I'll say it again.....Keenan Allen

[AceBoogie]

Wait Gettleman and Rivera were arguing the Star pick and yet the Panthers locked their pick in about 3.5 seconds? You would think they would have taken a little more time to discuss it if there was some sort of disagreement on the pick...

AceBoogie's arguments are based on so many hypotheticals...why would you assume Gettleman skipped on Allen because he was happy with Edwards and Gettis? That is a stupid thought...the fact that we as an organization went above and beyond in scouting Allen shows that we weren't happy with our receiver situation.

And the fact we didn't take him says what? It says we valued DT as a bigger need. Even after drafting Star. I could argue It is the reason we struggle to score points at time. Instead of balancing the team we went heavy to one side of the ball. You guys that scream we are 9-4 shows how ass this team has been over the years. 

[beastson]

I'm sitting here thinking the exact same thing. 9-4!!! I'm trying to figure out do we get a trophy for being 9-4 lol

 

When you draft twice of the same position especially with no 3rd you're ignoring other weaknesses on the team

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

you guys won't be laughing when we exclusively draft defensive lineman with all of our picks next april

 

you'll wish you had listened to aceboogie then!

[Gabeking]

Wait Gettleman and Rivera were arguing the Star pick and yet the Panthers locked their pick in about 3.5 seconds? You would think they would have taken a little more time to discuss it if there was some sort of disagreement on the pick...

AceBoogie's arguments are based on so many hypotheticals...why would you assume Gettleman skipped on Allen because he was happy with Edwards and Gettis? That is a stupid thought...the fact that we as an organization went above and beyond in scouting Allen shows that we weren't happy with our receiver situation.

Just because they made the pick quickly doesn't mean there wasnt any disagreement. Do you think coaches and GMs only start scouting once they're on the clock? It was reported awhile back that gettleman was edging on Eifert but Rivera wanted star, but they were high on both.

[SmootsDaddy89]

Be mad at Hurney for trading our third for a dude who didn't pan out. For the record, that's 0/4 for trading future picks for those of you keeping score at home.

[Ken]

And the fact we didn't take him says what? It says we valued DT as a bigger need. Even after drafting Star. I could argue It is the reason we struggle to score points at time. Instead of balancing the team we went heavy to one side of the ball. You guys that scream we are 9-4 shows how ass this team has been over the years. 

  

 

DT was the biggest need on the team, by a good deal. Gettleman saw the chance to secure the DT position for years to come with a Star and KK combo and pulled the trigger. It's already paying off.

 

Also, Hurney has had years to fix not only the DT but CB and WR position and didn't. Gettleman has already done a great job in 1 offseason. To think he doesn't see the holes in the WR spot is, well stupid.

[run1stdownrun2nddown]

If it makes anybody feel better, just know that if we had drafted Keenan instead of Kawaan, there would be some other poster making a post right about now on how we 'still haven't shored up the d-line.' (And of course they would be basing it on whatever 2nd/3rd round d-lineman had panned out at that time)

 

If anything, we should be thanking AceBoogie for being "that guy," I mean somebody has to do it, afterall.

[Cpt slay a ho]

I like Allen and want to snag him in the 2nd, but i'm not mad about the KK pick either...........plus the draft will be packed with wr talent, address the OT position and let cam....let it rip.

[frash.exe]

Big guys and touchdown scores. Those were the two things Gettleman said this team lacked. We've gotten some of the big guys we need, rest assured this offseason we will get our touchdown scorers. Oh and given a third round pick Gettleman would've probably gone for Allen.

[MasterAwesome]

Just because they made the pick quickly doesn't mean there wasnt any disagreement. Do you think coaches and GMs only start scouting once they're on the clock? It was reported awhile back that gettleman was edging on Eifert but Rivera wanted star, but they were high on both.

So by your logic, the entire 1st round or at least roughly the first 10-15 picks should be locked in within 20 seconds every time if people already know 100% who they're gonna pick. But no, in reality teams are still waiting til 1-2 minutes on the clock for the most part when they're locking their picks in. It doesn't matter if you think you know who you're gonna get going into the draft...teams are constantly discussing and evaluating each pick up until it's locked in.

Gettleman has the ultimate say anyways, if he was really set on drafting Eifert why would he have given in to a coach he has no ties to who was essentially already on the "hot seat" going into the season? It's his first draft of his first GM position...he is trying to make a good first impression and yet he ignores his gut and goes with his coach's choice? That doesn't make sense unless you consider Gettleman a pushover, which he doesn't strike me as.

[MasterAwesome]

And the fact we didn't take him says what? It says we valued DT as a bigger need. Even after drafting Star. I could argue It is the reason we struggle to score points at time. Instead of balancing the team we went heavy to one side of the ball. You guys that scream we are 9-4 shows how ass this team has been over the years.

So in your mind, evaluating DT as a bigger need = being comfortable with Armanti and Gettis at WR? You don't understand the concept of having multiple holes or what? We had 5 freaking draft picks, we couldn't fix everything in one draft.

You claim that Gettleman was content with our WR situation based off of him not using our 1st nor 2nd round pick on what he deemed to be a bigger position of need. Yet his actions seem to contradict that notion...yet again I ask, if he was comfortable with our WR situation, then why would he even bother wasting resources and time to scout Keenan Allen so much? The fact that he ended up drafting Short is irrelevant...unless you believe in elaborate "smokescreens" leading up to the draft. Why would he have signed Hixon in the offseason? Hixon was about the best receiver we could have realistically gotten with our budget at the time. Yeah he isn't contributing anything right now, but most people were excited about the signing because he has played well in the past.

This upcoming draft, if Gettleman drafts a WR round 1 and O-Line round 2, are you going to assume he's comfortable with our CB situation? If he drafts a CB round 1 and a WR round 2, then is he comfortable with our o-line? I don't understand why this is such a hard concept for you...multiple holes cannot be fixed in one draft with 5 draft picks.

Gettleman has also publicly stated his philosophy of going BPA in the draft. Star was a no-brainer BPA at 14...your beloved Hopkins would have been a reach at 14. Short had a 1st-round grade by many people and was sitting there at our pick in round 2, so again he went BPA that happened to be a position of need. Looking at Allen now, you can say he would have been a good pick there, but at the time that would have arguably been a reach as well. He was coming off an injury and a poor pro day....that drops your draft stock drastically.

It's funny how you did the exact same thing with Hopkins when he had his 1 or 2 big games earlier in the season. Then we didn't hear anything out of you as Hopkins quieted down, and now you're on the Allen train. Can you do us a favor and start a Cordarelle Patterson thread next? You must have overlooked his 150-yard 1 TD performance last week....SUPERSTAR!!!

[DaveThePanther2008]

I'll tell ya what. Why don't we just start a support group (thread), where anytime someone feels like venting about missed possibilities at WR, we can go to that thread and commiserate to our hearts content on what could have been?  We can nominate some poor slob crying about spilled milk moderate it. I could have been that moderator a few weeks ago, but now I'm just ready to move on.

 

Perfectly said. 

 

Well let's see.  Without KK we probably don't cut Fua and he is still in the game.  Edwards goes down and our winning streak stops at 3 or 4.  We lose probably two or three of those games we won and we are 7-6 instead of 9-4 and we are just another team in the mix.

 

We had 5 picks and I would not part with any of the defensives ones.  Just think about this for a second.  In a couple years.  Short and Star are going to know what each other are thinking before it plays out.  Klien and Kuechly will be defined as the best duo LBs in the game.

 

Let the WR issue go.  We all know it has to be addressed and not a freaking thing we can do about having only 5 picks last year.  DEAD HORSE. 

[Gabeking]

So by your logic, the entire 1st round or at least roughly the first 10-15 picks should be locked in within 20 seconds every time if people already know 100% who they're gonna pick. But no, in reality teams are still waiting til 1-2 minutes on the clock for the most part when they're locking their picks in. It doesn't matter if you think you know who you're gonna get going into the draft...teams are constantly discussing and evaluating each pick up until it's locked in.

Gettleman has the ultimate say anyways, if he was really set on drafting Eifert why would he have given in to a coach he has no ties to who was essentially already on the "hot seat" going into the season? It's his first draft of his first GM position...he is trying to make a good first impression and yet he ignores his gut and goes with his coach's choice? That doesn't make sense unless you consider Gettleman a pushover, which he doesn't strike me as.

Cuuuzzz maybe they discussed it earlier? Crazy logic right? Also I may have heard something secondhandedly about that but you believe what you want.

[MasterAwesome]

Cuuuzzz maybe they discussed it earlier? Crazy logic right? Also I may have heard something secondhandedly about that but you believe what you want.

 

Oh well excuse me...if you may have heard something secondhandedly about that then I guess it's fact.  I might have actually heard something on the contrary from carolina-chuck's stepdad (he watched a couple Panthers games during the 2006 season so you know he's legit).  If you're gonna argue a point at least have a little conviction, no matter how stupid it is.

 

Do you actually engage in discussion on here or are you one of those morons who makes an outlandish statement and simply repeats it until the other guy gets bored of you?  How about you address something...ANYTHING...that I just asked you?  I have no idea what your silly response is even regarding...are you still addressing something I said 2 posts ago?

 

We must have been the only team in the league to discuss who we were going to pick prior to the draft since we made our choice almost instantaneously while most everyone else waited til 1-2 minutes were left on the clock to submit their pick.  Sounds plausible!!  I bet Gettleman foresaw Lotulelei's colossal slide in the draft when you may have heard secondhandedly that he wanted to pick Eifert at 14.  Which is funny, cause you would think a simple Google search of Gettleman + Eifert would pull something up about him wanting Eifert to be the pick at 14.  But no, you only get mentions of Gettleman "considering" Eifert at 14 before the draft occurred since Eifert being on the board for our pick was probable at the time.  I bet Gettleman wouldn't have even considered picking Joeckel at 14 if he dropped, since I don't see any mention anywhere of him considering Joeckel!!  We all know Star was easily a top-3 talent and it was a shock he dropped as far as he did in the draft, so when pick 14 came up and he was available, it was a no-brainer.  No matter what was discussed prior to the draft, teams are constantly adjusting and re-evaluating their board after every draft pick is announced.  I don't know how you think the draft works, but the Panthers' organization doesn't sit in a board room with a single index card with the name "Tyler Eifert" written on it and just sit and pray that he doesn't get taken.  Unless of course your imaginary source may have told you that secondhandedly, in which case I apologize.

 

Again, WHY would a fresh first-time GM looking to make a good first impression ignore his own beliefs in his very first draft to go with his coach's pick?  Not an established successful coach mind you, but a coach on the "hot seat" with very minimal success thus far.