Best damn Essay on Jake Delhomme this Offseason!

[frash.exe]

QuasiYoda wrote this article.

John Elway never threw more than three interceptions in a playoff game, but in his first super bowl he had a lousy 36.9 rating on three interceptions, and two years later his rating was a lowly 19.4 in a loss to the 49ers.

trying to parallel John Elway to Delhomme.

[AKPantherFan]

That was a great article, and probably one of the best that I have read this year.

Make you remember the way you felt after that Jacksonville game

[Killer RB's]

That was a great article, and probably one of the best that I have read this year.

Make you remember the way you felt after that Jacksonville game

:thumbsup:

[Darth Biscuit]

This is the part that speaks most to me...

A game in which the starting running back managed 23 yards after an opening drive that saw him run all over the opponents.

A game in which the NFL's third best rushing attack ran the ball 15 times and passed 34, including on the vast majority of first downs.

A game in which the defense left one of the NFL's best receivers uncovered in the flat for the entire first half. In Arizona's seven possessions during the first half, the Cardinals were forced to punt only once.

I've been saying that all along... yes Jake had a horrible game, but he was put in that position by the coaches and poor defensive play.

Nice find and read...

[bleys]

This is the part that speaks most to me...

I've been saying that all along... yes Jake had a horrible game, but he was put in that position by the coaches and poor defensive play.

Nice find and read...

Well, it's been brought up a few times but mostly forgotten whether on purpose or by accident when you hear "we had a great 1st drive and then we stopped running the ball." Well, actually, we had a great 1st drive and then got stuffed.. Defense failed to follow up by stopping them from scoring a poo ton of points on us.

[Fireball77]

QuasiYoda wrote this article.

trying to parallel John Elway to Delhomme.

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So Delhomme's not in the worst company, although you would be hard pressed to find anyone who wants him to be on that list. None of those quarterbacks allowed themselves to be defined by their poor performance in one playoff game, and neither will Jake.

I don't think the author is trying to compare their overall careers/accomplishments. That makes a big difference IMO. But I'm not one who thinks that just because a QB is considered elite that one cannot compare that guy's accomplishments/stats/performance in certain games/whatever to another guy's who is not elite.

[QuasiYoda]

QuasiYoda wrote this article.

trying to parallel John Elway to Delhomme.

Raging Bull, you bestow honors upon me I do not deserve.

I can only say "I Wish" I wrote this article.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

That's my quarterback, man.

[frash.exe]

When the next part is:

I don't think the author is trying to compare their overall careers/accomplishments. That makes a big difference IMO. But I'm not one who thinks that just because a QB is considered elite that one cannot compare that guy's accomplishments/stats/performance in certain games/whatever to another guy's who is not elite.

Whatever comparisons you have to give is speculation, that's all.

Brett Favre threw 6 INTs against the Rams. What exactly does it have to do with Jake?

Jake was wildly inconsistent last year. He had the benefit of a lethal running game on the offense. But against top ten passing defense, he flopped miserably. 52 for 105 for 672 yards with a 2/9 TD/INT ratio, good for a 40.7 QB rating, in 4 games against the Giants, Bucs and Raiders. Sometimes he couldn't get into a rhythm even when the running backs were absolutely tearing defenses apart.

What's even more telling is the 4th Quarter comebacks he engineered were against pretty bad pass defense. San Diego (31), New Orleans pt. 2 (23), and Green Bay (12th, which I'll admit is solid).

He was awful against the Bucs and Raiders. He was ineffective against the Bears, Vikings and Lions. He faded out against the Giants (2nd half + overtime-4/9 50 yards 0/0) Other days he played great. However, hot and cold streaks aren't the mark of solid QB play. When you take into account his whole regular season plus postseason, he was 263 for 448 with 3493 yards, 16 touchdowns and 17 interceptions, good for a 79.6 QB rating.

Let's just come to the conclusion that Jake was just too inconsistent for the Panthers to make it far in 2008, and if he plays better next year, it'll only be because he worked on his problems to improve (because he has a lot of areas to improve upon, and he is capable, I never said he wasn't) and not because "oh well John Elway and Brett Favre sucked in playoff games too and they ended up winning". If you were going to compare QBing WHY would you pick Brett Favre in his late career out of all of them?

[carolinarolls]

so he's better in the fourth quarter than the other 3 and that is supposed to make up for his "overall lousy numbers"...OK

thanks again bleacher report

[PanthaSan]

That's my quarterback, man.

:iagree:

Nice find.

Rep.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

I WAS WATCHING SPORTS NATION YESTERDAY

This is actually interesting and personally I think it is kind of cool. I was watching Sports Nation yesterday and they were talking about the New York Jets. The shows hosts were talking about how the Jets have recently reported that they have about 1,000 season tickets available and how fans would be smart to go ahead and take advantage of this offer. Then one of the reporters said (It was the male, but I can't remember his name) "Why buy season tickets with a rookie quarterback and a new coach." He continued to say "The Jets will probably go 4-12 this year with them facing the Tom Brady's and Jake Delhomme's this year." I was shocked and since I have a DVR I rewinded the segment, and said to myself "Did he just mention Brady and Delhomme in the same sentence?" Sure enough he had and I was ecstatic about it. That is the first reporter on ESPN that I know, who hasn't blasted Jake Delhomme (except for John Clayton when he was praising Delhomme for making a return from his surgery.)

[CRA]

Whatever comparisons you have to give is speculation, that's all.

Brett Favre threw 6 INTs against the Rams. What exactly does it have to do with Jake?

Jake was wildly inconsistent last year. He had the benefit of a lethal running game on the offense. But against top ten passing defense, he flopped miserably. 52 for 105 for 672 yards with a 2/9 TD/INT ratio, good for a 40.7 QB rating, in 4 games against the Giants, Bucs and Raiders. Sometimes he couldn't get into a rhythm even when the running backs were absolutely tearing defenses apart.

What's even more telling is the 4th Quarter comebacks he engineered were against pretty bad pass defense. San Diego (31), New Orleans pt. 2 (23), and Green Bay (12th, which I'll admit is solid).

He was awful against the Bucs and Raiders. He was ineffective against the Bears, Vikings and Lions. He faded out against the Giants (2nd half + overtime-4/9 50 yards 0/0) Other days he played great. However, hot and cold streaks aren't the mark of solid QB play. When you take into account his whole regular season plus postseason, he was 263 for 448 with 3493 yards, 16 touchdowns and 17 interceptions, good for a 79.6 QB rating.

Let's just come to the conclusion that Jake was just too inconsistent for the Panthers to make it far in 2008, and if he plays better next year, it'll only be because he worked on his problems to improve (because he has a lot of areas to improve upon, and he is capable, I never said he wasn't) and not because "oh well John Elway and Brett Favre sucked in playoff games too and they ended up winning". If you were going to compare QBing WHY would you pick Brett Favre in his late career out of all of them?

eh, can't blame him too much for that Buc game. Sure he had picks, but I'd let Jake take those same shots any day of the week. The ball literally just bounced the wrong way that game. Also, no way we can pin the Giants game on Jake.....that game falls on the defense and IMO Steve Smith. If it wasn't for Smith b.s. on that last drive Kasay wouldn't have had to kick such a long one in the wind.

also, take into account he is the 1st QB to legitimately comeback from Tommy John....no way we could have expect one of his best seasons last year.

[Fireball77]

Let's just come to the conclusion that Jake was just too inconsistent for the Panthers to make it far in 2008, and if he plays better next year, it'll only be because he worked on his problems to improve (because he has a lot of areas to improve upon, and he is capable, I never said he wasn't) and not because "oh well John Elway and Brett Favre sucked in playoff games too and they ended up winning". If you were going to compare QBing WHY would you pick Brett Favre in his late career out of all of them?

I didn't look at it as he was saying oh well they sucked and ended up winning. I looked at it as his saying exactly what he said, those games are not what people talk about when they talk about those guys, who happen to be very highly regarded by a lot of people. And those games aren't what people define those guys by and are never even brought up by most people when discussing them, even though most of those guys played pretty lousy in the postseason over quite a few games. I took it merely as an example of what could happen.

As for the rest, I respect your thoughts but suffice it to say that we disagree enough over evaluating QBs (such as, you feel Eli is better & I don't) that I don't think we can come to any agreement there.