Zac Stacy is an example of how poorly managed our Rb contracts are.

[CRA]

Get off of your soap box OP. Zac Stacey doesn't even compare to the RB D-Will and J-Stew are.

Present day? Zac only his this year as his body of work......not sure anyone can say Williams or Stewart look better in 2013.

[panthers55]

I said....technically, our RBs only have 1 more TD than the Rams RBs.

Technically the Rams RBs have 0

Technically our RBs have 1

Our QB and FB have all our rushing TDs but 1. We have two RBs paid featured RB money....this thread was about bad RB contracts being poorly managed (not Cam and Tolbert rushing)

When I said technically, it was to imply I was going to speak on a technicality.

  http://www.livestrong.com/article/470925-types-of-football-running-backs/

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_back

 

 

Technically our running backs include Tolbert, Williams, Stewarts, Barner.  But fullbacks, tailbacks and halfbacks are all considers running backs. If a fullback never does anything but block you could say they are not a running back but Tolbert has 51 carries which is good for second on the team which surely qualifies as a running back.  So no matter what you think that would be 4 TDs as a minimum.  

 

Like usual you have no idea what you are talking about and your logic is convoluted at best.

[CRA]

http://www.livestrong.com/article/470925-types-of-football-running-backs/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_back

Technically our running backs include Tolbert, Williams, Stewarts, Barner. But fullbacks, tailbacks and halfbacks are all considers running backs. If a fullback never does anything but block you could say they are not a running back but Tolbert has 51 carries which is good for second on the team which surely qualifies as a running back. So no matter what you think that would be 4 TDs as a minimum.

Like usual you have no idea what you are talking about and your logic is convoluted at best.

Okay.....

technically, our halfbacks have 1 more TD than the Rams halfbacks who have zero......

thread is about poor halfback contracts.....which we have. We have 2 featured paid on the roster......

Logic says the contracts and value we are getting......is bad.

This thread isn't about our collective rush....and what Cam and Tolbert do.

[CRA]

2013

Cam/Tolbert - 411 rush yards, 6 rush TDs

Williams/Stewart -477 rush yards, 1 TD

2012

Cam/Tolbert - 923 rush yards, 15 rush TDs

Williams/Stewart - 1073 rush yards, 6 rush TDs

That isn't what you want based on what we pay.....

Thread isn't about how good our collective rush attack is......

Combined, Double Trouble doesn't equal one elite featured RB salary/cap hit......poorly managed contracts. Most of our ground production overall (yards AND TDs) comes from Tolbert /Cam. We ( as a Front office), could of handled it much better.

We could get yardage between the 20s cheaper.....and used that cap/money elsewhere. Call it hindsight if you wish.....but they were bad deals based on what has gone down and is.

[panthers55]

Okay.....

technically, our halfbacks have 1 more TD than the Rams halfbacks who have zero......

thread is about poor halfback contracts.....which we have. We have 2 featured paid on the roster......

Logic says the contracts and value we are getting......is bad.

This thread isn't about our collective rush....and what Cam and Tolbert do.

You are the one that makes everything about poor halfback contracts and keeps beating the same dead horse over and over. 

The rest of us are talking about having a good running game and having a balanced attack which has served us very well this year.  Something a lot of other teams wish they had.  As for whether Stacy is how we should go, that would be great in hindsight if we can know before hand who is going to pan out and who isn't.  

[panthers55]

2013

Cam/Tolbert - 411 rush yards, 6 rush TDs

Williams/Stewart -477 rush yards, 1 TD

2012

Cam/Tolbert - 923 rush yards, 15 rush TDs

Williams/Stewart - 1073 rush yards, 6 rush TDs

That isn't what you want based on what we pay.....

Thread isn't about how good our collective rush attack is......

Combined, Double Trouble doesn't equal one elite featured RB salary/cap hit......poorly managed contracts. Most of our ground production overall (yards AND TDs) comes from Tolbert /Cam. We ( as a Front office), could of handled it much better.

We could get yardage between the 20s cheaper.....and used that cap/money elsewhere. Call it hindsight if you wish.....but they were bad deals based on what has gone down and is.

So this again?  Haven't we beat this up over and over?  Why do you keep it up? 

 

This thread needs to be about how our combined running attack is very good and productive.  Who wants to read the same old tired threads you constantly harp on over and over. If you say it 50 times does it change anything or not.  If not then this thread should be about something more positive.  Your constant bitching about contracts given out years ago by a GM who is long gone gets really old.  

[CRA]

So this again? Haven't we beat this up over and over? Why do you keep it up?

This thread needs to be about how our combined running attack is very good and productive. Who wants to read the same old tired threads you constantly harp on over and over. If you say it 50 times does it change anything or not. If not then this thread should be about something more positive. Your constant bitching about contracts given out years ago by a GM who is long gone gets really old.

I didn't start this thread...I have maybe 3 posts in it.

You want to start a thread about how good our collective rush attack is.....do it. I'm on board bc if the discussion is just how good it is.....I think it is great.

If we get a healthy 28 back I think we can be better than 2011 near the end of the year, which was a historical rush attack.

But if you are tired of such talks as this, don't click on threads which are clearly labeled with the intent to talk about it. If you are so tired of it....you would think you would simply not read a clearly labeled thread some poster not named me started about it

[mav1234]

we waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overspent on runningbacks.

 

but that isn't gonna happen with g-man I don't think.  end of story.

[Ruff]

You are the one that makes everything about poor halfback contracts and keeps beating the same dead horse over and over.

The rest of us are talking about having a good running game and having a balanced attack which has served us very well this year. Something a lot of other teams wish they had. As for whether Stacy is how we should go, that would be great in hindsight if we can know before hand who is going to pan out and who isn't.

This thread isn't specifically about Zac Stacy. It's players like (thus, Stacy is AN EXAMPLE OF) him that show how truly bad those contacts are.

I'm very happy with our run game's production. But, are you telling me that a player like Stacy wouldn't have the same sort of stats DWill has right now, minus the massive contract bonus?

I think it's also a telling sign of how far we've come in just a year from Hurney to Gettleman. I have faith Gettleman will fix the problem (because we all agree the cap space those guys are eating up is a problem) and get to the daylight at the end of the tunnel.

[panthers55]

I didn't start this thread...I have maybe 3 posts in it.

You want to start a thread about how good our collective rush attack is.....do it. I'm on board bc if the discussion is just how good it is.....I think it is great.

If we get a healthy 28 back I think we can be better than 2011 near the end of the year, which was a historical rush attack.

But if you are tired of such talks as this, don't click on threads which are clearly labeled with the intent to talk about it. If you are so tired of it....you would think you would simply not read a clearly labeled thread some poster not named me started about it

You have more than that going back and forth with me.  Did you fail math or what??

[Kelp]

Running backs are like gum. You chew em up and once they run out of a flavor you spit em out and get a new piece.

[CRA]

You have more than that going back and forth with me. Did you fail math or what??

Yeah, I don't even know what this post means....

yes, I have started posts about this topic before.....not sure what that has to do with anything discussed right now. Don't read and participate in these threads then. Start one on something else then. The topic here was clear.

Start a thread on how good of a rush attack we have had since Newton arrived, or our ball control currently, or on 3rd down......but don't complain that people are discussing topics in a clearly labeled thread. Clearly I am not alone in my thoughts on it.....which is why it was 6 pages deep before I entered it.

[panthers55]

This thread isn't specifically about Zac Stacy. It's players like (thus, Stacy is AN EXAMPLE OF) him that show how truly bad those contacts are.

I'm very happy with our run game's production. But, are you telling me that a player like Stacy wouldn't have the same sort of stats DWill has right now, minus the massive contract bonus?

I think it's also a telling sign of how far we've come in just a year from Hurney to Gettleman. I have faith Gettleman will fix the problem (because we all agree the cap space those guys are eating up is a problem) and get to the daylight at the end of the tunnel.

People keep forgetting why we made the Williams and Johnson contracts to begin with.  Of course we overpaid.  That is what happens when you have one of the worse teams in NFL history, go 2-14, have your owner gut the team of all your veterans and have a new staff and quarterback which you don't know how they will do.  I don't think anyone thought they were good contracts simply what they felt they had to do to keep fans from revolting.  Gettleman inherited a team that was worlds better than the one Hurney had  in 2010. Sure he has done a good job but lets be real, he had a lot of talent here and didn't have to do what many new GMs have to do which is start  from scratch.

[panthers55]

Yeah, I don't even know what this post means....

 

So reading comprehension was a problem too. Good job on getting through it and making something of yourself.