do with him) very well, in addition. 

[ajax4132]

Please don't spread rumors. 

 

He only communicated, he didn't want Cam running as much (taking unnecessary hits, with too many called runs), as we, various experts and the coaching staff all agreed. 

 

Cam can run (especially when the play breaks down). He just shouldn't run too much short yardage, or Read Option, where he's exposed to extra hits. 

 

By the way: Gettleman, compared Cam to Eli Manning, which is/was an apt description in many facets' though not all, of course. So I don't feel Cam, 'wasn't his type of QB', based on those comments. 

 

I did like your earlier comments [though], on how easy it must be for a GM, and Gettleman to be at the helm with Cam, as he can make a mediocre line and Wideouts appear credible, and sometimes very good. You described the challenges, the opposition must face on defense (and what a Panther head coach can do with him) very well. 

 

I agree with everything you just said except the eli comparison, Cam doesn't toss a lot of picks.

 

Cam reminds be a more athletic Big Ben

[B.BERSIN]

Can he work here for 20 years?

[ajax4132]

A lot of jackasses commenting on this article

 

www.derp/2013/10/11/4828060/what-if-carolina-panthers-dave-gettleman-trade-cam-newton

[ajax4132]

Seriously so many dumbass fans talking about trading Cam, and for what???? 

 

Dumbass mugga fuggas

[Ken]

Look, I get why you want to give Hurney some credit for this team. In fact, he deserves some. No one would deny that the core of the team are guys that Hurney brought in with a specific vision in mind and we're now beginning to see the fruits of his labor, even though he's no longer here to enjoy them. But he's not here for a reason and that reason is not Ron Rivera. Teams get rid of head coaches much more often than they get rid of their GMs. Hurney is no longer employed here because he was a poor cap manager. And just because he was able to get us under the cap each year by the skin of his teeth is not "Hurney magic." That's Hurney tragic. Because true cap management is not as short-sighted as Hurney's management plan. You need to be able to account for things like re-signing your back-to-back ROTY winners, your standout DEs, and you plan for those things over the long term as opposed to waiting to deal with them as they come up and getting caught with your pants down. When Hurney left the team was in a cap crisis. Too many guys making too much money and we would never have been able to add the other pieces to make this team complete and competitive. So it's VERY unfair to say that all DG did was "Hurney magic Hurney deals" and that Hurney would have had to do that anyways. It's BECAUSE of Hurney that those problems were even there.

Furthermore, Gettleman has brought his own vision to the team, his own philosophy and FINALLY we're getting some of the things we've been asking for for a long time. Since Jenkins/Buckner this team has needed good defensive tackles to compliment and take pressure off the talented ends and it wasn't until this year that we've finally got a great rotation in the middle. And look at the dividends its paid for our defense and the whole team by extension. And yes, we do need to bring in some more offensive weapons including lineman (cause they can be weapons, too) but Rome wasn't built in a day and great teams that are built to last aren't constructed in one off-season.

My bottom line: Quit sipping your 40oz of the Hurndog and recognize that the strides we've made under Gettleman are in spite of the poor situation Hurney left us with not because of the great things he did here. Gettleman doesn't deserve the title of world's greatest GM but he deserves to be recognized for the progress we've made and being instrumental to that success. That you just seem completely incapable of giving Gettleman even a modicum of credit completely blows my mind.

Great post. Would pie again.

[mav1234]

The thing is, Hurney was one of the main reasons this team has one of the most talented front sevens in the league, as well as one of the reasons we have Cam.  But along with that, he's also one of the reason we have obscene sums of money locked up into running backs, why we're in cap hell, and why we went so long without a winning season.

 

I'm fine with giving Hurney props - he sure knew how to pick in the first round - but his cap management and wheeling and dealing left this team reeling for years...

[Mr. Scot]

Look at how the comically absurd number of games we were winning.....yet lost in 2011 and 2012.

An aggressive Ron with that offense.....easily wouldn't of had 2 losing seasons. He played it back the book in tons of games putting it on a weakness to finish out games.

Old Ron was in just about every single game.....Riverboat wouldn't of played it safe putting a weak D in so many bad spots.

If he still had a Hurney-built roster, it wouldn't matter.

Do you really think the man who responded "I don't know" when Jerry Richardson asked him how he was going to fix things could have gotten us where we are now?

[Mr. Scot]

Look, I get why you want to give Hurney some credit for this team. In fact, he deserves some. No one would deny that the core of the team are guys that Hurney brought in with a specific vision in mind and we're now beginning to see the fruits of his labor, even though he's no longer here to enjoy them. But he's not here for a reason and that reason is not Ron Rivera. Teams get rid of head coaches much more often than they get rid of their GMs. Hurney is no longer employed here because he was a poor cap manager. And just because he was able to get us under the cap each year by the skin of his teeth is not "Hurney magic." That's Hurney tragic. Because true cap management is not as short-sighted as Hurney's management plan. You need to be able to account for things like re-signing your back-to-back ROTY winners, your standout DEs, and you plan for those things over the long term as opposed to waiting to deal with them as they come up and getting caught with your pants down. When Hurney left the team was in a cap crisis. Too many guys making too much money and we would never have been able to add the other pieces to make this team complete and competitive. So it's VERY unfair to say that all DG did was "Hurney magic Hurney deals" and that Hurney would have had to do that anyways. It's BECAUSE of Hurney that those problems were even there.

Furthermore, Gettleman has brought his own vision to the team, his own philosophy and FINALLY we're getting some of the things we've been asking for for a long time. Since Jenkins/Buckner this team has needed good defensive tackles to compliment and take pressure off the talented ends and it wasn't until this year that we've finally got a great rotation in the middle. And look at the dividends its paid for our defense and the whole team by extension. And yes, we do need to bring in some more offensive weapons including lineman (cause they can be weapons, too) but Rome wasn't built in a day and great teams that are built to last aren't constructed in one off-season.

My bottom line: Quit sipping your 40oz of the Hurndog and recognize that the strides we've made under Gettleman are in spite of the poor situation Hurney left us with not because of the great things he did here. Gettleman doesn't deserve the title of world's greatest GM but he deserves to be recognized for the progress we've made and being instrumental to that success. That you just seem completely incapable of giving Gettleman even a modicum of credit completely blows my mind.

Well said.