Charles Johnson Getting Some MMQB Love

[MHS831]

Those that think we vastly overpaid for CJ fall into 2 categories:

 

1) People that really don't have a full appreciation for the overall play of DE's, focusing strictly on sacks

 

or

 

2) People that don't know the market value of premier DE's.

 

Sure, maybe we could have shaved a million a year off his contract, but it's not like very good DE's are falling off trees, and the good ones cost money. After QB and maybe LT, it is arguably the most important position on the field.

 

I personally thought we overpaid at the time (stil do), but it was not for either reason--it was that he had only 1 good year before we gave him the $$ and the only competition for him seemed to be cap-strapped Atlanta at the time.  However, Marty was spending like a drunk teenager with daddy's credit card, so....glad he's here now that the has shown

A. Money didn''t change him (Albert Haynesworth)

B.  His "one-hit wonder" year proved to be the first solid year, not the only solid year.

[MHS831]

Final point:  It is not fair to compare our DEs to some of the others' sack totals and use that number to determine the player's worth.  Johnson is equally good at stuffing the run.  Other pass rushers do not have run gap responsibilities like our DEs.  They just line up wide and fire into the backfield every play.  A quick look at tackle totals is revealing.

[Marguide]

Yeah the last couple years here he stopped caring so it was easy to say bye to him. But when he was younger and was racking up 16 sacks with ease. He was literally unstoppable

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Except for the fact he never had 16 sacks in a season.

 

His high was 14.5 in 2008. He has averaged less than 10 per year in his career.

[iamhubby1]

Yeah I don't know of any other defensive end the could chase down micheal vick in the open field in his prime. Peppers was an absolute freak. Even more so than clowney or anybody else that has come out.

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You make a valid point to prove your argument. Then negate it by going there. Clowney is still a question mark, but he is intriguing. Ansah may be raw, but the kid can get after a QB. He played soccer before football. Miller has been a force since joining the league. Lots of freaks out there. But yeah, Pep was the whole package, just a bigger package than folks were used to seeing.

Granted Pep was capable of having a HOF career. You would think a player with his ability, would set the world on fire, or even redefine the position. It just never materialized.

We gots lots of moments. And stretches of greatness. Just too damm many "Where's Peppers?" moments, or stretches, or hellz, even years, and way too few WOW years.

I would love a sit down with Pep. Would love to get some answers. But...to tell the truth, I only think about him when one of you yahoos bring him up, or Chi. and him get some coverage. So, I guess it is less important that in used to be.

 

 

One is a 6 time All-Pro, the other has never made an All-Pro team. I think that says enough within itself.

 

Not to mention that one is very likely headed to the Hall of Fame as arguably the most accomplished and praised defensive lineman of the 2000's, whilst the other is likely just another guy after he retires.

He had 5 of those with us. 1 in 3+ years in Chi, You would think a player with his talent would be better than that.

Not sure he is a lock for the HOF. He only avgs 9 sacks a year. With his reputation, are his other attributes great enough to overlook this low number of sacks. He is going to be remembered for being a great athlete, with lower numbers than you would expect.

[Seal (SmittyIsOurSavior)]

He had 5 of those with us. 1 in 3+ years in Chi, You would think a player with his talent would be better than that.

Not sure he is a lock for the HOF. He only avgs 9 sacks a year. With his reputation, are his other attributes great enough to overlook this low number of sacks. He is going to be remembered for being a great athlete, with lower numbers than you would expect.

 

Right, other guys have had better numbers and have done it in a less flashy manner, but people will remember Julius Peppers. They'll remember the name 20 years down the line, remember him as the "premier" pass rushers of the 2000-2010 decade. Were other guys better? You could argue that Jared Allen, Dwight Freeney, Joey Porter, Demarcus Ware, etc etc, but the name that will be remembered is Julius Peppers.

[DaveThePanther2008]

which of the five

 

Any of them.  There is a couple he had last year where I felt it.

[RoaringRiot]

You can't say Pep didn't live up to expectations or didn't play up to his potential as the reason why he's not as good as CJ. Sorry you're disappointed in him or sorry that your UNC hate causes you judge blindly, but Pep was a great player. I love CJ and I certainly think he's on his way, but he is not Pep. Fugging period!

[X-Clown]

Whether CJ is as good or better than peppers in his prime is irrelevant.

What is a fact is that right now CJ is the better player, by a lot, especially with salary considerations. I'm really glad that pep didn't want to stay because Hurney would have given him about the same deal he got in Chicago. Imagine how pissed we would all be if peppers was playing for us this season and only had one sack while CJ was continuing to produce like this in Atlanta.

[RoaringRiot]

Whether CJ is as good or better than peppers in his prime is irrelevant.

What is a fact is that right now CJ is the better player, by a lot, especially with salary considerations. I'm really glad that pep didn't want to stay because Hurney would have given him about the same deal he got in Chicago. Imagine how pissed we would all be if peppers was playing for us this season and only had one sack while CJ was continuing to produce like this in Atlanta.

Completely agree