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Jonathon Martin

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If these new allegations are true and Martin leaves the Dolphins, I'll take Martin.  In normal situations, if someone was messing with you, you would fight them back.  Yet when faced with unexpected situations, like facing serious racial discimination type stuff or what have you, it's not uncommon if a person doesn't quite know how to handle it.  I don't know if Martin is a gentle giant or not, refusing to fight someone, but I can understand if he didn't quite know how to handle discrimination.  Plus like with everyone been saying, he would be an upgrade at RT.

 

 

Yet whether or not these allegations are true, most of the league hate Ritchie's guts anyway.  They were looking for a reason to take it to him.  For Incognito's safety, this suspension was probably for the best.  I was fully expecting the Panthers to target him when they played the Dolphins.

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Sounds like he's a huge puss....

 

sounds more like incognito needs to get his ass kicked.

 

blaming the the guy getting bullied for getting bullied is almost as bad as blaming a rape victim for getting raped.

 

abuse is abuse and the abuser is always the one to blame and is always the one who should be punished. it's unfortunate that society blames the weak or those who won't or can't fight back for getting taken advantage of.

 

it's not surprising that there are those who blame martin for this happening.

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sounds more like incognito needs to get his ass kicked.

 

blaming the the guy getting bullied for getting bullied is almost as bad as blaming a rape victim for getting raped.

 

abuse is abuse and the abuser is always the one to blame and is always the one who should be punished. it's unfortunate that society blames the weak or those who won't or can't fight back for getting taken advantage of.

 

it's not surprising that there are those who blame martin for this happening.

 

 

These guys are gigantic grown men.  Nobody should be able to bully an NFL offensive lineman.  Did the guy not think he was going to get hazed as a rookie?  It happens to everyone.

 

Granted, Incognito is a world-renowned a$$hole... so maybe he took it too far... but if anyone should have kicked Incognito's ass, it's Martin.

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These guys are gigantic grown men.  Nobody should be able to bully an NFL offensive lineman.  Did the guy not think he was going to get hazed as a rookie?  It happens to everyone.

 

Granted, Incognito is a world-renowned a$$hole... so maybe he took it too far... but if anyone should have kicked Incognito's ass, it's Martin.

 

Everyone's not wired the same as you, Mr. Tough Guy.

 

Martin didn't want to put up with it anymore, so he removed himself from the situation. Seems like a normal, mature way of handling it to me.

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These guys are gigantic grown men.  Nobody should be able to bully an NFL offensive lineman.  Did the guy not think he was going to get hazed as a rookie?  It happens to everyone.

 

Granted, Incognito is a world-renowned a$$hole... so maybe he took it too far... but if anyone should have kicked Incognito's ass, it's Martin.

 

he's not a rookie.

 

and it wasn't just incognito against martin. incognito had guys who didn't just allow it to happen, but rode on his coattails and took advantage of it. there was no one in there pulling the reigns back. nobody did anything.

 

and martin might be a pacifist. i think he put up with it as long as he could and then just walked away.

 

either way, i'm not going to look down on martin for not fighting back. i think what he did was probably the best way to handle incognito. if he had fought back. if he had pushed incognito back physically and just kicked his ass, what would have happened to martin? sure, he might have some respect from others, but he would also be seen by many, including probably the league and maybe the judicial system as the aggressor.

 

by just taking it for a while and seeing that the team's leadership wasn't going to do anything and then walking out he shown a huge light on the organization and incognito himself. had he fought incognito and kicked his ass, incognito might have been seen as a sympathetic character. now, tho, incognito looks like just a pathetic excuse for a human and a very small man.

 

sometimes there are better/smarter ways of handling a bully than using force. sometimes it's the only recourse. in this situation, it very well could be that not using force was the smarter way to go because martin won't be getting fined by the league and won't be facing possible legal problems while incognito is suspended indefinitely and quite possibly forever and may be facing legal problems.

 

people got upset at joe paterno for knowing and doing nothing. you have to know that there were those within the organization who knew what incognito was doing and who did nothing. i have a hard time believing that incognito hasn't done this before to others and it's only a matter of time before others come forward.

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In many teams linemen stick together and in the clicks of locker rooms I could easily seen Incognito leading the rest of a small group in making Martin's life miserable.  Others may have thought it was just harmless hazing but that's how Bully's survive.

 

Anyone blaming Martin or saying he needs to be a man and throw fists isn't grown up enough to understand the situation.  They don't understand what being surrounded by peers that condone it or the buildup of psychological pressure from contantly dealing with it.  Or, as seems in this case, actual threats and extoration.  In the adult world people don't solve their problems by fist fights. 

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What a bizzare story.  It's ashame that some people can't stand up for themselves and can be taken advantage of like this.  I feel bad for Martin but if someone told me I had to pick up a $30,000 tab I would politely tell them to f*ck off.

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What a bizzare story.  It's ashame that some people can't stand up for themselves and can be taken advantage of like this.  I feel bad for Martin but if someone told me I had to pick up a $30,000 tab I would politely tell them to f*ck off.

I think it is a shame that people would get off forcefully taking advantage of someone else--not that he didn't stand up for himself. 

 

Step one is understanding what they real problem is.

 

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