Beason Compensation: 7th round pick

[TheRed]

are you claiming you know more than Madden?

glad to know that some on here believe everything they're told - "if we got a 7th then apparently there is no way in he11 we could've gotten more - Getts is God and Beason sux"

If you could take the first step by removing your emotion about Beason from the equation here, you would begin to understand.

[thefuzz]

nobody is claiming to be brillaint - they're saying based on precedent we received less for Beast than we should have

and it's suspicious that this great deal was brokered to G's former team .. and maybe he gave them a discount

the same could be said for the "brilliant minds" that say our compensation was sufficient and are happy with "good enough" - everyone has their opinion and that's why we're here

 

 

It really isn't.

 

Off the top of my head, if I were to think of a couple of squads that Beason would fit on, it would be the Giants and the Bears.  Maybe Vikings, but I don't get to watch them too much.

 

Beason can't play the 34, and can't play outside.  He has to play the Mike.

 

Jon (as good as he was) had lost his job twice, and wanted out.  The other teams out there pay their GM's top money too.

[xtheronx]

Here's where I can tell you haven't read the actual story.

There were no rumors that Beason was on the trade block because he wasn't. After he got benched in the Giants game, he walked in to Rivera's office and said "I want to be a starter". Rivera said "that's not gonna happen here". So he said "trade me somewhere that it could".

And so they did. Thing was, there was only one team with a bad enough situation that they would be willing to give something up for Beason, and that just happened to be the Giants. If you doubt that, look back at the list I posted and point out to me what 4-3, non-division team had a worse starting MLB than Mark Herzlich.

Sorry, but if you can't do that, you don't have an argument.

How about the fact that he was benched in favor of Chase Blackburn? And frankly, it was the right call.

Would I rather have Beason as a backup? Sure, but he wasn't willing to do that. And yes, he was playing badly at OLB. Go back and watch the games on replay and look for him. You'll see it for yourself (if you're willing to watch objectively).

That's the thing. We're not the loser on this deal.

In fact, there honestly isn't one. Beason gets to move back to the middle and start again. The Giants get a better player than what they had. We get a pick for a backup that was probably gonna walk away for nothing at the end of the season anyway.

And again, if you think there was someone who had enough need to make a better offer, look back at the list and show me where. If all you've got is "well, somebody would have", sorry but that's nothing. Gimme a real world answer or none at all.

And herein lies the crux of it all...

Your definition of "a guy like Beast" is clouded by fan sentiment.

That guy you remember? He wasn't that guy anymore. If he were, we wouldn't be having this discussion. And here's the thing: Nobody in the league trades for what you used to be. They trade only for what you are right now.

To us he's 'The Beast' because we remember how he used to play. To the rest of the league, he's a guy who's no longer what he once was, hasn't been relevant for two seasons and who lost his starting job at two different positions, the second time to a journeyman type player.

He's just not an OLB, he's not a good enough MLB to start over Luke, and he wanted out. We let him go and got something back, and were probably lucky to do so.

That's it :unsure:

Heck, the Ravens got nothing back for Ed Reed. Fans might say "How can you let a guy like Ed Reed walk?" The answer: Because he isn't 'Ed Reed' anymore. And that's the answer with Beason too.

Sucks, but that's reality.

you know the Reed situation is not a good comparison - he walked after his contract was up and he's old

you keep saying Beast is washed up but he's not - in fact he's led the Giants in tackles 2 of last 3 games I believe - and had more tackles than Keek in the same span

I'm not suggesting he replace Keek I'm simply saying he's not washed up

At MLB Beast is still one of the best in the NFL - that's not being a homer - the numbers speak for themself

a MLB of Beast's caliber is certainly worth more than a 7th

G gave his former team a discount - how much of a discount? I have no idea - I'm not an NFL exec - but common sense and precedent says he did

Who are your sources regarding the info regarding that he walked into Riv's office after the Giants game and demanded a trade? How about that he was a problem in the locker room?

Absolutely does not sound like Beast - he's not that guy

I'm would have no prob with the trade if it were fair (or even) - no homerism here - just tired of feeling like we are getting raped by other teams

[xtheronx]

If you could take the first step by removing your emotion about Beason from the equation here, you would begin to understand.

no emotion for Beast here - just don't like giving away players to competitors

What's wrong with disagreeing with the trade? It's the same as you agreeing with it.

IMO we could've gotten more which is equivalent to you saying we got enough - neither of us really know - we're using our best judgments as fans

you should remove your emotion from the equation as a fan and you'd begin to understand

[Seal (SmittyIsOurSavior)]

Here's a thorough summary of what's wrong about the "bad deal" logic.

"He was an all-pro linebacker, post injury or not". Yeah, that's fan logic at it's finest. No GM in the league is going to set the value they're willing to trade for him based on how good he used to be. Using that logic, Ed Reed would be worth a first round pick (have you seen Ed Reed lately?)

"He could also be starting somewhere in the league." Really? Where? Are the Seahawks gonna start him over Bobby Wagner, or the Vikings over Erin Henderson? I gave a list of all the teams running a 4-3 out of our division. Show me out of that group who Beason starts over. And remember it's the Beason of 2013 you're comparing, not 2019 (Hint: There's nobody. If you just pick a name you're not familiar with, it'll look silly).

"He wasn't a terrible player at OLB." Seriously? You wanna argue Beason looked good at OLB this year? That's pretty much a credibility killer, especially seeing as he was benched before he was traded. And no, that wasn't in preparation for the trad because he didn't ask to be traded until after that happened.

So to sum it all up, no acknowledgment of current reality, evaluating through the eyes of a fan, and appealing to "somebody" rather than looking at the actual teams involved. Yep, pretty consistent with all of the other "bad deal" proponents so far. And thus, just as weak.

The whole argument truly comes down to a single point: "We should have gotten a higher pick in trade because he used to be a great linebacker."

Get it through your heads, guys. Nobody trades for who somebody used to be.

 

I can't get behind this. It's not because of the player he used to be. He still is a great NFL player. He's single handedly changed the Giants defense.

 

And it's not fair to compare him to Ed Reed. He's still in his prime age. If Ed Reed was to be traded in 2007, you think the Ravens would have taken a 7th for him?

 

And yes, he didn't look great this year, but he didn't look terrible. I wouldn't expect him to look like the same player, considering he was playing his first 3-4 games after two years of rehabbing an injury. You don't give up on a player because he doesn't look like the same All-Pro after missing two years. If we used that logic, how many legends would've been out of the league before really turning it on?

 

I'm not saying we should've tried to trade him to someone else or even trying to say we should've fished for a higher pick, but I think it's silly that people are trying to justify this as a good trade. It wasn't a good trade on our side. This "at least we got something" logic is bullsh*t. He's worth more on our bench than a 7th rounder, simple as. You don't get great backups, leadership, mentors, and plug-in players in the 7th round...

 

With that said, I'm really glad Jon is killing it elsewhere, but we got the short end of the stick here.

[TheRed]

no emotion for Beast here - just don't like giving away players to competitors

What's wrong with disagreeing with the trade? It's the same as you agreeing with it.

IMO we could've gotten more which is equivalent to you saying we got enough - neither of us really know - we're using our best judgments as fans

you should remove your emotion from the equation as a fan and you'd begin to understand

We got what we got. It isn't changing. Deal with it.

[xtheronx]

We got what we got. It isn't changing. Deal with it.

so what's the point of the Huddlez then? I love how people always default to this when they run out of things to say

obviously you visit this interwebz thingamajig here to talk about why this was a fair/unfair trade - you trying to put the Huddlez outta business by just being okay with whatever the organization does and not talk or debate it?

What's next - are we gonna trade Zod for a 7th?

[TheRed]

so what's the point of the Huddlez then? I love how people always default to this when they run out of things to say

obviously you visit this interwebz thingamajig here to talk about why this was a fair/unfair trade - you trying to put the Huddlez outta business by just being okay with whatever the organization does and not talk or debate it?

What's next - are we gonna trade Zod for a 7th?

We all come here to talk about the Panthers. Guess who Jon Beason now plays for? I'll give you a hint, it isn't the Panthers.

[KaseKlosed]

[xtheronx]

We all come here to talk about the Panthers. Guess who Jon Beason now plays for? I'll give you a hint, it isn't the Panthers.

dude one of the most popular threads right now is about Delhomme - guess who he plays for? Hint: rhymes with snowone

if you're saying the Beason trade is irrelevant then I see the correlation behind you also saying a 7th was proper compensation

[TheRed]

dude one of the most popular threads right now is about Delhomme - guess who he plays for? Hint: rhymes with snowone

if you're saying the Beason trade is irrelevant then I see the correlation behind you also saying a 7th was proper compensation

That thread has three pages and is near the bottom lol, this one is heading for 15.

Am I happy that Beason is gone? Absolutely not. Have I accepted it? Yes. Am I ready for our game tomorrow with the Falcons? Yes.

There's no sense acting like a spiteful ex about this, and unless you have a time machine, you aren't changing it. Let it go.

[xtheronx]

That thread has three pages and is near the bottom lol, this one is heading for 15.

Am I happy that Beason is gone? Absolutely not. Have I accepted it? Yes. Am I ready for our game tomorrow with the Falcons? Yes.

There's no sense acting like a spiteful ex about this, and unless you have a time machine, you aren't changing it. Let it go.

no reason for fellow huddlers to get nippy at each other - I enjoy the debate but not the childishness

btw I do own a time machine - what's ya got to say now? obviously I'll never let you use it

you should let this thread go because it seems like you're losing

[Mr. Scot]

you know the Reed situation is not a good comparison - he walked after his contract was up and he's old

you keep saying Beast is washed up but he's not - in fact he's led the Giants in tackles 2 of last 3 games I believe - and had more tackles than Keek in the same span

I'm not suggesting he replace Keek I'm simply saying he's not washed up

At MLB Beast is still one of the best in the NFL - that's not being a homer - the numbers speak for themself

a MLB of Beast's caliber is certainly worth more than a 7th

G gave his former team a discount - how much of a discount? I have no idea - I'm not an NFL exec - but common sense and precedent says he did

Who are your sources regarding the info regarding that he walked into Riv's office after the Giants game and demanded a trade? How about that he was a problem in the locker room?

Absolutely does not sound like Beast - he's not that guy

I'm would have no prob with the trade if it were fair (or even) - no homerism here - just tired of feeling like we are getting raped by other teams

 

Actually, Reed is a very good example.  No one would have just let him go if he were still the player he used to be, but he isn't.  And that's exactly the point you're missing with Beason.

 

Still one of the best in the NFL?  Wouldn't bet on that.  Still good enough to play well?  Yeah, but "best in the NFL"?  That's blatant homerism.  "A linebacker of beast's caliber" tells me you've got the homer glasses on too.  "Common sense and precedent" tell me we're lucky we got anything.  And the story about what happened was printed in The Observer.

 

Pretty clear from this and your other posts that you're still seeing the Beason of 2010.  The Beason of 2013 is still a good player, but nowhere near "best in the NFL".  The only people who would still make that judgment are Panther fans.

 

You're not going to get it until you let go of the emotion and see him for what he is now, not what he once was.

 

To date, you've yet to show that you can do that.

 

Look back at the list of potential trading partners and tell me all the guys on that list who he's better than right now, not three years ago (and try doing so without the homer glasses).

 

[TheRed]

no reason for fellow huddlers to get nippy at each other - I enjoy the debate but not the childishness

btw I do own a time machine - what's ya got to say now? obviously I'll never let you use it

you should let this thread go because it seems like you're losing

I'll take your "nana nana boo boo, you didn't win the thread!" response as a confirmation that you have no argument. Have a beer or something, life is good. I can guarantee you that Beason isn't currently curled up in a corner somewhere sobbing like a child because he got traded.