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Here is why we should absolutely root for the Seahawks tonight

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By Sam Mills Fan,
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Let's go through this.

 

SEAHAWKS WIN PROS:

- Moves us one step closer to winning the division which would give us a bye and a home game.

- It gives everyone a warm feeling in the loins when the Saints lose.

 

SEAHAWKS WIN CONS:

- Makes the chances of us winning homefield advantage throughout the playoffs even more remote.

- Might make the Saints more likely to win against us the following week (pissed off with something to prove, hard to imagine the Saints losing twice in a row)

 

Here is why those "cons" are bogus and if you think you're being smart by rooting for the Saints tonight, you're wrong.

 

1.) Homefield advantage is already gone. Counting tonight, the Seahawks have 5 games left:

 

NEW ORLEANS

@ San Francisco

@ NY Giants

ARIZONA

ST. LOUIS

 

The Seahawks have a 2 game lead on us right now plus the tiebreaker. That means we would have to win out and the Seahawks would have to go 0-5, 1-4, or 2-3 in these last 5 for us to gain homefield. The odds of that happening are extremely tiny, not much better than us hoping they go 0-4 or 1-3 after this week. No one knew it at the time, but DeAngelo fumbling in Week 1 cost us a chance at homefield advantage. Instead of being down by basically 3, we'd be a half game up (We would be 10-2 and the Seahawks 9-2) and we would own the tiebreaker.

 

2.) If you believe the Panthers are truly a Super Bowl team and are worthy of this 8 game winning streak, then you should have no fear about another team's mentality when they play us. Beating the Saints on the road next week is already going to be a difficult task going off stats: Drew Brees has never lost in the Superdome on Sunday Night Football. He's undefeated. We're already facing something that's supposed to be impossible. If the Saints lose tonight, Riverboat and the coaching staff can see what Seattle did successfully and see what kinds of wrinkles they can put into their own gameplan on Sunday night. Lesser teams are the ones that worry about another team's "mentality". If we're good enough to beat the Saints, then we're good enough to beat the Saints.

 

And I think we will.

I feel the same way about the fumble but then I thought you cant blame a loss on a single play. we are a much different team now and NOBODY scares me. We can beat ANYONE and trust me nobody will blow us away. Riverboat as always will but us in a situation to win the game. This team has turned the corner and the ball seems to be bouncing our way

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I want a smashmouth game tonight with the Saints limping for next sunday night. God I cant wait til next weekend. My boy from WILMINGTON Lamar Russ fights Macklin on HBO saturday night and then sunday night. I wanna take a 4 day sleeping pill and wake up saturday night at 9pm

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I want to get that by week in the playoff for the players.........they need rest and get one game at home to start things out on the right foot with the playoffs.

The more issues the Saints have all the better for that to happen...............so Seahawks winning a hard fought physical game will be a real plus for us.

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This game actually doesn't matter to us much at all.  I'll be rooting for the Seahawks, because they've always been my 2nd favorite team and fug the Saints, but if you look at the numbers, it doesn't really matter unless the Saints lose to the Rams too.

 

To explain, I'll list all the scenarios that could play out after the Saints lose to the Seahawks:

 

Scenario 1:  Saints win out -  obviously they'd clinch the division by beating us twice.

 

Scenario 2:  Saints split with us but win other games - The Saints still claim the division.  Assuming we win out too other than the split, we'd both be 12-4 overall and 5-1 in the division.  The next tiebreaker is conference record, which the Saints would be 10-2, while we would be 9-3.  

 

Scenario 3:  Saints lose to us twice but win other games - We would claim the division.  We don't really need the Saints loss for this scenario.  Though it would grant a little bit of additional cushion.  It would allow us the possibility of going 0-2 in our non-Saints games.

 

Scenario 4:  Saints split with us and lose to Tampa Bay - We win the division on the back of division record. Even if the Saints hadn't lost to Seattle.  Only way the Saints loss helps in this scenario is it allows us to lose to the Jets.

 

Senario 5:  Saints split with us and lose to St. Louis -  This is the only scenario in which a loss to Seattle helps.  In this scenario, if we won out our other games, we'd obviously win the division based on overall record.  But this scenario also grants us the ability to lose to the Jets and still win the division, as conference records would be tied, so the tiebreaker would move on to strength of victory, which we would likely win on the backs of our many blowouts.

 

 

So as you can see, there are 3 scenarios in which a Saints loss to Seattle could realistically help us out.  But they require the Saints to lose additional games or for us to beat them twice.  And even then, they're really just adding cushion.  

 

But whatever, GO SEAHAWKS anyways!

 

Your scenario 2 is wrong. The tie-breaker that would be used would be the Common Games record then it will be the conference record.

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If the Saint's lose to the Seahawks on Monday night, their NFC Conference Record will drop to 7-1. There common games record would 4-3. As of today, the Panthers record in common games is 4-3.

 

Now fast forward to Sunday night. Both teams are at 9-3. Both teams have the same record in common games at 4-3. The Saints are still in first place in the division because they have a better conference record. With a Panthers win, Saints will drop to 9-4, their division record will be 3-1 and their conference record will be 7-2 while the Panthers record will be 10-3, their division record will be 4-0, and their conference record will be 8-2.

 

The Panthers will be first in the division in the above scenario because they have the better overall record.

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Now if the Saints manage to win against the Hawks, their common games record would be 5-2, their conference record would be 8-0, and their overall record will be 10-2.

 

Entering Sunday night, the Saints overall record would be 10-2 and the Panthers record would be 9-3. If the Panthers win, the Saints overall record will be 10-3 and the Panthers record will be 10-3. The Saints conference record would be 8-1 and their division record would be 3-1 while the Panthers conference record would be 8-2 and their division record would be 4-0.

 

According to Tie-Breaking procedures, we will win the tie-breaker against the Saints because of the head-to-head win percentage and will be first in the division.

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**** Tie-Breaking Procedures can be found here: http://sports.espn.g...age=tiebreakers

**** I didn't know whether to count division opponents as common games as well. I searched on Google and couldn't find an answer so I kept the division games out of the common games record.

**** The Saints and Panthers common games are the NFC West and the AFC East.

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tl;dr version: If the Panthers win on Sunday  Night, the Panthers will be first in the division regardless if the Saints win or lose on Monday Night.

 

I posted this in another thread this morning.

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So has anyone figured out who PANTHERs should pull for or is it just out of spite? It seems like either way its trouble for us.. Its a long stretch to say lets go hawks and that we will swipe the Saints. Then playing the hawks at their place seems very very bad for us as well... 

 

 

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