Beason Compensation: 7th round pick

[Mr. Scot]

I can't get behind this. It's not because of the player he used to be. He still is a great NFL player. He's single handedly changed the Giants defense.

 

And it's not fair to compare him to Ed Reed. He's still in his prime age. If Ed Reed was to be traded in 2007, you think the Ravens would have taken a 7th for him?

 

And yes, he didn't look great this year, but he didn't look terrible. I wouldn't expect him to look like the same player, considering he was playing his first 3-4 games after two years of rehabbing an injury. You don't give up on a player because he doesn't look like the same All-Pro after missing two years. If we used that logic, how many legends would've been out of the league before really turning it on?

 

I'm not saying we should've tried to trade him to someone else or even trying to say we should've fished for a higher pick, but I think it's silly that people are trying to justify this as a good trade. It wasn't a good trade on our side. This "at least we got something" logic is bullsh*t. He's worth more on our bench than a 7th rounder, simple as. You don't get great backups, leadership, mentors, and plug-in players in the 7th round...

 

With that said, I'm really glad Jon is killing it elsewhere, but we got the short end of the stick here.

 

We didn't "give up on him".  We accommodated his wish to be traded.

 

And no, a guy who doesn't wanna be here because he isn't starting is not worth more than a 7th rounder.

 

Nobody else was gonna offer higher picks for him.  If you think otherwise, again, look back at the list and tell me who.

[Seal (SmittyIsOurSavior)]

We didn't "give up on him".  We accommodated his wish to be traded.

 

And no, a guy who doesn't wanna be here because he isn't starting is not worth more than a 7th rounder.

 

Nobody else was gonna offer higher picks for him.  If you think otherwise, again, look back at the list and tell me who.

 

He's worth more than a 7th as a starter or as a backup. It's as simple as that. I'm glad he got to go somewhere to start, but we got gypped in this trade. He's worth more than that. He knows it, the Giants know it, we know it.

 

It's not a matter of who or where we would've gotten it from. It's a matter of worth, and Jon Beason should be valued higher than a 7th round pick. I'm not necessarily arguing the trade, moreso arguing those who pretend like we got a great deal because we were able to get anything at all. No, we got a terrible one sided deal. Plain and simple.

[xtheronx]

Actually, Reed is a very good example. No one would have just let him go if he were still the player he used to be, but he isn't. And that's exactly the point you're missing with Beason.

Still one of the best in the NFL? Wouldn't bet on that. Still good enough to play well? Yeah, but "best in the NFL"? That's blatant homerism. "A linebacker of beast's caliber" tells me you've got the homer glasses on too. "Common sense and precedent" tell me we're lucky we got anything. And the story about what happened was printed in The Observer.

Pretty clear from this and your other posts that you're still seeing the Beason of 2010. The Beason of 2013 is still a good player, but nowhere near "best in the NFL". The only people who would still make that judgment are Panther fans.

You're not going to get it until you let go of the emotion and see him for what he is now, not what he once was.

To date, you've yet to show that you can do that.

Look back at the list of potential trading partners and tell me all the guys on that list who he's better than right now, not three years ago (and try doing so without the homer glasses).

Reed is a bad example because the Ravens didn't trade him for a 7th - they kept him so he could help them win a Super Bowl

Also, I'm not saying "Beason is the best ever" I'm saying he's a GREAT MLB .. like I said previously - he's outperformed Keek since being traded (and like I also said - I'm not suggesting he's better than Keek - just making a point)

precedent says you get a guy like Colin for a 7th - not a former probowler MLB like Beason potentially still in his prime .. say he's washed up all you want - but the numbers don't lie!

do you have a link to that Observer article - I've searched and can't find it - I would love to read it - seriously

The "you're being a homer" argument is so easy and lazy - I know you can do better than that

and I'm not suggesting there were better trading partners - I'm saying we should've kept him instead of drafting the next nameless practice squad guy in the 7th round while making a team in the same conference better at the same time

why does not wanting to accept mediocracy mean you're a homer? lol

I would think a homer would be happy with mediocracy

[xtheronx]

I'll take your "nana nana boo boo, you didn't win the thread!" response as a confirmation that you have no argument. Have a beer or something, life is good. I can guarantee you that Beason isn't currently curled up in a corner somewhere sobbing like a child because he got traded.

I'm waiting on a response from you from like 5 posts ago - yeah it's def beer time

[Mr. Scot]

He's worth more than a 7th as a starter or as a backup. It's as simple as that. I'm glad he got to go somewhere to start, but we got gypped in this trade. He's worth more than that. He knows it, the Giants know it, we know it.

 

It's not a matter of who or where we would've gotten it from. It's a matter of worth, and Jon Beason should be valued higher than a 7th round pick. I'm not necessarily arguing the trade, moreso arguing those who pretend like we got a great deal because we were able to get anything at all. No, we got a terrible one sided deal. Plain and simple.

 

So he's worth more 'just because he is" :unsure:

 

You do understand these trades aren't just made out into the ether right?

 

A specific team has to be willing to make a specific offer for him. And they don't do that because someone is "just worth it".  They do it because they have a need, and enough of a need that they're willing to give something up to get that player.

 

This is the real world, not Madden.  You're trading with a person, not an AI.

[Mr. Scot]

Reed is a bad example because the Ravens didn't trade him for a 7th - they kept him so he could help them win a Super Bowl

Also, I'm not saying "Beason is the best ever" I'm saying he's a GREAT MLB .. like I said previously - he's outperformed Keek since being traded (and like I also said - I'm not suggesting he's better than Keek - just making a point)

precedent says you get a guy like Colin for a 7th - not a former probowler MLB like Beason potentially still in his prime .. say he's washed up all you want - but the numbers don't lie!

do you have a link to that Observer article - I've searched and can't find it - I would love to read it - seriously

The "you're being a homer" argument is so easy and lazy - I know you can do better than that

and I'm not suggesting there were better trading partners - I'm saying we should've kept him instead of drafting the next nameless practice squad guy in the 7th round while making a team in the same conference better at the same time

why does not wanting to accept mediocracy mean you're a homer? lol

I would think a homer would be happy with mediocracy

 

Do you really wanna base part of your argument on a comparison of Beason and Kuechly?  :wacko:

 

in the real world, "former Pro Bowler" isn't worth squat, especially when the 'former' was three years ago.  Heck, Carson Palmer is a former Pro Bowler.  Ya wanna make an offer for him?

 

And if, as you admit, there weren't better trading partners available, then who exactly is supposed to offer us this better trade you think we could have gotten? Santa Claus? :unsure:

 

If you guys can't frame this in real world terms, your argument is completely without merit.

 

[xtheronx]

Do you really wanna base part of your argument on a comparison of Beason and Kuechly? :wacko:

in the real world, "former Pro Bowler" isn't worth squat, especially when the 'former' was three years ago. Heck, Carson Palmer is a former Pro Bowler. Ya wanna make an offer for him?

And if, as you admit, there weren't better trading partners available, then who exactly is supposed to offer us this better trade you think we could have gotten? Santa Claus? :unsure:

If you guys can't frame this in real world terms, your argument is completely without merit.

great comparison with Palmer - the "former probowler" coming off an injury (sounds familiar) was traded for:

2 potential first round picks

obviously there's no way in he11 we could get that for Beason - but it implies that there was a possibility to gain more

as far as the homer thing - I'm starting to think the people defending this trade are homers - homers usually defend these types of deals because they've got blinders on

[xtheronx]

Do you really wanna base part of your argument on a comparison of Beason and Kuechly? :wacko:

in the real world, "former Pro Bowler" isn't worth squat, especially when the 'former' was three years ago. Heck, Carson Palmer is a former Pro Bowler. Ya wanna make an offer for him?

And if, as you admit, there weren't better trading partners available, then who exactly is supposed to offer us this better trade you think we could have gotten? Santa Claus? :unsure:

If you guys can't frame this in real world terms, your argument is completely without merit.

and .. in every post I've made - I've said that I don't know if there were better trading partners and neither do you

what I did say is that I would have kept him on the roster rather than trade him for a 7th round pick while simultaneously helping a conference rival get much much better on defense

[Seal (SmittyIsOurSavior)]

So he's worth more 'just because he is" :unsure:

 

You do understand these trades aren't just made out into the ether right?

 

A specific team has to be willing to make a specific offer for him. And they don't do that because someone is "just worth it".  They do it because they have a need, and enough of a need that they're willing to give something up to get that player.

 

This is the real world, not Madden.  You're trading with a person, not an AI.

 

Clearly you don't understand what I'm trying to say here...

[Mr. Scot]

great comparison with Palmer - the "former probowler" coming off an injury (sounds familiar) was traded for:

2 potential first round picks

obviously there's no way in he11 we could get that for Beason - but it implies that there was a possibility to gain more

as far as the homer thing - I'm starting to think the people defending this trade are homers - homers usually defend these types of deals because they've got blinders on

 

I'm talking about Carson Palmer now.  And it's consistent with the mistake you keep making, talking about who they used to be rather than who they are.

 

 

and .. in every post I've made - I've said that I don't know if there were better trading partners and neither do you

what I did say is that I would have kept him on the roster rather than trade him for a 7th round pick while simultaneously helping a conference rival get much much better on defense

 

So again, you don't know that there are better trading partners, but at the same time you're absolutely certain that "somebody: would have made a better offer.

 

There is no "somebody".  There are only the real live NFL teams.  I've listed them out for you.  Show me who would have been ready to make a better offer.

 

If you can't produce a real world argument, you lose.

[Mr. Scot]

Clearly you don't understand what I'm trying to say here...

 

Actually, the problem is that I do.

 

The only bullet you've got in your gun is that he should have netted a higher pick because HE'S JON $#@%ING BEASON!  THAT'S WHY!

 

Cool...except he's not.  He used to be, but he isn't that guy anymore.

 

He wasn't the player he used to be.

 

He was gonna be gone at season's end with nothing in return.

 

He wasn't good enough to start for the Panthers at middle linebacker or outside.

 

He wasn't content to ride the bench as a backup here.

 

He wanted to go somewhere where he could start again.

 

He asked to have that chance, and the team said okay.

 

Only one team had a situation that would have given him what he wanted. 

 

We traded him to that team, and got a pick higher than what anyone else was likely to offer.

 

Those are the facts.

 

You wanna debate them?  Ya gotta give me something better than "he used to be great".

 

Try this: Call up an NFL GM.  Ask him "Hey, what'll you give me for a guy that was a Pro Bowler three years ago but who's been on IR for the past two seasons and isn't playing that well this season?"  If you get a better offer than a 7th, I'll be impressed.

[xtheronx]

I'm talking about Carson Palmer now. And it's consistent with the mistake you keep making, talking about who they used to be rather than who they are.

So again, you don't know that there are better trading partners, but at the same time you're absolutely certain that "somebody: would have made a better offer.

There is no "somebody". There are only the real live NFL teams. I've listed them out for you. Show me who would have been ready to make a better offer.

If you can't produce a real world argument, you lose.

dang Scott - what you sippin' on?

I'm not going to restate for the 100th time what I've already said .. you're getting weaker in each post and honestly I'm kinda disappointed in you

also - I'm still waiting on that "Observer article"

[R0CKnR0LLA]

keep fighting the good fight mr scot

[MadHatter]

dang Scott - what you sippin' on?

I'm not going to restate for the 100th time what I've already said .. you're getting weaker in each post and honestly I'm kinda disappointed in you

also - I'm still waiting on that "Observer article"

You have said it 100 times...and you have been wrong 100 times.

This ain't Seinfeld....saying it over and over won't make it the truth.