San Francisco Newpaper: Cam Is Better Than Kaepernick

[Gabeking]

Id probably trade our entire WR corps for just Davis and Boldin. Thats how stacked they are.

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[Marvin49]

The reason guy aren't getting open in SF is because Kaep only goes through his first and second progression. That is why Crabtree and Manningham won't matter that much.

Meanwhile Cam has done something Kaep couldn't. Make Ginn look like a viable receiver.

Cam makes his WRs better. I guess Kaep can't do the same in SF.

:cam:

 

LOL.

 

Keep telling yourself that.

 

I just explained the whole "one read" thing, but feel free to ignore.

 

Just one point tho....in 10 games with Kap last year Crabtree had 880 yards and 8 TDs. Thats on pace for a 1400 yards season. With Alex Smith in 9 starts, Crab had 440 yards. In fact, Crab had 5 CAREER 100 yard games prior to Kap taking over and had FIVE 100 yard games in 10 starts with Kap.

 

Kap made him better.

 

Ginn? Please. That guy had MANY seasons and 2 different teams to show something. The guy is BLAZING fast but his issue was an inablity to catch the ball. He's doing will in Carolina? Good for him. Don't tell me its the Kap vs Cam thing when Ginn wasn't even on the field in SF. He couldn't beat out Manningham, Moss, or Williams.

[CPF4LIFE]

So Kap needs about 4 or 5 legit targets to look like he did in the playoffs? Lol do these clowns not realize cam doesn't work with half that and still plays on the same level??

[Marvin49]

So Kap needs about 4 or 5 legit targets to look like he did in the playoffs? Lol do these clowns not realize cam doesn't work with half that and still plays on the same level??

 

No Kap needs a professional football player as the #2 WR.

 

Thats all I'm saying. Its not like Manningham is Andre Johnson. Boldin is so damn slow that a good press corner can remove him from the game. Vernon is a matchup nightmare....but he didn't play against the Colts. Seattle and the LOB smothered the Niners receivers.

 

They've won every other game.

 

Again tho...peeps keep trying to make this Cam vs Kap. That ain't my point. I'm only saying don't take what the Cohns say as gospel. They are morons.

[teeray]

LOL.

Keep telling yourself that.

I just explained the whole "one read" thing, but feel free to ignore.

Just one point tho....in 10 games with Kap last year Crabtree had 880 yards and 8 TDs. Thats on pace for a 1400 yards season. With Alex Smith in 9 starts, Crab had 440 yards. In fact, Crab had 5 CAREER 100 yard games prior to Kap taking over and had FIVE 100 yard games in 10 starts with Kap.

Kap made him better.

Ginn? Please. That guy had MANY seasons and 2 different teams to show something. The guy is BLAZING fast but his issue was an inablity to catch the ball. He's doing will in Carolina? Good for him. Don't tell me its the Kap vs Cam thing when Ginn wasn't even on the field in SF. He couldn't beat out Manningham, Moss, or Williams.

Nobody does pre-snap reads better than Peyton Manning and he consistently goes through progressions.

We do the same thing here in Carolina and Cam has to go through progressions.

Harbaugh has not reinvented the wheel in some super secret offense that only has two progressions.

[Marvin49]

Nobody does pre-snap reads better than Peyton Manning and he consistently goes through progressions.

We do the same thing here in Carolina and Cam has to go through progressions.

Harbaugh has not reinvented the wheel in some super secret offense that only has two progressions.

 

...and you don't know what you are talking about. Thats EXACTLY what he's done.

 

Its different than what Peyton or Cam are running. Look up Todd Mortenson...he was the first QB Harbaugh had at USD.

 

The Niners (and Stanford still BTW...and now the Colts with Pep Hamilton as the OC now) go to the line on every down with 2 or 3 plays called in the huddle. You will see Kap say something like "Let it roll", "Green, Green, Green", or "Kill, Kill, Kill". That signals which play is actually going to be run. There was a tweet last week about how Case Keenum was in his first start and didn't have a wristband with plays on it yet Luck in his second season did. The reason is the mutliple plays in the huddle. Hell, at Stanford, Luck had one and an offensive lineman had another for him to reference because they couldn't get it all on one wristband. No joke.

 

They then run audibles ON TOP OF THAT. It also creates issues with them not getting plays off in time and presents big issues in noisy atmospheres...like Seattle.

 

Moreover, the Niners very often will run jumbo set with 1 or 2 receivers in the pattern. Why? They are running HEAVY play action. They'l go to the line with an extra lineman, 2 TEs a RB and FB...and throw DEEP to Vernon for a score.

 

There are times that there is one viable target to pass to because they rest are there to block downfield. They did that several times for first downs to Crabtree. I'm not talking about flanker screens either. I'm talking passes over the middle.

 

All of this pales in comparision to all the stuff they do in the running game, but thats a whole other subject.

[CatMan72]

Couldn't have said it better myself... Cam is on a different level.

[CRA]

Nobody does pre-snap reads better than Peyton Manning and he consistently goes through progressions.

We do the same thing here in Carolina and Cam has to go through progressions.

Harbaugh has not reinvented the wheel in some super secret offense that only has two progressions.

Kapernick is doing what RGIII did last year. Kapernick is gonna hit a wall the more and more teams adjust. RGIII not Kapernick were asked last year to make the throws and grow as a passer like Newton.

While Newton has erratic days, as a passer, he is far ahead of those two IMO. They both need heavily play action and rushing to set up there one read "systems".

[teeray]

...and you don't know what you are talking about. Thats EXACTLY what he's done.

Its different than what Peyton or Cam are running. Look up Todd Mortenson...he was the first QB Harbaugh had at USD.

The Niners (and Stanford still BTW...and now the Colts with Pep Hamilton as the OC now) go to the line on every down with 2 or 3 plays called in the huddle. You will see Kap say something like "Let it roll", Green, Green, Green", or "Kill, Kill, Kill". That signals which play is actually going to be run. There was a tweet last week about how Case Keenum was in his first start and didn't have a wristband with plays on it yet Harbaugh in his second season did. The reason is the mutliple plays in the huddle. Hell, at stanford, Luck had one and an offensive lineman had another for him to reference because they couldn't get it all on one wristband. No joke.

The then run audibles ON TOP OF THAT.

Moreover, the Niners very often will run jumbo set with 1 or 2 receivers in the pattern. Why? They are running HEAVY play action. They'l go to the line with an extra lineman, 2 TEs a RB and FB...and throw DEEP to Vernon for a score.

There are times that there is one viable target to pass to because they rest are there to block downfield. They did that several times for first downs to Crabtree. I'm not talking about flanker screens either. I'm talking passes over the middle.

All of this pales in comparision to all the stuff they do in the running game, but thats a whole other subject.

Do you really think SF is the only team that does that?

[Marvin49]

Do you really think SF is the only team that does that?

 

Nope.

 

The Colts do too.   :)   Name another.

[CRA]

...and you don't know what you are talking about. Thats EXACTLY what he's done.

Its different than what Peyton or Cam are running. Look up Todd Mortenson...he was the first QB Harbaugh had at USD.

The Niners (and Stanford still BTW...and now the Colts with Pep Hamilton as the OC now) go to the line on every down with 2 or 3 plays called in the huddle. You will see Kap say something like "Let it roll", Green, Green, Green", or "Kill, Kill, Kill". That signals which play is actually going to be run. There was a tweet last week about how Case Keenum was in his first start and didn't have a wristband with plays on it yet Harbaugh in his second season did. The reason is the mutliple plays in the huddle. Hell, at stanford, Luck had one and an offensive lineman had another for him to reference because they couldn't get it all on one wristband. No joke.

The then run audibles ON TOP OF THAT.

Moreover, the Niners very often will run jumbo set with 1 or 2 receivers in the pattern. Why? They are running HEAVY play action. They'l go to the line with an extra lineman, 2 TEs a RB and FB...and throw DEEP to Vernon for a score.

There are times that there is one viable target to pass to because they rest are there to block downfield. They did that several times for first downs to Crabtree. I'm not talking about flanker screens either. I'm talking passes over the middle.

All of this pales in comparision to all the stuff they do in the running game, but thats a whole other subject.

Seems to me.....you think way to highly of what your team does and downplay the rest of the league.

[fieryprophet]

...and you don't know what you are talking about. Thats EXACTLY what he's done.

Its different than what Peyton or Cam are running. Look up Todd Mortenson...he was the first QB Harbaugh had at USD.

The Niners (and Stanford still BTW...and now the Colts with Pep Hamilton as the OC now) go to the line on every down with 2 or 3 plays called in the huddle. You will see Kap say something like "Let it roll", "Green, Green, Green", or "Kill, Kill, Kill". That signals which play is actually going to be run. There was a tweet last week about how Case Keenum was in his first start and didn't have a wristband with plays on it yet Luck in his second season did. The reason is the mutliple plays in the huddle. Hell, at Stanford, Luck had one and an offensive lineman had another for him to reference because they couldn't get it all on one wristband. No joke.

They then run audibles ON TOP OF THAT. It also creates issues with them not gettingplays off in time and presents big issues in noisy atmospheres...like Seattle.

Moreover, the Niners very often will run jumbo set with 1 or 2 receivers in the pattern. Why? They are running HEAVY play action. They'l go to the line with an extra lineman, 2 TEs a RB and FB...and throw DEEP to Vernon for a score.

There are times that there is one viable target to pass to because they rest are there to block downfield. They did that several times for first downs to Crabtree. I'm not talking about flanker screens either. I'm talking passes over the middle.

All of this pales in comparision to all the stuff they do in the running game, but thats a whole other subject.

None of that is remotely as advanced as you imagine. Cam's been going to the line with two calls since he was a rookie, an he does it without a wristband, so he has to remember them both every snap. He audibles as much as 65% of his plays this year with little of the frantic hand-waving Kap does, and he even helps design the gameplan each week.

And kill calls aren't advanced at all, that's standard fare in the NFL. What's abnormal is the 49ers heavy reliance on those plays just to try to isolate their single reads because Kap's not reading past them.

[teeray]

Nope.

The Colts do too. :) Name another.

Mainly almost every team in the NFL.

Two man routes? 3 plays in the huddle? Jumbo formations?

What is unique? We do the same things, except we don't run many jumbo formations outside of the redzone.

Sorry bud, Harbaugh is a good coach, but his offense isn't unique.

[CRA]

None of that is remotely as advanced as you imagine. Cam's been going to the line with two calls since he was a rookie, an he does it without a wristband, so he has to remember them both every snap. He audibles as much as 65% of his plays this year with little of the frantic hand-waving Kap does, and he even helps design the gameplan each week.

And kill calls aren't advanced at all, that's standard fare in the NFL. What's abnormal is the 49ers heavy reliance on those plays just to try to isolate their single reads because Kap's not reading past them.

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