Best damn Essay on Jake Delhomme this Offseason!

[CanadianCat]

good read

[CRA]

My point was regardless of which game it is, any time someone points out what he did wrong it is assumed that all of the blame is being put on him.

b/c generally that is what is being implied. I mean, no one for the most part makes lists of games we lost and what a specific player did wrong in each of those losses........except for Jake.

[CarolinaSock]

And then when you take into account that Delhomme doesn't play as many games as baseball pitchers in a season and that out of a whole lot of starting QBs his 414 attempts were among the least and that 25 pass attempts per game=/=60-100+ pitches per baseball game...

QFT

The strain on a major league pitchers elbow is on a whole other level compared to a quarterback. A pitcher throws as hard as he can 80-90% of the time off of an incline 100+ times 30+ times a year. A QB rarely gives it all he has on a throw and only makes 20-30 throws a game. Also, throwing a baseball, especially breaking pitches puts a ton of strain on the elbow that throwing a football just doesn't produce. It's really not much of a comparison when you look at what a pitcher has to prepare his arm for opposed to a quarterback.

[Panther_gal]

The writer reminds me of someone... Well thought out and extremely informative. Great read about a awesome guy!

[panthers55]

And then when you take into account that Delhomme doesn't play as many games as baseball pitchers in a season and that out of a whole lot of starting QBs his 414 attempts were among the least and that 25 pass attempts per game=/=60-100+ pitches per baseball game...

How many pitchers throw every day in practice all week and have 350 lb guys smashing their arm and trying to kill them on game day everytime they attempt to throw the ball. How many pitchers throw the baseball 40 - 50 yards instead of 60 feet. Plus a footbal weights a ton more than a baseball which could be better or worse.

They aren't comparable as they are completely different. Lets see how Carson Palmer does this year as he had the same surgery. Until then Jake is the first and only quarterback to come back from this surgery and play decently in professional football.

[KillerKat]

b/c generally that is what is being implied. I mean, no one for the most part makes lists of games we lost and what a specific player did wrong in each of those losses........except for Jake.

Cause whenever he plays bad there's always an excuse for him. When we play bad everyone gets called out, but when he does it's always someone else's fault or this went bad or that went bad. Even when he f*cks up tremendously people say "he wasn't the only reason, it was this blah blah blah". Just because he's getting called out doesn't mean all the blame is being put on him! After the Raiders game there was a Jake Appreciation thread. C'mon now!

As far as the playoff game, yes the defense wasn't good and Jake was at his worst. But just because Jake is being called out for that doesn't mean what the defense did is being ignored! It's just that his fault in that game was bigger than any one else's.

What also irks me is when people say it was just 1 game why people don't like Delhomme. One game? How about the Raiders or both Bucs games or the Vikings game? So you see why we remember all the faults of Jake? It's because we have to defend our opinion every single time we mention him because he's untouchable and free of any faults in many fan's eyes on this board.

[CarolinaSock]

How many pitchers throw every day in practice all week and have 350 lb guys smashing their arm and trying to kill them on game day everytime they attempt to throw the ball. How many pitchers throw the baseball 40 - 50 yards instead of 60 feet. Plus a footbal weights a ton more than a baseball which could be better or worse.

They aren't comparable as they are completely different. Lets see how Carson Palmer does this year as he had the same surgery. Until then Jake is the first and only quarterback to come back from this surgery and play decently in professional football.

Most pitchers long toss (more like 50-60 yards) and throw bullpens in between starts. Also, weight has very little to do with the stress on an arm barring extreme examples. It's the motion used in throwing that causes the stress and is why baseball pitchers have so many more arm problems than quarterbacks. A softball weighs more than a baseball, but because of the motion one softball pitcher can pitch basically every game for a team. I don't see what the defenders have to do with the strain throwing puts on the arm. If your arguing that they can be hurt by means other than throwing well duh, it's football.

The point Raging and I were making was exactly your point. The games are too different to compare the recovery times. We don't really know if Jakes recovery was exceptionally fast or not considering what he has to put his arm through compared to a pitcher.

[bleys]

Cause whenever he plays bad there's always an excuse for him. When we play bad everyone gets called out, but when he does it's always someone else's fault or this went bad or that went bad. Even when he f*cks up tremendously people say "he wasn't the only reason, it was this blah blah blah". Just because he's getting called out doesn't mean all the blame is being put on him! After the Raiders game there was a Jake Appreciation thread. C'mon now!

As far as the playoff game, yes the defense wasn't good and Jake was at his worst. But just because Jake is being called out for that doesn't mean what the defense did is being ignored! It's just that his fault in that game was bigger than any one else's.

What also irks me is when people say it was just 1 game why people don't like Delhomme. One game? How about the Raiders or both Bucs games or the Vikings game? So you see why we remember all the faults of Jake? It's because we have to defend our opinion every single time we mention him because he's untouchable and free of any faults in many fan's eyes on this board.

most of the time that is the case... It's not that complicated, no one goes around saying Jake is "infallible".. and yet there are still people ignoring that. If anyone is defending Jake, it's not because he's the "infallible", it's because most of the time other details of the game ARE being ignored..

Perhaps you're the only one that doesn't...

[frash.exe]

How many pitchers throw every day in practice all week and have 350 lb guys smashing their arm and trying to kill them on game day everytime they attempt to throw the ball. How many pitchers throw the baseball 40 - 50 yards instead of 60 feet. Plus a footbal weights a ton more than a baseball which could be better or worse.

That's a little exaggerated. first of all 350 lbs is not your average weight for defensive linemen. Secondly, they don't hit the quarterback and smash his arm every play, they don't even get near them in a lot of plays, especially in the NFC South (it's not a pass-rushing division).

Just how many 40-50 yard throws does Jake make in a game? You understand that he doesn't nearly throw it that far every pass attempt do you? You seem to have this Paul Bunyan type theme going on when talking about Delhomme.

You do understand that pitchers go through more elbow compression and elbow extension when throwing than QBs, don't you? Compound that with the fact that they make way more throws than QBs, and play in more games in a longer season.

[CRA]

Cause whenever he plays bad there's always an excuse for him. When we play bad everyone gets called out, but when he does it's always someone else's fault or this went bad or that went bad. Even when he f*cks up tremendously people say "he wasn't the only reason, it was this blah blah blah". Just because he's getting called out doesn't mean all the blame is being put on him! After the Raiders game there was a Jake Appreciation thread. C'mon now!

As far as the playoff game, yes the defense wasn't good and Jake was at his worst. But just because Jake is being called out for that doesn't mean what the defense did is being ignored! It's just that his fault in that game was bigger than any one else's.

What also irks me is when people say it was just 1 game why people don't like Delhomme. One game? How about the Raiders or both Bucs games or the Vikings game? So you see why we remember all the faults of Jake? It's because we have to defend our opinion every single time we mention him because he's untouchable and free of any faults in many fan's eyes on this board.

well again, that is b/c he is basically being blamed for the loss. I disagree that when the team does poorly then everyone gets called out. Jake just got called out for the NYG loss.....there are many others that cost us that game and probably more so than Jake. Jake did his job, he had us in position to win that game.

Also, Jake is probably Fox's favorite player b/c everyone wants to focus on Jake's playoff meltdown and NOT the HORRIFIC coaching job. I'm not a Fox fan but at least he has always prepared and done well in the postseason...from a playcalling, gameplan, and adjustment aspect.....I can't think of a worse job done by a coach in a playoff game in the past 10 years. IMO the coaching was even worse than what Jake did.....

I don't think he is untouchable. I have no problem w/ Jake tossing it up in the GB game for Smitty to make a play.......so why would I have a problem w/ him lobbing it up to Moose against the Bucs for him to make the play. That is what Jake does. He will toss it up and let his WRs try to make something happen. I don't see how I can get mad at him when it doesn't work and praise him when it does......that is simply Jake's style of play and what he is asked to do. Tampa, NYG, Oak Atl, or Minny....I don't fault him for any of those games. Now I will fault him for his play in the AZ game but I'm over it already.

[KillerKat]

Tampa, NYG, Oak Atl, or Minny....I don't fault him for any of those games. Now I will fault him for his play in the AZ game but I'm over it already.

If Im understanding you correctly, it's like i said before. Just cause his faults are being mentioned in those games, doesn't mean all the blame is being put on him and other faults of the rest of the team are being ignored. Or are you saying you won't even recognize what he did wrong in those games?

[KillerKat]

well again, that is b/c he is basically being blamed for the loss. I disagree that when the team does poorly then everyone gets called out. Jake just got called out for the NYG loss.....there are many others that cost us that game and probably more so than Jake. Jake did his job, he had us in position to win that game.

And that's the problem right there. Jake was not blamed for the NYG loss. His play was just simply being pointed out. Does not mean at all that anything else is being ignored.

[CRA]

If Im understanding you correctly, it's like i said before. Just cause his faults are being mentioned in those games, doesn't mean all the blame is being put on him and other faults of the rest of the team are being ignored. Or are you saying you won't even recognize what he did wrong in those games?

My point is....what is the difference between what he did in the 1st Tampa game and Oak game vs. what he did in both NO game and the GB game? He did the same thing imo in all of those....he throws it up for a WR to go make the play. That is the type QB he is and I can accept that.....therefore an Oak game is simply going to happen and is unavoidable w/ that style QB.

[KillerKat]

My point is....what is the difference between what he did in the 1st Tampa game and Oak game vs. what he did in both NO game and the GB game? He did the same thing imo in all of those....he throws it up for a WR to go make the play. That is the type QB he is and I can accept that.....therefore an Oak game is simply going to happen and is unavoidable w/ that style QB.

Well the difference is that he had 5 turnovers all together in the Bucs games and his 2nd worst game ever was against the Raiders. But if you've accepted he's an inconsistant QB then I think we have some common ground here.