(Edited) Rivera is only under contract through next year

[KendrickPanther]

I get your point. But coaches get fired for going 10-6.

Nobody said anything about Ron quitting.  He would coach out his contract.  But if he doesn't have compensation guaranteed at the end of that contract anyone would be worrying more about how he is going to get paid next.  Therefore, he is going to be concentrating more on employment somewhere than doing his current job.  John Fox's last year was more about him securing a future job as a head coach or DC than it was about the Carolina Panthers.  Why would you be committed to a franchise that wasn't committed to you? 

 

I was talking about if we go 9-7 or 10-6.  With our schedule, I would rank that as a bit higher than mediocre. 

 

No one said anything about quitting over an extension.  But if we won 10 games and we didn't extend him, than no, not every coach would want take his job.

 

Why would I want to coach at a place that fires a coach or doesn't commit to a coach that took a 2-14 team to a 10-6 team in just 3 years?

 

Sure some coordinator would take the job.  But we didn't extend Fox after 2008 (which is what caused the riff between he and JR), if we don't extend Rivera and we win 10 games, every coach will mention that the Panthers are cheap and don't take care of their coaches when they succeed when they talk to other coaches.  And I imagine that would make it much tougher to get the better coaches who would wait for a gig that had a better front office.

 

Maybe you think that is dumb, but that is the way it works in the coaching community.  They all talk, and when the Panthers start calling potential head coaches, those candidates are going to call John Fox and Ron Rivera first.

 

[KendrickPanther]

Ron has been pretty good at the Xs and Os. I never felt like our defense was completely exposed. Even against team like the Broncos we gave up points to their defense and special teams. I would really miss him from that perspective. But man is it painful when he calls a timeout to get the other teams field goal unit on the field. Or when he gives the other team the ball back and plays prevent with a 1 point lead. We have had some losses that make you go bald in your 20s.

[teeray]

I get your point. But coaches get fired for going 10-6.

 

Rarely, but yes sometimes they do.  But I don't know this for sure, but I am willing to bet that it has never happened to a coach if their team was 2-14 when they took over and went 10-6 in year three.

[csx]

I get your point. But coaches get fired for going 10-6.

 

Coaches getting fired after going 10-6 is different than coaches getting fired FOR going 10-6. 

 

If this team goes 10-6 and doesn't make the playoffs I see no logical reason for Rivera to be fired. None.

[teeray]

If some of you guys are convinced that a coach would be a head coach with no financial security, and would be happy to just accept that, then answer this:  Why don't we just offer every head coaching candidate a 1 year contract?  Just let him earn the privilege of coaching the Carolina Panthers next season EVERY season?  Why even offer 4 years up front?  What did they do to deserve 4 years before they were even a head coach?

 

 

[Jackofalltrades]

9-7 is enough for me. The first winning season since '08 should be enough to give him a chance for back to back winning seasons.

[teeray]

My point is this, when the season is over we need to make a decision.  Is this the guy we want coaching our team?

 

If the answer is yes, we need to extend him.  if the answer is no, then we need to fire him.  The idea of letting him sit on the last year to prove himself is not a good idea.  Either commit to the guy and say he is our guy, or fire him and get the guy that you think is your guy.

 

My personal belief is that if we win 10 games, even if we don't make the playoffs, you extend him.  If he is 8-8 or worse, you likely fire him.  9-7 is kinda limbo, could go either way.

 

 

[Khaki Lackey]

If some of you guys are convinced that a coach would be a head coach with no financial security, and would be happy to just accept that, then answer this:  Why don't we just offer every head coaching candidate a 1 year contract?  Just let him earn the privilege of coaching the Carolina Panthers next season EVERY season?  Why even offer 4 years up front?  What did they do to deserve 4 years before they were even a head coach?

We did offer him four years. You keep implying that it's a huge insult not to extend him after this season. There's absolutely nothing wrong with letting him work out his contract knowing that he will get and extension if the results next year warrant it. 

[teeray]

We did offer him four years. You keep implying that it's a huge insult not to extend him after this season. There's absolutely nothing wrong with letting him work out his contract knowing that he will get and extension if the results next year warrant it.

It is an insult. It shows a complete lack of commitment and/or faith.

John Fox had two years left on his deal, and he pretty much quit talking to JR and Hurney after they refused to give him an extension after winning the NFC South in 2008.

If he is the guy you extend him, if he isn't you fire him. Otherwise, all the assistants and Ron are desperately trying to find employment for the next year instead of focusing on the Panthers

What about the coordinators. Every one of them will be trying to jump ship to a more stable situation. At the very least they will be spending more time looking for next season's job instead of focusing on the Panthers.

It is just a terrible idea that sends an even worse message. Need proof? Just look at 2010.

[Sawyerballer]

The players respect him and play for him. He seems to be learning the nuances of being the head coach. 10-6 and extend him. Imagine the loss of morale if he Is let go.

[Khaki Lackey]

It is an insult. It shows a complete lack of commitment and/or faith.

John Fox had two years left on his deal, and he pretty much quit talking to JR and Hurney after they refused to give him an extension after winning the NFC South in 2008.

If he is the guy you extend him, if he isn't you fire him. Otherwise, all the assistants and Ron are desperately trying to find employment for the next year instead of focusing on the Panthers

What about the coordinators. Every one of them will be trying to jump ship to a more stable situation. At the very least they will be spending more time looking for next season's job instead of focusing on the Panthers.

It is just a terrible idea that sends an even worse message. Need proof? Just look at 2010.

Agree to disagree. You're a good poster and i'm not trying to be intentionally contrary. I just think that Ron is on the hot seat and going from 'should've been fired' to 'extended' is too big of a leap if we don't make the playoffs. I think 10-6 earns another year, not an extension.

If he and his coaching staff have one year to earn an extension, and they spend that year looking for jobs elsewhere instead of trying to win, then I don't think they should be coaching at this level.

[scarface]

He doesn't deserve an extension at this point but he definitely doesn't deserve to be let go either. Sooooo many fans blame things on him but alot of the games we've lost were because of the players blowing it (i.e. Falcons, Bills, Seahawks, etc.) and not the coaching. He inherited a horrible team and he's improved them each year. With a good GM now and another strong draft and free agency next year this team should be at or near the top of the NFC.

[IGSaint]

He doesn't deserve an extension at this point but he definitely doesn't deserve to be let go either. Sooooo many fans blame things on him but alot of the games we've lost were because of the players blowing it (i.e. Falcons, Bills, Seahawks, etc.) and not the coaching. He inherited a horrible team and he's improved them each year. With a good GM now and another strong draft and free agency next year this team should be at or near the top of the NFC.

 

The bills lost was because of players blowing it AND bad coaching from rivera. If we go for it on 4th and 1 we probably get the first down and win the game, or if we actually play for a touchdown in the 4th quarter instead of playing for a field goal maybe we win too. What I'm saying here is that coaching lost us the bills game as much as the players did.

[2jakefansinva]

well it looks like November 2013 is the month for all the Rivera haters.

 

if we come out of it 4-0 or 3-1............you better get used to Coach Rivera.