Best damn Essay on Jake Delhomme this Offseason!

[WideStance78]

Great read, thanks. What burns me up about that game -- even more than Jake's turnovers -- still is how quickly they gave up on the running attack. I don't care how quickly the score turned, the way DW and JS started, it could have been another 300+ yard game.

[frash.exe]

eh, can't blame him too much for that Buc game. Sure he had picks, but I'd let Jake take those same shots any day of the week. The ball literally just bounced the wrong way that game. Also, no way we can pin the Giants game on Jake.....that game falls on the defense and IMO Steve Smith. If it wasn't for Smith b.s. on that last drive Kasay wouldn't have had to kick such a long one in the wind.

also, take into account he is the 1st QB to legitimately comeback from Tommy John....no way we could have expect one of his best seasons last year.

It's surgery, however it's also a surgery with one of the highest recovery rates in pro sports. Delhomme had a reasonable rehabilitation period that he wasn't rushed back into the mix. It's not saying the same thing like a WR coming back from an ACL tear.

Some healthy young minor league players as well as high school players voluntarily want to have the surgery because they think their throwing will be stronger however sports doctors have said that all it does is get you back to your normal throwing strength, so it's only necessary for older players whose arms have worn out or players of any age who've torn the ligament in their elbows.

[KillerKat]

eh, can't blame him too much for that Buc game. Sure he had picks, but I'd let Jake take those same shots any day of the week. The ball literally just bounced the wrong way that game. Also, no way we can pin the Giants game on Jake.....that game falls on the defense and IMO Steve Smith. If it wasn't for Smith b.s. on that last drive Kasay wouldn't have had to kick such a long one in the wind.

also, take into account he is the 1st QB to legitimately comeback from Tommy John....no way we could have expect one of his best seasons last year.

Why is it when Jake's faults are pointed out it's automatically assumed the whole game is blamed on him? It's just pointing out his part on what he did wrong just like you just did with Steve Smith and the defense.

As far as the Bucs game, yeah they bounced the Bucs way, but why did they bounce away in the first place? Inaccuracy.

[Fireball77]

It's surgery, however it's also a surgery with one of the highest recovery rates in pro sports. Delhomme had a reasonable rehabilitation period that he wasn't rushed back into the mix. It's not saying the same thing like a WR coming back from an ACL tear.

Some healthy young minor league players as well as high school players voluntarily want to have the surgery because they think their throwing will be stronger however sports doctors have said that all it does is get you back to your normal throwing strength, so it's only necessary for older players whose arms have worn out or players of any age who've torn the ligament in their elbows.

I am not doubting a thing you said here about baseball players but we have no recent data to show what the effect is with QBs. Players coming back from ACLs are pretty much an every year thing so some data is there.

[panthers55]

However, hot and cold streaks aren't the mark of solid QB play. Let's just come to the conclusion that Jake was just too inconsistent for the Panthers to make it far in 2008, and if he plays better next year, it'll only be because he worked on his problems to improve (because he has a lot of areas to improve upon, and he is capable, I never said he wasn't) and not because "oh well John Elway and Brett Favre sucked in playoff games too and they ended up winning". If you were going to compare QBing WHY would you pick Brett Favre in his late career out of all of them?

Hot and cold streaks are the mark of recovery from TJ surgery, particularly when 3 of those poor outing came after he was apparently rusty from needed rest for 2 weeks and came out of the box poorly. If he comes back well this year it will further suggest that he is fully recovered and that the coaches and training staff were right in signing him long-term. If he struggles and plays poorly, then it will support those who say he is getting old or no longer can play at a high level. If figures he has the motivation to do well, now we have to wait to see what happens. No one can do anything about the past and bringing up 2008 is ancient history positively or negatively.

These discussions are just rehashing the same old junk ad nauseum. I can't wait until the offseason is over so we can at least have something current to discuss.

[Gman was right]

While Jake was mostly to blame for this loss I wont put the blame totally on him. John Fox had just as big of a hand in the loss for having such a poor game plan. Bolden didnt even play in the game and the only guy left who was a real threat to beat us Fox sticks his worst CB on him and he goes off for a 150 yards in the first half. John Fox's refusal to adjust was just as big of a factor in the loss as Jakes turnovers were. I'll agree Jake isnt nearly as bad as people have made him out to be over the years, but the fact is he is 34 and is seriously on the decline. Time to look for a franchise QB because he is not the answer anymore.

[monstercat]

It's surgery, however it's also a surgery with one of the highest recovery rates in pro sports. Delhomme had a reasonable rehabilitation period that he wasn't rushed back into the mix. It's not saying the same thing like a WR coming back from an ACL tear.

Some healthy young minor league players as well as high school players voluntarily want to have the surgery because they think their throwing will be stronger however sports doctors have said that all it does is get you back to your normal throwing strength, so it's only necessary for older players whose arms have worn out or players of any age who've torn the ligament in their elbows.

Actually, I believe it's probably a lot like ACL surgery, from the perspective that you can play with it within 1 year, but it takes about two years to really be 100% effective. Lots of pitchers have had bad games in the first year after Tommy John, and some of them have even had to have the surgery again because they tried to do too much too soon.

I don't think it's just a coincidence that Jake had his two worst games after the two bye weeks either. I believe he probably had a little inflamation and stiffness from the scar tissue, and that it was probably a damned if you do, and damned if you don't situation, as far as how much or how little to throw during the week off. Anyway, we will surely find out this season whether he's 100% ready or not.

[frash.exe]

Why is it when Jake's faults are pointed out it's automatically assumed the whole game is blamed on him?

Because he is The Infallible.

[mantal]

I WAS WATCHING SPORTS NATION YESTERDAY

This is actually interesting and personally I think it is kind of cool. I was watching Sports Nation yesterday and they were talking about the New York Jets. The shows hosts were talking about how the Jets have recently reported that they have about 1,000 season tickets available and how fans would be smart to go ahead and take advantage of this offer. Then one of the reporters said (It was the male, but I can't remember his name) "Why buy season tickets with a rookie quarterback and a new coach." He continued to say "The Jets will probably go 4-12 this year with them facing the Tom Brady's and Jake Delhomme's this year." I was shocked and since I have a DVR I rewinded the segment, and said to myself "Did he just mention Brady and Delhomme in the same sentence?" Sure enough he had and I was ecstatic about it. That is the first reporter on ESPN that I know, who hasn't blasted Jake Delhomme (except for John Clayton when he was praising Delhomme for making a return from his surgery.)

That's Colin Cowherd and he's known for being pretty impartial when evaluating sports and calling like it is. He doesn't pull any punches and doesn't care which fan base he pisses off. He is also known for his huge ego, but I digress. I listen to him a lot on ESPN radio while driving to sales calls...

[frash.exe]

Actually, I believe it's probably a lot like ACL surgery, from the perspective that you can play with it within 1 year, but it takes about two years to really be 100% effective. Lots of pitchers have had bad games in the first year after Tommy John, and some of them have even had to have the surgery again because they tried to do too much too soon.

I posted this link in another thread a while back.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080712090831.htm

In the study, 743 patients who had the Tommy John surgery were contacted for follow-up evaluations and completed a questionnaire about their recovery. The majority of the patients were baseball players (94.5 percent), the remaining 5.5 percent were involved in track, football or other sports. The study found that 622 patients (83 percent) returned to the previous level of competition or higher. Of the major league players, 75.5 percent returned to the same level of play. For minor league players 56 percent returned to the same level or higher. The average time from surgery to full competition was 11.6 months after reconstruction, according to study results. Additionally about 10 percent of the patients had complications, mostly minor.

[CRA]

Why is it when Jake's faults are pointed out it's automatically assumed the whole game is blamed on him? It's just pointing out his part on what he did wrong just like you just did with Steve Smith and the defense.

As far as the Bucs game, yeah they bounced the Bucs way, but why did they bounce away in the first place? Inaccuracy.

my point was only that Jake had put them in position to win the Giants game. I didn't see why that was used as an example....he helped put Carolina exactly where they needed to be to get the win.

and as the far the Buc game goes, I had no real problem w/ those throws. Could they have been a little better? Some of them but the WRs could have made plays on all of them.......

[KillerKat]

my point was only that Jake had put them in position to win the Giants game. I didn't see why that was used as an example....he helped put Carolina exactly where they needed to be to get the win.

My point was regardless of which game it is, any time someone points out what he did wrong it is assumed that all of the blame is being put on him.

[monstercat]

I posted this link in another thread a while back.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080712090831.htm

I guarantee you that those numbers aren't the same across the board when you compare pitchers to position baseball players. Not that playing QB is the same as pitching, but it's a better comparison that, say, a right fielder, who could go for a week of games without having to make more than 1-2 really hard throws. And we have nothing to compare Jake's situation to, aside from a couple of back up QB's that weren't that good in the first place.

[frash.exe]

I guarantee you that those numbers aren't the same across the board when you compare pitchers to position baseball players. Not that playing QB is the same as pitching, but it's a better comparison that, say, a right fielder, who could go for a week of games without having to make more than 1-2 really hard throws. And we have nothing to compare Jake's situation to, aside from a couple of back up QB's that weren't that good in the first place.

And then when you take into account that Delhomme doesn't play as many games as baseball pitchers in a season and that out of a whole lot of starting QBs his 414 attempts were among the least and that 25 pass attempts per game=/=60-100+ pitches per baseball game...