Best damn Essay on Jake Delhomme this Offseason!

[bleys]

You just did it again. It's late but I cannot find where I said in this thread you think Jake is a franchise QB. Correct me if I'm wrong you do think he's not soley the problem? I do.

Then you apologize for sarcasm despite the fact your entire posts was oozing with it.

the latter, I'm guilty of... sue me.

The 1st part, late or not, you'll never find where I said he was a franchise QB and until you show me that, you are doing nothing more than making things up. And then are curious why I get frustrated with some of you? this happens all the time...

He isn't the sole problem though, but to take that as me saying he is a franchise QB is pretty lame.. lol

[Fireball77]

"He is solely the problem"="I left the room every time they were on the field on defense"?

[CRA]

You still don't get it. Fumbles by a quarterback are similar to a sack. As long as you don't lose the ball you lose the down and the yardage. Lost fumbles are similar to an interception. A lot more problematic and a bigger concern.

Quarterbacks aren't benched because they have the potential to throw a TD just as much as throw a pick or fumble the ball. Plus they aren't exactly like a running back who is concentrating on protecting the ball as he goes. Quarterbacks are looking down the field concentrating on the action 20 yards away. They often get blindsided and frankly have no chance to avoid it.

Warner fumbled 11 times last year. Anyone think he was a liability? Again your logic is too simplistic. Fumbles by Favre in 2001 weren't an issue because his positives far outweighted his negatives. Warner for example fumbles more because their offensive scheme often puts him on an island with no protection and a corner or safety having a free run on him while he sits in the pocket and takes the hit. Same thing happened in St Louis. You are looking at one stat or one issue without putting it in context.

we will just agree to disagree. I think if a QB averages almost a fumble a game then that makes them a liability. You don't think it matters how much they fumble as long as they aren't lost.

Warner actually improved his ball protection last year despite the 11. Heading into the season there were lots of concerns from AZ fans about Warner holding onto the ball IF he played b/c he had become a liability.

[pepaw]

the latter, I'm guilty of... sue me.

The 1st part, late or not, you'll never find where I said he was a franchise QB and until you show me that, you are doing nothing more than making things up. And then are curious why I get frustrated with some of you? this happens all the time...

He isn't the sole problem though, but to take that as me saying he is a franchise QB is pretty lame.. lol

Did you not read my last post? I JUST SAID THAT NEVER ANYWHERE IN THIS THREAD I QUOTED YOU SAYING THAT YOU EVEN THOUGHT JAKE WAS A FRANCHISE QB. What in the blue fvck are you talking about?

Your either not reading what I even type. Or

You get confused and just repeat the same sh1t when you don't know what to do.

[bleys]

Did you not read my last post? I JUST SAID THAT NEVER ANYWHERE IN THIS THREAD I QUOTED YOU SAYING THAT YOU EVEN THOUGHT JAKE WAS A FRANCHISE QB. What in the blue fvck are you talking about?

Your either not reading what I even type. Or

You get confused and just repeat the same sh1t when you don't know what to do.

Nevermind, you are totally right.. I confused you with Nu Gunz who said that... My bad for slighting you in such a horrible way, lmao....

[rayzor]

@ this thread/piss fight

too funny

[bleys]

"He is solely the problem"="I left the room every time they were on the field on defense"?

pretty much...

[mayormaier]

I just finished watching highlights of last season, Delhomme had a heck of a season, I think we are fortunate that our team is good enough that our biggest concern is that our good qb is not great. Out running backs are freaking awesome, I can not wait to see them run over the oppositions secondary this year!!! I know we all know Smitty is great but when you go back and watch highlights it just gets me jazzed up to see his crazy plays this coming season!! I support Jake as our leader 100%. Panthers NFC champs this year.

[mantal]

Wow, I can't believe we just gave him all that money with so much guaranteed, by professional coaches and a front office who make a living identifying talent? We must really suck. Why is this even being discussed still? Delhomme is our QB, some of you love it, some of you hate it, but it's reality, it's not gonna change and it's not gonna change for at least a couple of years based upon the guaranteed money, it doesn't matter what you think, not at all, not even a little bit, unless you buy the team - any takers?...

[panthers55]

Wow, I can't believe we just gave him all that money with so much guaranteed, by professional coaches and a front office who make a living identifying talent? We must really suck. Why is this even being discussed still? Delhomme is our QB, some of you love it, some of you hate it, but it's reality, it's not gonna change and it's not gonna change for at least a couple of years based upon the guaranteed money, it doesn't matter what you think, not at all, not even a little bit, unless you buy the team - any takers?...

Pretty tough talk for an 8 yr old:cheers2:

[KillerKat]

I'm actually not trying to prove anything, because I can't. What I am saying, is that there is some actual evidence that the surgery may have affected Jake since both of his worst games were after the only two bye weeks of the season. And it has been mentioned. Somebody here posted that they heard it mentioned on sirius radio that Jake's arm did tighten up during the bye weeks because the team wouldn't let him throw. I can't remember who posted it, or who it was that mentioned it on the radio, or who their source was, but I know for a fact that it's been mentioned.

Jake never said a word all during 06 when he first started having the elbow problems in the first place, and neither did the team, so why should we expect them to say anything now? Anyway, it's pretty obvious to me that the team knows that the Oakland and 2nd Arizona games were the exception, and not the rule, which is even more evidence that there is something to my opinion.

Now, where is your evidence that Jake's injury had nothing to do with it?

You're right, it was Tommy Jone fault!!!! He hurt Jake. DAmn you tommy jone!!!!11 damn youuuuuuu

[err456]

Maybe "Tommy Jone" should be blamed but since when does one think with the elbow.

His decision making was horrible.

[Drithe]

NO! You cant blame TOMMY JOHN SURGERY for Jakes POOR PERFORMANCES. This article talks about how they got away from the run game alot and made Jake throw the ball was one reason they lost. WELL IF HE WAS ANY KIND OF QB he would make most of those throws, that is what GOOD QBS do and this is a throwing league!

For every stinking GOOD PLAY Jake Delhomme has had I can give you 4 to 5 bad ones. The running game KEPT JAKE FROM THROWING INTERCEPTIONS and that does not speak well for ANY QB.

We have won 3/4 of our games because of our defense and running game, and not allowing Jake to throw as much. But how many games have we lost BECAUSE of Jake?

How many games have we won INSPITE of Jake?

How many games has he taken the air out of our defense AND offense by throwing interceptions or FUMBLING THE BALL?

How many times does Jake have TURNOVERS when he has his temper tantrums just because he got hit or sacked?

How many times has he UNDER THROWN Steve Smith?

How many times does he OVER THROWN mid range passes?

Why does Jake hold the ball behind his body and AT HIS KNEES with one hand when he is waiting to throw the ball?

Why does Jake have a 5.8 40 speed and cant scramble when he has too?

Have you noticed that we ALWAYS do well when we have a soft schedule, like 12 - 4, then ALWAYS lose in the playoffs to a GOOD FOOTBALL TEAM?

I could ask another 100 questions on why Jake Delhomme sucks so badly. But I will say that the PANTHERS HAVE AN AWESOME PHYSICAL TEAM and a mediocre QB and they are happy with that. The fans want an AWESOME QB and are tired of the team CARRYING JAKE DELHOMME ON THIER BACKS!

I believe the TEAM is also tired of it as well.

What scares me is that we got a soft schedule again next year and this gives Jake a better chance to succeed, that is until we play a powerhouse team and he loses again with turnovers, probably in the playoffs.

But one thing I will say in Jakes defense. All he has is ONE RECIEVER to go too. Muhammid drops more balls than he catches and the rest of the recievers suck, besides Smith. At one time even SMITH was dropping a few balls. But then again Delhomme DID have his tightends.

Either way this article I read from Bleachers was very well thought out and put into place, sort of speak. But anyone with half a mind can disclaim it ........... if they have watched Delhomme play for the last 2 years.

End of Line.

[Sam Mills Fan]

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