For the fans who wants to keep "winning", are you guys:

[carpanfan96]

For all you guys saying the Bobcats should lose so they can get a great player in the draft guess what:  they have been losing.  Forever.  They have lost games, players, fans everything.  And if they keep losing by the time they get whatever great player you guys think we are getting no one will be coming to the games for this team to make any money.  And the Charlotte Bobcats will be the Arkon Bobcats or Richmond or whatever city wants another NBA team.  Because without people buying tickets, they won't be here.  There is no guarantee that any of the player coming out of this draft will be great players.  But if the Bobcats, or Hornets by that time don't start selling tickets and making money, I can guarantee they won't be here anymore. 

 

 

 

Chicken or the Egg comment, because the team isn't really that talented and needs a superstar to win consistently otherwise your struggling to get consistent scoring and 10 million isn't going to go a long way to solve the scoring problem this team has. Even this year they are a few games below .500 but are in the playoff hunt because of how weak the east is.

 

They've also not lost or gained a ton of fans if you compare the attendance numbers from season to season. 

 

 

What the cats are doing right now isn't winning, they have a loosing record which means they have a sub par product on the floor that needs improving. What's going on isn't winning and the team playing decent compared to previous seasons isn't putting buts in the seats because they aren't the hornets yet. lol No one cares right now. Just this past offseason, they sold a ton of season tickets deals for both this and next year and yet the arena still looks empty most nights. On top of that they are close to the bottom in league attendance at home. So winning clearly isn't helping. Do you know why? The reason is because of Charlotte's captivation with the Hornets nickname. Tons of people bought tickets for this season and next, but aren't showing up this season at all..... Why because the jersey doesn't say Hornets....because the colors aren't the god awful combination of purple and teal.

 

Why are the attendance numbers down from the last few seasons when the team made improvements to the roster and is winning? Why were more people showing up to the 7 win team's games then they are for the 12-14 team now? 

 

The economy wasn't better, it was worse then and people still made it to more games on a regular basis......  Obviously most of Charlotte doesn't care either way, it's obvious that winning and getting that name change announced weren't enough to spur the Hornets movement to come out and attend the actual games before the jersey's changed.

 

The reason is because most of the people that are going to be there next year aren't bobcat fans, they are Hornet fans that have no interest what so ever with what happens this season to the Bobcats. They don't care about the Bobcats because of Nicknames or color schemes or what have you. 

 

 

Just to show I wasn't talking out of my ass, here are the attendance numbers the last few seasons. Notice how this is the worst season attendance wise for the Bobcats in quite a long time if ever.... 

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance

 

25th in the league even with all the hype of the name change and them winning more this year then they have in a while.

 

 

 

Now look at 2011 and 2012 before the name change was announced.

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2011

http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2012

http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2013

 

 

Now that I've proven that winning isn't going to help this team until it turns into the Hornets, we can all agree that loosing doesn't hurt the team's money numbers, because people don't care.  We've proven that the people behind the name change effort even after getting what they wanted don't care enough to attend the games to help the team they'll be watching next year. So what's one more loosing season while the majority of Charlotte turns their cheek to the Bobcats before the name change if it helps the team immensely with their rebuild after becoming the Hornets..... What's one more loosing season if it means the Hornets have a young exciting nucleus that has a good chance of actually winning mean???? 

 

Great, glad we've gotten past that. The key to this teams future is getting all three picks in this draft and making the correct picks. Point blank simple. 

 

 

Anything else about the team needing to loose this season?

[teeray]

There doesn't appear to be a Lebron or Durant level player in this draft.

Wiggins has a ways to go. Not sure about Randle as a pro player (what position is he in the NBA?).

The closest guy ready to contribute in the NBA is Parker who can't really defend (all freshmen and eventually rookies are that way though)

So no one in this draft is going to save us. By the time they are ready they will be leaving via free agency after their rookie deals.

[teeray]

Teams that tank are usually perennial cellar dwellers.

[carpanfan96]

There doesn't appear to be a Lebron or Durant level player in this draft.

Wiggins has a ways to go. Not sure about Randle as a pro player (what position is he in the NBA?).

The closest guy ready to contribute in the NBA is Parker who can't really defend (all freshmen and eventually rookies are that way though)

So no one in this draft is going to save us. By the time they are ready they will be leaving via free agency after their rookie deals.

 

Wiggins is athletic enough to make a mark on an offensively challenged team, there's about 5-6 guys that would be able to come in and improve the Bobcats/Hornets. The team could use upgrades virtually everywhere. They could use a long term upgrade at C, An upgrade at PF, SG and the team needs depth everywhere. Wiggins and Parker would be an upgrade offensively big time over MKG, but both could either come off the bench of play big at the 2 to get plenty of minutes and provide the team with plenty of scoring ability.

Gordon would be an upgrade at PF over both Zeller and McRoberts, even as a rookie.

Exum, and Smart would be able to come off the bench behind either Kemba or Henderson and provide a big scoring punch from off the bench. 

Embiid would be a nice long term prospect at center that could come off the bench and be a constant in the low post till Jefferson leaves in three years.

 

That's not counting the much needed quality depth the team could get with the other two picks.

[teeray]

What recent NBA champion tanked for draft picks to get there?

[carpanfan96]

What recent NBA champion tanked for draft picks to get there?

 

Spurs for Tim Ducan would probably be the last. 

[cavic7585]

Spurs for Tim Ducan would probably be the last. 

I dont think they tanked or if that was the objective. If I remember correctly, David Robinson got hurt that year and the Spurs had built their team around him. They just kinda lucked up with Tim Duncan. I think there is a difference between hitting the reset and your team just sucking.

 

 

[Carl Spackler]

What recent NBA champion tanked for draft picks to get there?

Yeah. The Spurs! Who sucked due to injuries in 1996-97, then lucked out with Duncan.

But they tanked to get Tony Parker. What's that you say? He was taken with a late draft pick? What could this mean? Perhaps...tanking doesn't solve problems after all? I mean the Wizards got John Wall and they won a ring, so maybe I'm wrong. Wait they didn't? Well the Cavs did with Kyrie, right? No? Well damn!

[carpanfan96]

Yeah. The Spurs! Who sucked due to injuries in 1996-97, then lucked out with Duncan.

But they tanked to get Tony Parker. What's that you say? He was taken with a late draft pick? What could this mean? Perhaps...tanking doesn't solve problems after all? I mean the Wizards got John Wall and they won a ring, so maybe I'm wrong. Wait they didn't? Well the Cavs did with Kyrie, right? No? Well damn!

 

 

No the Spurs didn't tank for Parker, but some of their injuries were questionable and Duncan wasn't lucky. He was a very hyped product coming into that draft. As for the Spurs tanking, most of the injuries they had were back spasms or tendinitis. They usually keep a player out from a week to three weeks, but Persons sat out the whole season. Elliot played in 39 games and missed the second half of the season. Robinson missed the first 18 games with Back Spams before he played in a 6 game stretch that saw his foot get broken with other players still sitting out with issues that some players play through or sit out a couple games at max...That whole situation seems fishy from top to bottom. 

 

 

Then you have Hakeem going to the Rockets because of them tanking in 83-84. 

 

2002 Cavs getting rid of every single vet that had value and purposely playing a horrible team....

 

2007 Sonics that traded away every major piece they had right after picking up Durant in lopsided trades going against them... This turned into Westbrook....

 

 

That's four teams that have tanked to get players that have either led to titles or getting to the finals. Combined you have 6 championships and a few more final appearances. 

 

This isn't counting other teams that have tanked that led to the team getting good players that turned the team around, but didn't equal a finals appearance or championship. 

[Carl Spackler]

No the Spurs didn't tank for Parker, but some of their injuries were questionable and Duncan wasn't lucky. He was a very hyped product coming into that draft. As for the Spurs tanking, most of the injuries they had were back spasms or tendinitis. They usually keep a player out from a week to three weeks, but Persons sat out the whole season. Elliot played in 39 games and missed the second half of the season. Robinson missed the first 18 games with Back Spams before he played in a 6 game stretch that saw his foot get broken with other players still sitting out with issues that some players play through or sit out a couple games at max...That whole situation seems fishy from top to bottom. 

 

 

Then you have Hakeem going to the Rockets because of them tanking in 83-84. 

 

2002 Cavs getting rid of every single vet that had value and purposely playing a horrible team....

 

2007 Sonics that traded away every major piece they had right after picking up Durant in lopsided trades going against them... This turned into Westbrook....

 

 

That's four teams that have tanked to get players that have either led to titles or getting to the finals. Combined you have 6 championships and a few more final appearances. 

 

This isn't counting other teams that have tanked that led to the team getting good players that turned the team around, but didn't equal a finals appearance or championship. 

 

I have a hard time including Olajuwon in your tanking argument, because that was before there was an NBA Draft Lottery, so you really could just play as poorly as possible and be guaranteed to get the player you wanted. Not the case now.

[teeray]

So basically the Rockets of 30 years ago before the lottery was the last team to tank and win an NBA championship.

No way a team with David Robinson, Dominique Wilkins (even if he was old), Sean Elliot, and Avery Johnson were "tanking". The Spurs were decimated by injuries.

The Cavs are right back to being terrible again, and OKC. hasn't won anything.

Not to mention there doesn't appear to be a Lebron or Durant level talent. Parker maybe but he seems more like a Melo to me.

Yeah, count me out.

[teeray]

When you tank you have a terrible roster. You get that one good player but everyone around them is terrible. By the time you build up the roster, their rookie contract is over and they are headed to LA or NY and you are right back to being terrible again.

The teams that stink, usually continue to stink. There are franchises that have been tanking for years and it never seems to work out for them. Maybe they will get there one of these decades.

I would rather get there through trades and FA with a solid core through the draft. That is how good franchises seem to do it.

[Jakob]

When you tank you have a terrible roster. You get that one good player but everyone around them is terrible. By the time you build up the roster, their rookie contract is over and they are headed to LA or NY and you are right back to being terrible again.

The teams that stink, usually continue to stink. There are franchises that have been tanking for years and it never seems to work out for them. Maybe they will get there one of these decades.

I would rather get there through trades and FA with a solid core through the draft. That is how good franchises seem to do it.

Nahhh the only way is to draft a star. You can't just buy a team to win a championship.

Oh wait that's what the Heat did.

[Zaximus]

Yeah you tank if there is a deal put in place to get the player you want.  Cavs got their Ohio boy for a great story.  Completely coincidence?   Lebron leaves Cleveland and they get more awesome picks?