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San Francisco Newpaper: Cam Is Better Than Kaepernick

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LOL.

 

None of you have any idea what I'm talking about.

 

That's OK. All NFL offenses have an audible system. All NFL offenses have hot reads. All NFL offenses do stuff pre-snap to clue the QB in to what is about to happen. You are all correct in that none of THAT is unique.

 

THAT is not what I'm talking about. I'm clearly not good enough a writer here to accurately depict what I'm talking about. No worries. You guys can believe what you want to believe.

 

Let me attack this from another angle tho. Every single solitary QB that has worked for any length of time with Harbaugh has succeeded. Todd Mortenson was a career backup and flourished in his final year at USD (he was a transfer). Josh Johnson was the highest rated QB in the history of his league. As a senior he threw 40 TDs and 1 INT. Andrew Luck was regarded as the best NFL Draft prospect at QB since Peyton Manning. Alex Smith was largely considered a total bust and improved enough to be worth 2 2nd round picks. Colin Kaepernick came in and made his 10th freakin' NFL start in the Super Bowl.

 

Is this all a coincidence? Is Harbaugh a QB whisperer? Or perhaps...just perhaps...Harbaugh has created a system that actually makes it easier for QBs to succeed. Anyone notice that the first thing the Colts did this offseason was to go out and get Pep Hamilton from Stanford to run the same O Luck ran in college? Go look at how different his TD-INT numbers and Qb rating look. Pep wants that same run based offense that Stanford and the 49ers ran and that's a big reason they went out and got Trent Richardson. These offenses run off play action primarily.

 

As much as I HATE doing this, I'm linking another Cohn article. Try to stear away from any commentary from the moron writer and pay attention to what Mortenson said.

 

http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2011/01/inside-the-49ers/harbaughs-first-quarterback-says-the-offense-is-the-key/

 

 

You guys could even flip this argument to say that Cam is better BECAUSE Kap has the benefit of playing in this system while Cam plays in a more conventional offense. That's partially why I have never been trying to sit here and make the Kap>Cam argument.

 

Bottom line tho, I know what I know. You guys believe what you believe. Other teams have offenses every bit at revolutionary, but they are simply different. They seek to accomplish a different goal. The Eagles, Broncos and Pats are all doing what Oregon does...high tempo, call plays at the LOS, audible to weaknesses in defensive alignment, force a D to be mostly basic most of the time, and simply exhaust the D.

 

The Niners O is ever bit as revolutionary, but seeks to accomplish something altogether different. They take a completely different approach and use every available second on the clock and rest their defense.

 

Watch the game on sunday with what I have said and you will understand a bit more about what I'm saying. BTW...so much of what I'm talking about has NOTHING to do with the passing game. Whams, Traps, Draws, Read-Option...you name it. You'll see just about every run play ever designed.

 

Are you joking? Because Harbaugh's trademark isn't that his offenses are very complex or revolutionary, but that they try to show as many different looks as possible out of each formation. That's all fine and dandy if you're looking to exploit one-on-one matchups against defenses that try to counter any offensive move with one of their own, but struggles mightily when defenses refuse to tip their hand and disguise their own looks instead. A lot of coaches are paranoid about leaving their players on islands against players like Davis so they will abandon their schematic integrity in order to chase the matchup, but the defenses that have given 49ers fits in the past are those that can line their guys up and simply play with abandon (like Seattle.)

 

Now put that offense against a scheme that feints coverages or brings overload blitzes or man-zone hybrids, and as long as the defensive line is holding the run game the passing game absolutely falls apart because Kaepernick hasn't progressed enough to diagnose disguised coverages post-snap yet.

 

And yes, they do utilize a lot of running plays. . .all of them standard vocabulary in the NFL. Their genius isn't in the play design, but the talent executing them.

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I'm not saying Harbaugh isn't a good coach or good with QBs. I'm just saying that nothing he does is unique.

He may do it better, and coach it better than most, but he hasn't invented something new.

 

No worries. I tend to think he's so successful because his system puts QBs in the best position to succeed. We can agree to disagree on the reason why.

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Fair enough. I can't complain since Newton remains as the only 2011 draft pick on our squad.

 

Kaepernick may not possess Cam's potential but he has similar traits. Colin is a very solid second round pick, and picking Aldon up in the first round was worth it. That said, if he keep this **** up with his alcoholism, you guys could end up losing out in the long run. 

 

...don't get me started on Aldon. LOL. The kid has the tools to be an all-time great. 38 sacks in 35 career games. More sacks than Reggie White and Derrick Thomas in his first 2 years...

 

...but has made some DUMB decisions. DUMB. I can only hope he's learned his lesson.

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LOL. If you say so. I'm telling you this is different. You don't believe me and that's your right. No worries.

 

OF COURSE every team does shifts to determine the Ds intent presnap. OF COURSE all teams have audibles and the options to check into different plays. None of this is news to me.

 

That's not the same as what I'm talking about. Believe me or don't...no matter.

What you are saying is that Harbaugh tailors a system to the quarterback that he has and their skills sets.  I would agree.  He is a good offensive mind and knows how to design a system to take advantage of what  his quarterback can or can't do.  That is why his quarterbacks are generally successful but that isn't unique.  I can think of at least half a dozen teams who do a very good job of matching what their quarterback does to their skill set.  Then as they develop and improve so does the complexity of the system. Some teams like the Panthers threw everything at Cam with no consideration of his skill sets or abilities.  The bad news was he struggled at first. Th good news is that it forced him to adapt and learn pretty fast.

 

If you have some other insight, share it. Otherwise to claim some uniqueness which you can't articulate is an unassailable argument while being at the same time unsubstantiated.

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Exactly, you just said very often the 49ers run jumbo sets with 1 or 2 receivers in the pattern, which means very often Kaep only has to go through 2 progressions. He is not a developed progression QB. I've seen every 49er game the past 3 years. Alex Smith did the same exact thing when he was the QB. When asked to do more in 3 or 4 receiver sets with progressions neither were very successful

Just what I said. Harbaugh knows what Kap does well and stays in that system rather than  making Kap do more than he can.  That is smart. As Kap improves and gain experience he has the option to complicate things.  I just don't think that makes it unique.  In fact you could call it simplified and limited based on what Kap can do.

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so now the best argument is that harbaugh took a lesser QB and put in place a system that worked around his QBs deficiencies/limited skillset?

 

lol

The thing is though that sometimes simple can still be effective. The 49ers are effective just not complicated.  They rely on their player's ability rather than the schemes complexity.  It was similar to what the Panthers did under Fox when they had a very talented team.

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Are you joking? Because Harbaugh's trademark isn't that his offenses are very complex or revolutionary, but that they try to show as many different looks as possible out of each formation. That's all fine and dandy if you're looking to exploit one-on-one matchups against defenses that try to counter any offensive move with one of their own, but struggles mightily when defenses refuse to tip their hand and disguise their own looks instead. A lot of coaches are paranoid about leaving their players on islands against players like Davis so they will abandon their schematic integrity in order to chase the matchup, but the defenses that have given 49ers fits in the past are those that can line their guys up and simply play with abandon (like Seattle.)

 

Now put that offense against a scheme that feints coverages or brings overload blitzes or man-zone hybrids, and as long as the defensive line is holding the run game the passing game absolutely falls apart because Kaepernick hasn't progressed enough to diagnose disguised coverages post-snap yet.

 

And yes, they do utilize a lot of running plays. . .all of them standard vocabulary in the NFL. Their genius isn't in the play design, but the talent executing them.

 

Most of that is true. They also run into real problems when teams can just man them up and don't need a safety to help. Only a few teams in the NFL can do that tho and unfortunately Seattle is one of them.

 

Most teams can't "hold the run" against them. They are way to multiple in their formations and playcalling to account for everything. While there are very few run plays that could in themselves be called revolutionary, the shear volume of runs from different formations is what makes them somewhat unique.

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Just what I said. Harbaugh knows what Kap does well and stays in that system rather than  making Kap do more than he can.  That is smart. As Kap improves and gain experience he has the option to complicate things.  I just don't think that makes it unique.  In fact you could call it simplified and limited based on what Kap can do.

 

You could look at it that way...but he's run that offense everywhere with every one of his QBs including Andrew Luck.

 

The Niners trouble this year in the passing game tho has more to do witht heir lack of viable targets than anything else. Their best receiver is incapable of getting any separation. Its drummed into the QBs head that you throw the ball to Boldin anyway because he'll make those catches.

 

Sometimes he does and sometimes he doesn't. That ends up with ALOT of contested passes to Boldin.

 

I tend to think things will get better when Crab comes back becaue it'll be easier to discern if hes open or not open making the actual read easier to make.

 

That's just my opinion tho...nothing to back that one up.  :)

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